2012 US election thread - keep it civil

[DaRkOwNs]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pres...office-promises/story?id=9596256#.UH_vxFF2KL0

Well, I don't really trust news sites but they summed up pretty well his first year in office. For the most part I agree with you, he did sweep alot of important concerns under the rug, but "fixing" the economy is not a four year issue. Nor do I think it's an 8 year issue. I don't think either Obama or Romney will be able to fix something that's largely due to a lack of recycling currency, though I kinda congratulate him on lowering the unemployment.

Mostly what I'm trying to say is there's a very low chance that either of them will be able to do jack shit. A -good- plan is to lower spending in key area's, cut some incredibly high paychecks in government, tax those that can actually afford to be taxed, and possibly (temporarily) close some non-critical government funded programs. Though, I disagree with the last option but I'm not an economist so I'll just leave that one up to the paper.

I'll be first to say I really don't care much about politics, but I'm not naive enough to believe that Obama, or Romney if he wins, will always hold all the cards just because they're president. Our government is checks and balances, so it's not just the president that we have to worry about. In the end, most of those *******s with a seat of power just care about their own wallets.

 

[DiebytheSword]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pres...office-promises/story?id=9596256#.UH_vxFF2KL0

Well, I don't really trust news sites but they summed up pretty well his first year in office. For the most part I agree with you, he did sweep alot of important concerns under the rug, but "fixing" the economy is not a four year issue. Nor do I think it's an 8 year issue. I don't think either Obama or Romney will be able to fix something that's largely due to a lack of recycling currency, though I kinda congratulate him on lowering the unemployment.

Mostly what I'm trying to say is there's a very low chance that either of them will be able to do jack shit. A -good- plan is to lower spending in key area's, cut some incredibly high paychecks in government, tax those that can actually afford to be taxed, and possibly (temporarily) close some non-critical government funded programs. Though, I disagree with the last option but I'm not an economist so I'll just leave that one up to the paper.

I'll be first to say I really don't care much about politics, but I'm not naive enough to believe that Obama, or Romney if he wins, will always hold all the cards just because they're president. Our government is checks and balances, so it's not just the president that we have to worry about. In the end, most of those *******s with a seat of power just care about their own wallets.

Just because it can't be fixed in four, or eight (and I actually agree here, key underpinned problems need many presidential cycles to fix), does not mean a fix should not be attempted at all. Obama has not tried to do anything but weaken the dollar by spending money he never had.

 

[sub]

Neither of them are going to do anything to improve the debt situation.

edit: I feel like if we're going to have a political thread to talk about the election in general, it should have a more neutral title / theme.

 

[DiebytheSword]

Neither of them are going to do anything to improve the debt situation.

edit: I feel like if we're going to have a political thread to talk about the election in general, it should have a more neutral title / theme.

While I generally agree with you on that one, I should point out that one of them has a track record of spending more money then every president ever. That certainly isn't helping the situation.

 

[AreiKu]

But to fix problems you need to spend money. Let's not forget a lot of that money was spent cleaning up Bush's mess. If you want to run for president you need two things: status, and money. That means you need to have gone to a great University and have a lot of money to even be considered for candidacy. My point is that some of the people who would actually make the best leaders just don't have an equal opportunity to launch a campaign. It's not about leadership as much as it is about who delivers the most elaborate presentation.

On another note, I agree with Sub, a thread with a neutral title seems more appropriate for the direction this thread seems to be heading!

 

[Almighty_Gir]

i think your presidential election is almost going to mirror the stuff going on over here in england...

we had:
Labour party in government for 8 years -they spent a shit ton of money, they gave us something around £148 billion deficit.
they also sold all of our gold reserves, at a time when gold prices were at their CHEAPEST in history.

we now have:
Conservative party, making cuts left right and center, trying to get the deficit down. problem is, that's not working.

Labour party keep saying what Romney is saying "your way isn't working, my way is better... but i won't tell you what it is exactly". and everyone is eating it up.

 

[DiebytheSword]

i think your presidential election is almost going to mirror the stuff going on over here in england...

we had:
Labour party in government for 8 years -they spent a shit ton of money, they gave us something around £148 billion deficit.
they also sold all of our gold reserves, at a time when gold prices were at their CHEAPEST in history.

we now have:
Conservative party, making cuts left right and center, trying to get the deficit down. problem is, that's not working.

