ussj 2/ powerpump idea!!! sorta need some replies =)

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well we lets agree to disagree. we think they are the same forms but jus different names in a sense.

think of it this way u think vegeta was super not ussj regardless of that super is still a transformation. and u think trunks went ussj thats a transformation too.

regardless of wut u would like to call them ussj,super,ussj2 they are all transformations.

if u want to put it in real terms trunks ussj or spuer was stroner then vegetas ussj/super then when he went ussj/ussj2 he was stronger then cell in brute force jus slower.

so in all sense regardless of how u would like to look at it they are transformations in a sense. cell said it to vegeta himself. "ur not vegeta!!! ur not. you've changed. you've become something else". and of course thats wen vegeta says hes super vegeta/ussj etc etc. u get the point.

jus the same wit trunks transformation about wut piccolo said. "this is unreal. trunks is going thorugh an amazing transformation. his power is now far greater then vegetas" .

those are both quoted from the episodes. they are obvious transformations. i could quote goku wen he goes those 2 forms but u get the point and im too lazy to anyway

edit: well it wouldnt be that complicated if u gave him the ability to pump up his muscles youd be able to mange how u would go about using it if u needed a lil more pl or somthin u could do that and pump up to get more of a power advantage but less of a speed advantage.

or ravendust idea u could go that form soon as u were able to go ussj.
 
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Herms said:
we are arguing a pointless thing if i understand this

you: ussj
me: super {insert characture name here}

you: ussj2
me: ussj

you:ussj3
me:fully powered up ussj
You are understanding wrongly, I never said USSJ3.

Me: ussj
You: super (insert character name here)

Me: ussj2
You: ussj
 
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yea exactly and thats the first time i heard of ussj3. although he pumped hiself up like 4 times they werent stages. anyway should i put a poll on this like vote for the powerpump or for ussj 2 jus being a form?
 
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I agree to this except for "this is unreal. Trunks is going thorugh an amazing transformation. his power is now far greater then Vegeta's"

I'll rewatch this episode and get back to you (I admit when I am wrong)

But from things ive seen Trunks and Brolly are teh only ones to reach True USSJ... I just figured it out ill explain in a minute. brolly masters his bulkey mussles so he is like a ssj2

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You are understanding wrongly, I never said USSJ3.
I didn't know what else to call it! Im sorry ok im the first ever to say USSJ3.

"True USSJ... I just figured it out"
ok I figured it out (this is mostly for me) Vegeta went into some almost ussj but not quite like when goku in movie 4 did kaoken x100 or what ever had a yellow aura but wasnt SSJ this is the same thing there is vegeta's USSJ true USSJ and fully powered USSJ.

The fully powered thing is like when Goku couldnt beat frieza easy the first time in SSJ then trunks kicks his ass in the same form.
 
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The claim in your sig is completely false. Yet again, you are wrong.

But from things ive seen Trunks and Brolly are teh only ones to reach True USSJ... I just figured it out ill explain in a minute. brolly masters his bulkey mussles so he is like a ssj2
There's no such thing as 'True USSJ', you made that up, Trunks reaches the same USSJ forms as Goku and Vegeta. Broly's form is the Legendary form which only he, the Legendary Super Saiyan, can reach. The muscle mass is much much more drastic than anything shown in the USSJ forms, but unlike USSJ his muscles aren't the only things that grow, his bones and skull do too. This means it is not a USSJ form.

"this is unreal. Trunks is going thorugh an amazing transformation. his power is now far greater then Vegeta's" I'll rewatch this episode and get back to you (I admit when I am wrong)
Episode 148 - Saving throw, at 19:05, spoken by Piccolo.

Vegeta went into some almost ussj but not quite
This is the same form Goku shows Gohan in the HTC, the Super/USSJ form.

when goku in movie 4 did kaoken x100 or what ever had a yellow aura but wasnt SSJ
He doesn't say Kaioken...Kaioken x100 is used against Pikkon when he's SSJ in the Otherworld Tournament and it's aura is red not yellow, so it can't be that. Goku's eyes white-over and he can't control or hold the form for long, so he quickly slips out of it. There are a few instances in the show when Goku gets his SSJ aura, followed by the golden hair. This means he was on the brink of going SSJ, but just couldn't make it all the way, so fell out of the transformation.

