ESF Release Schedule - Important

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Games aren't fun when you are only dying.

The fun comes from playing and winning meeting a challenge. Even winning without challenge is boring

If it's all about graphics why do I still enjoy

Populous

Diablo 2

Dungeon Keeper

 

[hleV]

People play a game because it is fun, not just because it looks pretteh! Good gameplay never ages. See Counter-Strike.

Pros can easily win 10-0 against noobs in CS.

Stop calling new players noobs, nub.

You obviously don't know what "noob" means, then.

Taking advantages of non-intended gameplay functions does not make one a "pro". Ability usage should determine who is the better player, not internal knowledge.

While the guy in his story did abuse the bugs, another pro wouldn't even need that to own a noob just as much, so your argument is invalid.

So for playing a game, he has to break his head a thousand different ways just to get some amount of fun out of it? Yeah, that is exactly why we play games in the first place. `Games. Are. For. Fun. You don't need to sacrifice your sanity to get that.

I wouldn't find it fun if I spent a lot of time trying to master the game and some player who's much worse than me manages to kill me because the game is designed that way.

There are no noobs, only people who haven't yet gotten good at the game and those who have.

Again, you apparently don't know what "noob" means.

 

[Z Power]

Pros can easily win 10-0 against noobs in CS.

1. In that case the "pro" has played enough CS to put a WoWer to shame. He then wins because of the skills he's developed playing the game. Which is my entire point.

You obviously don't know what "noob" means, then.

2. "Noob" means nothing. I don't use that word because it is entirely pointless and unnecessary. The word it is derived from, Newbie, works well enough.

While the guy in his story did abuse the bugs, another pro wouldn't even need that to own a noob just as much, so your argument is invalid.

3. See point 1.

I wouldn't find it fun if I spent a lot of time trying to master the game and some player who's much worse than me manages to kill me because the game is designed that way.

4. What are you even talking about? So far games like Battlefield 3 and COD are only games that would fit your description, because of how damn hectic and chaotic it can be. You can't design a game with low number of players to be that random.

Again, you apparently don't know what "noob" means.

5. See Point 3.

 

[Prozac]

/me smacks hlev

 

[Grega]

Hlev i have fun in ESF when im facing an opponent who doesnt run+angle. But aside from that i dont care what skill level he is. If hes better than me, thats fine, if hes worse, then ill play worse.

The thing with ESF in europe is that its pretty ****ed up. Allowed exploits and so forth. Thats just not fun anymore. Thats the main reason why i stopped playing.

 

[pumadace2000]

Hlev i have fun in ESF when im facing an opponent who doesnt run+angle. But aside from that i dont care what skill level he is. If hes better than me, thats fine, if hes worse, then ill play worse.

The thing with ESF in europe is that its pretty ****ed up. Allowed exploits and so forth. Thats just not fun anymore. Thats the main reason why i stopped playing.

And that is the main reason why a new melee has been created and is currently in development right? So yeah as conservative as one might be let's face it: a change is much needed and as I've seen from the melee trailer this new melee holds a lot of promises.

 

[Sting]

The **** do I care about postcount? Lmao get your facts straight I have seen these guys in action.. I know the players that quit ESF long ago can't be compared to the ones playing in 2007-8 when people took it to extremes. If the poll results or posts don't matter why is the thread still opened then? If you don't give a **** you don't need this opened. Nevertheless I think the thread, as you said, might be open to hear out what people say .. meaning the poll results aren't completely ignored.




Now if you read my post you would understand that I said we have waited long enough, so if you release then release it properly .. in other words "take your time and finish it"

Well I read the first couple of pages, where they said it would be good with a bugfixer patch. So I took what I had in my artillery and threw it out here.

The reason why we even have players today in 1.2.3b is because of the hard melee system we have. Make sure it isn't super noobfriendly .. maybe a bit easier than 1.2.3b ... but I don't want to see that a guy who just started being able to get 2-10 on a guy who played intensively for a year because something made it too friendly for him. If you ask the remaining ESF players today.. THAT ACTUALLY PLAY you will see that the majority will without a doubt agree ... people on the forum can talk all they want.. but they ain't even playing.