Labour party keep saying what Romney is saying "your way isn't working, my way is better... but i won't tell you what it is exactly". and everyone is eating it up.

So when your bills are out of control under your roof you spend more money to get that deficit down? How does that work out for you? Numbers don't lie, spending ass tons of cash does not fix a cash shortage, and that's just my first problem on Obama's presidency.

 

[Almighty_Gir]

i never said Obama is the right choice here. but i think Romney is the wrong choice.

but hey man, from what i've seen as an outside observer, your entire election system is completely ****ed from the ground up... so you're basically choosing between two *******s and hoping one doesn't stink more than the other.

 

[AreiKu]

Exactly Gir, metaphorically speaking, you're just voting for your favorite character in a sitcom, but the same writers are running the show. You're voting for store manager, but head office still gives the orders. "Head office" is the wealthy. The government always serves the wealthy from the blood and sweat of the poor. Let's see someone like Dr. Cornel West run the country. Let's see elections between the wisest men in society, not the wealthiest.

 

[DiebytheSword]

Exactly Gir, metaphorically speaking, you're just voting for your favorite character in a sitcom, but the same writers are running the show. You're voting for store manager, but head office still gives the orders. "Head office" is the wealthy. The government always serves the wealthy from the blood and sweat of the poor. Let's see someone like Dr. Cornel West run the country. Let's see elections between the wisest men in society, not the wealthiest.

Oh dear god no. Not everyone agrees with Cornel West as wise, let alone wisest. I don't appreciate his philosophies, and would never appreciate him in the captain's chair, but to be clear, he is welcome to try.

 

[AreiKu]

What about Dr. West's philosophies do you disagree with so hard?

 

[Deathshot]

I personally don't agree with either of the party's choice in this case. Neither of them make me feel like I want to vote for them. 4 years ago I didn't vote because I already knew the outcome of the vote.

 

[Deman]

I personally don't agree with either of the party's choice in this case. Neither of them make me feel like I want to vote for them. 4 years ago I didn't vote because I already knew the outcome of the vote.

If only the rest of our demographic didn't feel this way too. In 2008 we had a 49% turnout while people 65+ had a 70% turnout. Those attack ads that are either irrelevant to platform or straight up nonsensical aren't aimed at us. If we want to be listened to, we have to start voting now or wait 4 decades.

 

[Deathshot]

If only the rest of our demographic didn't feel this way too. In 2008 we had a 49% turnout while people 65+ had a 70% turnout. Those attack ads that are either irrelevant to platform or straight up nonsensical aren't aimed at us. If we want to be listened to, we have to start voting now or wait 4 decades.

It's kinda hard to vote when you know neither of them will live up to what they say anymore. Now if Hilary runs for the next campaign, I may just vote for her, depending on who else is running.

 

[Deman]

It's kinda hard to vote when you know neither of them will live up to what they say anymore. Now if Hilary runs for the next campaign, I may just vote for her, depending on who else is running.

We have the numbers to scare them with third party candidates. We could also do a hell of a lot better on local and especially state elections since that is where the other 75% of our problems come from. We're a generation that could theoretically be much more politically informed and active thanks to how quickly we pick up new tech.

For all my complaining I don't really have anything constructive on how we can deal with general apathy other than take away everyone's pacifiers.

 

[Deathshot]

We have the numbers to scare them with third party candidates. We could also do a hell of a lot better on local and especially state elections since that is where the other 75% of our problems come from. We're a generation that could theoretically be much more politically informed and active thanks to how quickly we pick up new tech.

For all my complaining I don't really have anything constructive on how we can deal with general apathy other than take away everyone's pacifiers.

Believe me, I really wish I had more people around me to talk politics. It's just me and one other friend I have here that actually watches debates or anything like that. This generation just doesn't care about anything constructive really.

 

[morbidgrace]

Well as I see it Mitt Romney is no where near fit for President. He was born into Money and doesn't understand what real work is. His father on the other hand was a man who worked his ass off.

Don't take me as an Obama supporter either. He is an air head as well. He can talk a mean game but can't back it up.