I could go on and on picking out other things that you've said that are incorrect, in this post as well as others, but by now i've strayed off-topic and Neji said to drop it, so I will.

Neji said:
anyway should i put a poll on this like vote for the powerpump or for ussj 2 jus being a form?
I don't think you can add polls after a threads been created, but you could ask a mod to do it for you. Bear in mind that it was only my personal oppinion that it should be a seperate form, your idea is still very good.
 
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Ravendust said:
There's no such thing as 'True USSJ', you made that up
yes I did make that up but DBZ does not go indepth with this kind of thing so you never really know

Herms said:
ok I figured it out (this is mostly for me) Vegeta went into some almost ussj but not quite like when goku in movie 4 did kaoken x100 or what ever had a yellow aura but wasnt SSJ this is the same thing there is vegeta's USSJ true USSJ and fully powered USSJ.
all of this is basicly a thought of mine (looking inside my head kinda thing)

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He doesn't say Kaioken...Kaioken x100
I know that! It's just thats what it looks like call it what ever you like but thats what it looks like to me there is no debate here its a matter of opinon.

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I could go on and on picking out other things that you've said that are incorrect
I know I've said tones of things that are incorrect in this thred and in a few others but that's because there is no background to it!

The reason I call ussj the point where I think it is because thats what they do in the japanese version as soon as he goes to the form after his elastic breaks the show ends and the japanese narorator says "can Trunks beat cell with his ultra power?" After that I've played it by waht I've seen.

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your idea is still very good.
Agreed Nagi I'm all for this

P.S. do I still have to go watch 2 hours of dbz tonight?
 
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basicly i see no point to this -_- (yes you may call me a partey pooper)

As said lots of times the autor of Dragon Ball Z Akira Toryama (or however you spell his name) said that there are only 4 stages:
1.)Normal form
2.)SSJ form
3.)SSJ2 form
4.)SSJ3 form

the other so called stages like USSJ and majin are just powerboosts and not actual transformations. USSJ didnt even have a name untill some fans started to call it that ^^

As for the idea i have a good point that im shure youll agree with.

OK so lets say the team puts in USSJ and USSJ2 and makes trunks slower as a dissadvantage. Im shure you all will agree that Trunks as already to slow so whats the point of slowing him down even more. So while the other characters gain speed Trunks will be stuck between normal and SSJ speed.

And that is all i had to say in this post (^^ dont want to start a spam war on my account ^^)
 
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I don't know why they made him so slow in the first place. Maybe because when Goku came back to Earth (after the Namek saga) and "fought" Trunks, Trunks didn't even hit him. But being balanced comes before being true to DBZ IMO.
If they made his ssj speed the same as the other saiyans, the idea could work. :| We can always hope...
 
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~Hyuga Neji~ said:
listen herms im not gonna turn this into one of those type of threads cus its fruitless. listen super trunks/ super vegeta/ and super goku are all the ussj form trunks pushes it one step further to super trunks 2 or ussj 2 so if u want to argue this be my guest like i said i have my own opinions about it and no one can change it.

yes thank u ravendust. u siad that perfectly. at least someone else understands. nothing else to say u hit the nail on the head lol

anyway anymore crits and comments plz would really help lol

edit: now i showed u this b4 but ill show u again


obvious difference ussj is the left and ussj2 is the right.

also another pic of goku as a ussj2

WHEN THE HELL DID GOKU GO USSJ?!?!?!?!?
 
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Ravendust said:
Stats revision:

Trunks:
Normal: LF 110 Speed 260 StartPL 0,65M
Super Saiyan: LF 130 Speed 310 TransPL 1,0M (x2) PerfPL 3,0M
Ultra Super Saiyan (grade 1): LF 140 Speed 260 TransPL 3,0M (x3) PerfPL 5,0M
Ultra Super Saiyan (grade 2): LF 140 Speed 200 TransPL 3,0M (x4) PerfPL 6,0M

E.G:

If
Normal: 2,000,000PL
Then
SSJ (x2): 4,000,000PL
USSJ (x3): 6,000,000PL
USSJ2 (x4): 8,000,000PL
ravendusts idea is the pest way to put both those forms in or u could put it in my way either way u can balance it out.

grega u may not think its 2 forms but it is i mean although the author may not of said it u can obviously tell they changed its not that hard to tell.

