ussj 2/ powerpump idea!!! sorta need some replies =)

[SupaFighta]

I had a theory about the USSJ power-up and previously I did not wish to state it as it was sketchy. My theory is the USSJ is basically powering up to SSJ3. All the user does is increase their power which is exactly what Goku did when he went SSJ3. So basically USSJ is an incomplete form of SSJ3. The hair grows much longer, power increases, muscles buldge, it sort of fits in for SSJ3. That is my belief as after Goku passed on to the after-life; he learned how to go SSJ3. This is when he was fighting Cell, which is after they discovered the USSJ. So it's my theory that Goku learned how to go SSJ3 from powering up to USSJ. Note that this is just my theory and can be changed or corrected.

 

[Ravendust]

I just re-'obtained' and rewatched those episodes, he powers up like four times, but this is all what I understood to be USSJ2.

The first grade of USSJ makes the subject faster than SSJ, but the transformation process takes a while from SSJ.

The second grade of USSJ (USSJ2) makes the subject slower than SSJ, but the subject can pump as much power as he desires, with the side effect of more muscular swell. This means USSJ2 ranges from reasonably slow, reasonably strong to extremely slow, extremely strong. There is a change in the USSJ and USSJ2 hair and aura, but with each powerup of USSJ2 there are no such physical changes aside from muscle swell.

This means the possibilities of USSJ2 are varied. When Cell goes USSJ2, his muscle swell is so ludicrously over the top that he can scarcely move, and Gohan slips between his punches because of their (lack of) speed. When Trunks goes USSJ2 he keeps pushing himself onward (his own words) because he's goaded by Cell ('show me some more of that power') until he's pushed USSJ2 to the point where he can no longer keep up with him. Cell demonstrates this fact to him and Trunks concedes and admits defeat.

With this in mind, I think the idea of this thread would work extremely well. I see you added a poll, so I voted yes :yes:

EDIT: Just realised I should've voted for the third option. Urgh. *bangs head*. USSJ should be faster and stronger, USSJ2 should be slower and stronger, but you can make it as strong/slow as you desire.

 

[Orbit]

I've voted for the idea and if you like what I said on post#2 I can suggest a way of combining the two ideas together (just for fun cuz there's no way the ESF team[or any other team for that matter] will consider having my idea implemented).
But there is no actual need for my idea if 1.3 has charged turbo (I think I heard about it somewhere)

 

[~Dark Trunks~]

thx for clearin that up for me ravendust. cus i was thinkin like wut the hell. theres a form after ussj2 cus at ussj2 cell and trunks were fast as **** like at one point theyd be somewhere then the next point theyd be gone.

but shouldnt ussj2 be faster then a ussj then anypoint after that wit him pumping up his muscles cause him to go down in speed or somthin like that. anyway doesnt matter tho ur idea puts mine to shame lol it does fit extremely well

edit: and orbit ur idea was pretty good too

 

[~Dark Trunks~]

oh and does anyone have a idea of wut pl's should be i wanna present this to the team or somthin or at least if one comes lookin at this topic they can kinda get an idea of wut we mean?

C&C plz dont let the thread die lol

 

[KidMan]

Sorry dude to harp on but don't double post, just edit the last one.

Powerlevels:
Trunks: 65,000
SSJ: 1 million
USSJ: 1,500,000
USSJ2: 2 million
Somthing like that might work

The speed of Trunks right nown is 180 normal and 250 when SSJ. The speed would have to change though. 180 in the starting sucks. I think it would have to be:
Trunks: 200
SSJ: 250
USSJ: 235
USSJ2: 210

Might I add the speed could be worked out better.

 

[~Dark Trunks~]

ok i was thinkin it out and i think i got some i doubt they are as good as they could be but at least they are somthin to work wit

Trunks:
Normal: LF 110 Speed 260 StartPL 0,65M
Super Saiyan: LF 130 Speed 310 TransPL 1,0M (x2) PerfPL 3,0M
Ultra Super Saiyan (grade 1): LF 150 Speed 330 TransPL 3,0M (x3) PerfPL 5,0M
Ultra Super Saiyan (grade 2): LF 170 Speed 350/ or back to 310 TransPL 6,0M (x3/x2) PerfPL 7/8,0M

now this is where i was thinkin that him bein faster would help out.

Ultra Super Saiyan (grade 2) at 25%: LF 170 Speed 330
Ultra Super Saiyan (grade 2) at 50%: LF 170 Speed 300
Ultra Super Saiyan (grade 2) at 75%: LF 170 Speed 270
Ultra Super Saiyan (grade 2) at 100%: LF 170 Speed 230

or somthin like that im jus tryna get a idea of pl's and everything but anyone else wanna give it a try? we can pick the best from everyones or at least narrow it down

 

[YoungGunz]

Pretty good idea trunks needs alot more speed. Giving both those forms seems like a good idea. But from what i saw in the eps he gets faster with both forms not just one

 

[~Dark Trunks~]

yup they are both forms that give speed and power but i didnt realize that till i watched the same 3 episodes 4 times in a row lol.