Well shadi its like you said.
You have seen them in action and never seen us in action.
What makes you judge us of what we are?

I have seen nothing from the old school beta testers but doesnt mean that I know where to look for it.
Then you also should trust the in-team judges to pick out the people as beta testers.

As far I know there hasnt be a game that was totaly bug free.
Thats why they come up with patches.
The whole team try to make a release that has almost to non bugs.
I have a good trust in the whole team and think the team self as well.
Question for you remain is why dont you have trust in the team??

 

[hleV]

1. In that case the "pro" has played enough CS to put a WoWer to shame. He then wins because of the skills he's developed playing the game. Which is my entire point.

I don't get your point at all, in that case.

"Noob" means nothing. I don't use that word because it is entirely pointless and unnecessary. The word it is derived from, Newbie, works well enough.

Noob means newbie. Your reasoning for not using that word is silly.

4. What are you even talking about? So far games like Battlefield 3 and COD are only games that would fit your description, because of how damn hectic and chaotic it can be. You can't design a game with low number of players to be that random.

No, what are you even talking about?

The thing with ESF in europe is that its pretty ****ed up. Allowed exploits and so forth. Thats just not fun anymore. Thats the main reason why i stopped playing.

I agree. A few years ago I tried to enforce the "Lithuanian rules" which didn't allow all that crap, but EU rules have been there for too long for me to make a difference.

 

[Hurracane]

II. Defining 'Noob'
Contrary to the belief of many, a noob/n00b and a newbie/newb are not the same thing. Newbs are those who are new to some task* and are very beginner at it, possibly a little overconfident about it, but they are willing to learn and fix their errors to move out of that stage. n00bs, on the other hand, know little and have no will to learn any more. They expect people to do the work for them and then expect to get praised about it, and make up a unique species of their own. It is the latter we will study in this guide so that the reader is prepared to encounter them in the wild if needed.

What makes you think your vsing 'noobs' hleV?

Sure I get angry when I killed by a so-called pro, and I probably rage-quit more than anyone else, but I often find ways to be beat someone else later on down the track.

 

[Raven]

Could u guys get back on topic which is the poll or create a seperate gameplay /melee discussion / suggestion thread, thx. I wonder why the mods didn't step in yet.

 

[pumadace2000]

Could u guys get back on topic which is the poll or create a seperate gameplay /melee discussion / suggestion thread, thx. I wonder why the mods didn't step in yet.

Don't take this the wrong way but how could someone create a thread with suggestions for a melee/gameplay thingy if that melee/gameplay thingy hasn't been released or shown properly to the public yet? Isn't that for you guys to create it if you(the devs) are ready to show it to us, so that people might express the concerns and opinions they have about it? Because that's what basically happened here. I mean yeah we could make wild assumptions of what it might be, but since it's being worked on now wouldn't it mean a waste of time to take feedback from the users now?

Back on topic congratulations for the supporters of option 1. You have won this poll

 

[dbzrogue]

Don't take this the wrong way but how could someone create a thread with suggestions for a melee/gameplay thingy if that melee/gameplay thingy hasn't been released or shown properly to the public yet? Isn't that for you guys to create it if you(the devs) are ready to show it to us, so that people might express the concerns and opinions they have about it? Because that's what basically happened here. I mean yeah we could make wild assumptions of what it might be, but since it's being worked on now wouldn't it mean a waste of time to take feedback from the users now?