anyway like orbit said he should be faster i dont understand y hes the slowest saiyan anyway. gohans is even faster then him as ssj and it doesnt really make sense. if anything trunks should be the fastest saiyan since hes pure melee.

kidboy uhh goku went both of those forms in episode 150 the cell games. he shows both forms. but never uses them he jus shows them to gohan
 
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ok i was thinkin and i got some new ideas for the powerpump idea so to speak.

stats for trunks:

Trunks:
Normal: LF 110 Speed 260 StartPL 0,65M
Super Saiyan: LF 130 Speed 310 TransPL 1,0M (x2) PerfPL 3,0M
Ultra Super Saiyan (grade 1): LF 140 Speed 320 TransPL 3,0M (x3) PerfPL 5,0M

now this is where i was thinkin that him bein faster would help out.

Ultra Super Saiyan (grade 1) at 25%: LF 140 Speed 310
Ultra Super Saiyan (grade 1) at 50%: LF 140 Speed 290
Ultra Super Saiyan (grade 1) at 75%: LF 140 Speed 260
Ultra Super Saiyan (grade 2) at 100%: LF 140 Speed 220

or somthin like that im not really sure about the power boost so i didnt say anthing about it. but as u pump up more thats more speed that gets taken off for the price of pl so its balancing out basically. the farther u go the more speed it takes off.

so first wen u go 25% u lose 10 speed then u go 50% it takes more speed then u go 75% it takes 30 then u go 100%/ ussj 2 it takes 40 off or somthin like that. sounds pretty balanced if u ask me but if someone could help me wit pl's id appreciate it

anyway C&C plz
 
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I don't want to disrespect you Hyuga, your idea is great, But if the ESF Team will put the power pumping for Trunks then it will be Lots of Coding to do and the models will make a Huge part because of Trunks having huge muscles that means they will make so many models for him like 4 Models and if you want them to read your suggestions make it more simple.

And if you will reduce Trunks speed for the price of PL, then Trunks will be the same again as slow as he is in ESF 1.2.3. I'd rather not have USSJ for Trunks if he will be one of the slowest in the game again.
 
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listen x boy they do not have to make any other models they could have his ussj form. u dont have to make 4 more models for the forms i said they are jus uping his power for the price of speed and somthing like that jus doesnt seem that hard to code.

it might be but im not really sure. and besides Xboy wit my idea u have a choice of whether u want to be fast or whether u want to be slower but stronger they are choices not requirements. its a good idea it gives u alternatives.

so if someone was beatin u and speed didnt make a real difference to u and u needed the extra pl to kill him a lil faster u could have that choice. if u wanted to be as strong as possible so ur blasts could be stronger u could. and if u wanted to maintain ur speed and not powerup anymore u could.

its a easy concept to comprehend. mostly everyone else understands it.

anyway like i said b4 some help me wit pl's and C&C plz
 
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Orbit said:
Maybe because when Goku came back to Earth (after the Namek saga) and "fought" Trunks, Trunks didn't even hit him
That's because Goku was knocking away Trunks' huge, heavy sword with one (very light) finger. If that's why the team made Trunks slow then it's a massive oversight.

Also, if Trunks is made faster in his normal and SSJ forms, then the speed reduction won't be so severe in his USSJ forms. And while it'll still be slow(er), he'll have the massive power boost to make up for it.
 
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But all of the other Characters gains more and more speed after Transforming, and then you will reduce Trunks speed when he Transform then his PL won't be any factor anymore.
 
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That's why I made his speed so high on his stats revision (not far behind what Mystic Krillin's is now in fact). You can choose speedy SSJ Trunks, powerful USSJ Trunks, or the Tank USSJ2 Trunks.
 
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It doesn't seem right that in a Transformation you will lose your Speed. Because when your fighting your opponent maybe for 30 min. or 1 hour all of them are now Transed and very High in PL and Speed while Trunks is in his Normal SSJ Form trying to keep up on them because you know that when you Transform you will decrease your speed.

You don't want to repeat the same mistake that Trunks did while fighting Cell. All he did is just pump up his muscles.
 
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USSJ had a good amount of speed anyways. And I like your idea Hyuga. When Trunks was a USSJ2 He basically had the same power as a SSJ2 Gohan but he didn't have the speed so he got his ass handed to him.
 
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That's what I've been wanting to tell them, what's the point on Transforming when your Speed is going down.
 

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