Anyone else wanan try wit these pl's i cant think of anymore lol

 

[Herms]

why dont you post most of our covo on msn that was a good idea

 

[~Dark Trunks~]

ok well i dont remember it fully but me and herms had a convo on msn bout these forms i looked at the episodes a couple of times to make sure of wut i thought and this is wut we somewhat agreed upon.

ok goin from normal to ssj is alot more but on esf is 2x the strentgh but in the show its like double strength and speed etc etc.

ok so form forms we came up wit is somthin like this

ssj x2 speed x2 power
ussj 3x speed 3x power
ussj2 3.8x speed 3.8x power
a fully bulked up ussj2 4x power 2.5x speed
a ssj2 4x power and 4x speed

now we all kno their power increases more then this but u see wut i mean about how powerful each one of those forms are etc etc.

trunks at ussj2 is neck and neck wit cell till cell pushes him on to power up more so in all realness him being ussj2 doesnt decrease his speed as i thought it did ussj and ussj 2 both made him faster and stronger the problem he did was kept increasing his muscles to gain more power thats wut slowed him down.

i hop some of u kno wut im talkin about and can understand wut i mean anyway c&c plz :laff:

 

[Herms]

thats basicly what I remember.
Except for the fact the the ussj is both a speed and power increse but in both forms it's a bigger power increse then speed increase somthing a little more like this is real:

ssj: 2x Speed, 2x Power
Ussj1: 2.5x Speed, 3x Power
Ussj2: 3x Speed 4x Power
when Trunks gets stupid and bulks up as a Ussj2: 2.5x Speed, 4x Power

in all technicality Ussj2 and a bulked up Ussj2 should be like 3.8x power and 3.9x power but it's esf and make it a bit more fair

now if there where to be both in esf

Ussj2: 3x Speed, 3.5x Power
Bulked Ussj2: 2.5x, Speed 4x Power

 

[Hobomaster]

it's not really slowing down in that sense, i think it's just that when trunks powered up, his speed decreases LESS than if it would if he weren't

so it would mean that the increase in his speed is not proportional to his increase in strength

 

[Herms]

thats exactly true for ussj1 and 2 but when he stupidly bulks up he speed goes down

proof speed goes up:

goku says he PROBABLY can't beat cell (meaning form is better but needs to ind a way to increse both speed and strength both equally so there is no weakness)

when trunks goes ussj2 he is able to hit cell for a while meaing there is an increse in speed that cell was unexpecting

 

[Ravendust]

The speed decrease is in his punching speed not his movement speed. Swoop speed should decrease a bit but I think only heavy (red arrow) punches in adv melee would suit the idea as well.

 

[~Dark Trunks~]

yea definately cus if u think about it hes even wit cell wen he first goes ussj 2. as a matter of fact he was winning until he started letting cell hit him. so there was definately a speed and power increase. but then he started gettin real bulky and keep pusing forward till his punches were to slow.

so if anything ussj and ussj 2 should give a power and speed increase but he should be able to pump up more after that for more raw power but wit the pumping up it kills speed. u kno wut i mean? so hed have for different levels of a ussj 2.

u could go 25%, 50% ,75%, or 100% speed going down more wit each level of it but power also rising. this way id it would give u some options of how far u wanna push it. some might make the choice to go higer and some might not but thats ur own choice. see wut i mean?

 

[YoungGunz]

Ahh now i see what you mean. So in a sense you want to make it so that trunks has more options making it somewhat fun to try to manage his speed and pl and at the same time. Sounds like it would be alot more challengeing.

This gives many options to how he can be used. You can add more pl if you wish with the sacrifice of speed of course. So you caa bulk up or bulk down determining on what kind of situation your in.

Great idea so that mean if u got him on the right kid of level for the person thats using him he can be a force to be reckoned with.

 

[TwisteR]

Hyuga Neji, you get a warning for double posting, mutiple times in this thread. You should know by now that its against the rules.

 

[~Dark Trunks~]

hod do i get a warning for this now wen i did this days ago? sorry about it but explain this to me

 

[YoungGunz]

The speed decrease is in his punching speed not his movement speed. Swoop speed should decrease a bit but I think only heavy (red arrow) punches in adv melee would suit the idea as well.

Ravendust you make a good point. It would nice to have him get forms that make his speed go up hes already slow as it is. And a ussj 2 is jus what he needs to be able to somewhat hold his own against a ssj3 goku. The red heavy punches got with the idea as well but explain what do u mean by that.

Do you mean that he can only do red melee punches or do you mean that they should move slower and be harder to hit someone with?