Back on topic congratulations for the supporters of option 1. You have won this poll

...Forgive me if I misunderstood this, but hasn't the melee already been shown? There was a tutorial video for it. In fact its been more than a year since it was shown.
http://esforces.com/news/47/51/Melee-Combat-Guide-Video.html

 

[pumadace2000]

...Forgive me if I misunderstood this, but hasn't the melee already been shown? There was a tutorial video for it. In fact its been more than a year since it was shown.
http://esforces.com/news/47/51/Melee-Combat-Guide-Video.html

You mean the one that only shows how the animations work for Vegeta and Ginyu? Most of them being incomplete, including the smash grab and tier 2 of the bonus melee?(hell Ginyu didn't even have these in the video he only had a special grab)

It may be a tutorial but I know nothing about how, Frieza, Cell, Krillin, the rest of the Ginyu Force, Gohan and Buu work and if they work the same I have no Idea how they look, what each of them will do during the different tiers of the bonus melee how their throws will look, how the smash grabs will look, how they will look when someone does a throw or a certain move on them. So again can I go on a thread an make wild suggestions about characters I don't even know how they are going to work or how their melee is gonna look? I could be making those kind of suggestions too keep the entire dev team all day and all night awake or till they will decide to bann me from the thread.

Also there really is no point for a suggestion thread like that since I'm assuming doing these animations takes a lot of time, which will mean that unless the game will be delayed for another year or 2 maybe even more the team won't consider suggestions anyway.

 

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On Topic please

 

[pumadace2000]

On Topic please

Well I was a post ago

Back on topic congratulations for the supporters of option 1. You have won this poll

Bump.

 

[Deverz]

You mean the one that only shows how the animations work for Vegeta and Ginyu? Most of them being incomplete, including the smash grab and tier 2 of the bonus melee?(hell Ginyu didn't even have these in the video he only had a special grab)

It may be a tutorial but I know nothing about how, Frieza, Cell, Krillin, the rest of the Ginyu Force, Gohan and Buu work and if they work the same I have no Idea how they look, what each of them will do during the different tiers of the bonus melee how their throws will look, how the smash grabs will look, how they will look when someone does a throw or a certain move on them. So again can I go on a thread an make wild suggestions about characters I don't even know how they are going to work or how their melee is gonna look? I could be making those kind of suggestions too keep the entire dev team all day and all night awake or till they will decide to bann me from the thread.

Also there really is no point for a suggestion thread like that since I'm assuming doing these animations takes a lot of time, which will mean that unless the game will be delayed for another year or 2 maybe even more the team won't consider suggestions anyway.

That has nothing to do with the subject

Don't argue unless you're right

 

[Shadi]

@Grega ... thanks now I don't need to lose a toe because of this guy that didn't get the point of this thread in the first place despite having read all 62 pages lololol

@pumadace2000

Wtf are you on about? It's as hleV said .. you fought a guy equal to you and you got your ass kicked by a pro.. been there done that. You don't need to scrutinise it into every single detail we don't necessarily need to know about that lol... we don't need to know if you compared it to super freiza level or wtf you said. I know for a fact that the players that are good today have gotten their asses kicked, over and over and over and over again in order to reach where they are... Heck take a guy like Montross for instance.. he's still getting owned by every single soul out there... he ENJOYS it ... he's not being whiny now is he? He wants to become better but over and over again he realises that he either lacks time or motivation or one to spar with.

Take counter-strike for instance... a lot of players are pros and get their asses kicked very often there.. 20-0 (I get my ass kicked there a lot yet I still have approx 1700 hours of getting my ass kicked in the game..) I enjoy a fight I lose more than I enjoy a fight I win.. so speak for yourself and stop being so damn inductive and spew out your introverted thoughts thanks. No one forces you to play a pro.. you can do your precious beam struggle in your own servers.. and once you're ready for the next step you're welcome to start taking simple melee to yet another level. It's like that in every game.. only difference is that you meet the pros easier here because we are a small community.
And aww poor you, do your poor pinky hurt? Throw it in my carebox lol... my fingers hurt too now after a couple of duels but when I played daily I could take 10 duels .. it's about getting accustomed.

I think hleV is partially right .. some people will storm the game because of graphics etc. I actually think if ESF was sold separately and not as a mod for HL 1 it would have more copies sold lmao... it's troublesome to find out how to install a mod and people don't think of it so much anymore.
Again Puma I honestly appreciate your opinion but I think the team is forgetting ESF and its values through the years... We have people that have spent several thousands of hours on ESF... as hleV said we want people to listen to our opinions as players that have played loyally for years in a game that's about to die...