Do you even know what A politician's job is Deathshot? Especially in regards to Barry, which you seem to know absolutely nothing about, and is likely about five hundred thousand times more intelligent then yourself. If you find my question offensive, I would point out that your statement is offensive and insulting in the first place, so don't be a hypocrite?


ALSO elections are predetermined and always have been. If you disagree then you're in the dark on what the function of politics really is.

The president does what the money lets him/ wants him to, wake up bud. And even then it has to go through a hell of a lot of legislation, and even then all the fed can do is change Federal laws, never, ever State legislation... So yeah you're brilliant dude you know all about politics and how someone you've never met and know jack of shit about is air-headed, even though he's obviously rather brilliant, as he holds the highest office in the entire ******* world, dude. U smart.

For real none of you even know what you're yammering about, anyone here even pass College level government 1 or 2? No, no none of you have so why even discuss such a thing? Go get educated, it'd be a much more productive activity.

Excuse me, Deman actually seems to have a clue. He likely went to college.


User thread banned for this post . . . keep it civil.

 

[Baaja]

Believe me, I really wish I had more people around me to talk politics. It's just me and one other friend I have here that actually watches debates or anything like that. This generation just doesn't care about anything constructive really.

Do you even know what A politician's job is Deathshot? Especially in regards to Barry, which you seem to know absolutely nothing about, and is likely about five hundred thousand times more intelligent then yourself.

So yeah you're brilliant dude you know all about politics and how someone you've never met and know jack of shit about is air-headed, even though he's obviously rather brilliant, as he holds the highest office in the entire ******* world, dude. U smart.

For real none of you even know what you're yammering about, anyone here even pass College level government 1 or 2? No, no none of you have so why even discuss such a thing? Go get educated, it'd be a much more productive activity.

WTF - that escalated quickly.

I don't know jack shit about US politics, but you seem to waltz in and think you will pwn this entire thread, when you are just making yourself look like a narrow-minded person with an illusory superiority complex.

Be civil.

 

[AreiKu]

Morbidgrace, if you actually know what you're talking about, why don't you take part in the conversation instead of trying to shoot down Deathshot's opinion?

Everyone has the right to express their political view. Now I didn't go to college, and I don't know much about politics, but having discussions about them and hearing what people have to say is the only way I'm gonna broaden my understanding. I didn't learn anything from your post except that you think anyone who didn't go to college is an idiot. If you perceive yourself being enlightened on these matters, isn't it your responsibility to share that knowledge with people who seem misinformed? Or are you content with using your educational status to oppress those you perceive to be beneath you?

You're looking down on people due to their educational status, without taking the responsibility to contribute to their lack of knowledge, and that's a perfect example of the problem with politics. Only the opinion of the privileged, and formally educated matters, people like me are ignored and oppressed by people who have the same attitude you just expressed.

 

[DiebytheSword]

Do you even know what A politician's job is Deathshot? Especially in regards to Barry, which you seem to know absolutely nothing about, and is likely about five hundred thousand times more intelligent then yourself. If you find my question offensive, I would point out that your statement is offensive and insulting in the first place, so don't be a hypocrite?


ALSO elections are predetermined and always have been. If you disagree then you're in the dark on what the function of politics really is.

The president does what the money lets him/ wants him to, wake up bud. And even then it has to go through a hell of a lot of legislation, and even then all the fed can do is change Federal laws, never, ever State legislation... So yeah you're brilliant dude you know all about politics and how someone you've never met and know jack of shit about is air-headed, even though he's obviously rather brilliant, as he holds the highest office in the entire ******* world, dude. U smart.

For real none of you even know what you're yammering about, anyone here even pass College level government 1 or 2? No, no none of you have so why even discuss such a thing? Go get educated, it'd be a much more productive activity.

Excuse me, Deman actually seems to have a clue. He likely went to college.

For someone "well educated" as yourself, surely you must know that when an Admin (read, the real political power on this board) says keep it civil, and you don't, it will result in some sort of punitive action? Since I was not included in your list of people that have a clue, I'll assume that insult was levied at me as well.

Even if it wasn't, you are no longer welcome to contribute to the conversation.