I love every ESF player out there, even if they are douches... just the fact that they play or support ESF up until today is impressive!

Edit: I missed a page lol

@Sting

I trust the ones I have seen being capable of taking things to the extreme in the current version.. I believe the players that will play 1.3 when it's out will surpass the testers by a great amount.. it happened in 1.1 and it happened in 1.2 as well (Making Ren an exception, but I did mention him)

@Raven

No offence dude.. but I think discussing how hard the game is supposed to be is a part of how much you need to focus on the gameplay... it might be very indirect but it leans towards your answer and I think this is an interesting discussion ... there are a lot of people being submissive so I wanna talk for the people that aren't good at English or don't wanna join the forums and give out opinions from people that actually play ... and not just here on the forums for whatever reason... I know it's the team's decision but as a team that maybe wants a bunch of players, that's your goal correct? You would want the people that already know, love and experience ESF to share the game to more people in the future.. amrite? You need some starting players.. getting people to play a mod for HL1 for more than a week is difficult enough in the first place...

 

[pumadace2000]

Wtf are you on about? It's as hleV said .. you fought a guy equal to you and you got your ass kicked by a pro.. been there done that. You don't need to scrutinise it into every single detail we don't necessarily need to know about that lol... we don't need to know if you compared it to super freiza level or wtf you said. I know for a fact that the players that are good today have gotten their asses kicked, over and over and over and over again in order to reach where they are... Heck take a guy like Montross for instance.. he's still getting owned by every single soul out there... he ENJOYS it ... he's not being whiny now is he? He wants to become better but over and over again he realises that he either lacks time or motivation or one to spar with.

Take counter-strike for instance... a lot of players are pros and get their asses kicked very often there.. 20-0 (I get my ass kicked there a lot yet I still have approx 1700 hours of getting my ass kicked in the game..) I enjoy a fight I lose more than I enjoy a fight I win.. so speak for yourself and stop being so damn inductive and spew out your introverted thoughts thanks. No one forces you to play a pro.. you can do your precious beam struggle in your own servers.. and once you're ready for the next step you're welcome to start taking simple melee to yet another level. It's like that in every game.. only difference is that you meet the pros easier here because we are a small community.
And aww poor you, do your poor pinky hurt? Throw it in my carebox lol... my fingers hurt too now after a couple of duels but when I played daily I could take 10 duels .. it's about getting accustomed.

I think hleV is partially right .. some people will storm the game because of graphics etc. I actually think if ESF was sold separately and not as a mod for HL 1 it would have more copies sold lmao... it's troublesome to find out how to install a mod and people don't think of it so much anymore.
Again Puma I honestly appreciate your opinion but I think the team is forgetting ESF and its values through the years... We have people that have spent several thousands of hours on ESF... as hleV said we want people to listen to our opinions as players that have played loyally for years in a game that's about to die...

Wow there are so many things you got wrong, or you understood the way you wanted them to be understood, so that you can make a point regarding the use of to many detailed examples about why this games melee is broken and needs fixing and a chance to offer accesibility(I'm too tired to correct that word) to newer or casual players. If I feel like it I'm probably gonna waste my time sending you a PM to clarify if it would actually mean something... yah fat chance.

But as I said before typical pro is typical, predictable, and over-protective of his/her territory.

I'll just say something about the last part here, seems maybe on-topic... ok maybe not but still. "cough" Here goes: Wawawaaa esf + sold? What are you actually on about with it being sold as a game? And it would have more copies sold then what? Half-Life?* Waaaaa... is it me here understanding something wrong from you as well? Clarify please

* a wait I got it now ESF would have more copies sold if it wasn't free.... aaa ....eee wait that makes even less sense, what was that? I'm not gonna be able to sleep well tonight apparently.

 

[Deverz]

This thread isn't about melee or pros vs noobs. Its about the release schedule of esf.

On topic or thread bans happen, last warning.

Make a new thread if you want to continue.

Pumadace: not even worth the effort it took to type that poor excuse for an ontopic comment

 

[Denz]

ban me deverz, I am a naughty boy