Tien Development

[Shuyin]

Yeah i ment to say the hand zoom is first person view for secondary fire.
Hmmm yeah back to the transformation talk.

Sash Tien to Bare Tien works fine enough for transformation.
Tien doesn't really need a buddy for attacks....he has plenty enough. Having a buddy to switch health and show he's weaker would be the only point.
But then saying that, Krillin doesn't have a buddy (boo hoo) so Tien would be perfectly fine by himself. We don't need to overuse the buddy system just because its new.....heck we don't even know what it is yet fully!


What would make Chiouzu worth adding?
dodon ray - Tien already uses it
sticky-bomb-Chiouzu - ...er no

 

[niobe]

uhmm, tien isn't a human.......i dont know what he is but un db they already said that he isn't a human.
anyway, the trybeam is an instand/verry quick attack so a beam trail isn't neaded.
i already made an trybeam sprite set, no one did lissen about that an secure tread must be made so saving pic's isn't an option but who am i to say that the sprites will be stolen and clamed.....o well.

 

[~*Logan*~]

uhmm, tien isn't a human.......i dont know what he is but un db they already said that he isn't a human.
anyway, the trybeam is an instand/verry quick attack so a beam trail isn't neaded.
i already made an trybeam sprite set, no one did lissen about that an secure tread must be made so saving pic's isn't an option but who am i to say that the sprites will be stolen and clamed.....o well.

I'm sharing my work so please show us your tri-beam.

 

[imkongkong]

Yeah i ment to say the hand zoom is first person view for secondary fire.
Hmmm yeah back to the transformation talk.

Sash Tien to Bare Tien works fine enough for transformation.
Tien doesn't really need a buddy for attacks....he has plenty enough. Having a buddy to switch health and show he's weaker would be the only point.
But then saying that, Krillin doesn't have a buddy (boo hoo) so Tien would be perfectly fine by himself. We don't need to overuse the buddy system just because its new.....heck we don't even know what it is yet fully!


What would make Chiouzu worth adding?
dodon ray - Tien already uses it
sticky-bomb-Chiouzu - ...er no

chiozu has ALWAYS been with tien through out the entire dbz saga. its like having captain ginyu with no ginyu squad.. thus the buddy system of ginyu with some of his squad with him makes sense. tien with chaozu makes sense. chiouzu could also be a homing attack where you can destroy him, like those bugs in half life, but more homing. if he attatches to you, you will explode in 10 seconds with a countdown while chaozu glows. a ways to get him off you would be to have someone else melee him off

 

[~*Logan*~]

I dont like sticky-bomb chiotzu. IMO the best idea would be the Tien, Yamcha, and Choutzu trio. Tien would be the main fighter, Yamcha would be slightly weaker but strong enough to contend with others with his own variety of attacks, while Chioutzu would be a last ditch effort character when the other 2 have too low of an HP count and are about to die.

Then again, I'm only assuming the buddy system means switching out between characters before dying.

The EASIEST thing would to have Tien be alone and just have a "transformation." As I said many times...its all up to the modelers. If they model Yamcha and Chioutzu, then perhaps we can give Tien a buddy system. if not....we'll stick with Tien alone.

 

[Ravendust]

uhmm, tien isn't a human.......i dont know what he is but un db they already said that he isn't a human.

Of course he's human, he's just Enlightened hence the third eye. He even achieves the title of Worlds Strongest Human after Krillin gets married.

 

[Ness]

Yeah i ment to say the hand zoom is first person view for secondary fire.
Hmmm yeah back to the transformation talk.

Sash Tien to Bare Tien works fine enough for transformation.
Tien doesn't really need a buddy for attacks....he has plenty enough. Having a buddy to switch health and show he's weaker would be the only point.
But then saying that, Krillin doesn't have a buddy (boo hoo) so Tien would be perfectly fine by himself. We don't need to overuse the buddy system just because its new.....heck we don't even know what it is yet fully!


What would make Chiouzu worth adding?
dodon ray - Tien already uses it
sticky-bomb-Chiouzu - ...er no

I agree with Shuyin. Buddy system is now just becoming part of the gameplay and will probably be a hinderence to the gameplay. I reckon the buddys system is left out of this Tien project. Imkingkong, youre wrong about Choutsu being so important. ESF team made the buddy system for Ginyu, because in the show, we had only seen 2 of Ginyu's attacks, a beam and body switch. After the Freeza saga, it was made clear that Chouztu was so damn weak, they left him out of the Androids Saga, and everything after that. Choutsu was only important in Dragonball, but this mod is about Dragonball Z not Dragonball or Dragonball GT. Besides, Choutsu had fewer moves than Tien, and since they were both trained by the same master, they had the same moves, but Tien was better. Whats the need in ESF for a character to downgrade? Youre all getting to hyped up about this project, stick to sensible stuff that will see 1.2 players stay on for 1.3. Over-ambition saw players leave at the end of 1.1, dont head for the same route that saw |::Z::| and other veteran clans and players dropout of ESF because of 1.2

 

[DaRkOwNs]

so then your saying completely underpower tien? Tien will only have transformation if we dont add a buddy system to it while goku will go all the way up to ssj3, they didnt add the buddy system just for attacks they added it to make up for lack of transformations

 

[Ness]

underpower? since when was Tien powerful O_O
and if buddy system is to be included wtf is the use of Choutsu? Kamikaze attacks are as lame as noobs discing, and suicide and telekinesis are the only unique attacks Choutsu has. Btw, any of the dbz characters could do that kamikaze if they wanted, not just Cell, Choutsu and Vegeta

 

[Ravendust]

At the moment I think the impracticality of the Four Witches, and the uselessness of Chiaotzu leaves Tien+Yamcha buddied as the best option. All we need is someone willing to model Yamcha.

 

[Jimesu_Evil]

Anyway, just my two cents, I personally don't want to model yamcha (again) and choutzu, nott o mention worrying about finding a reliable skinner willing to skinmap and do all 3, NOT to mention the animator...but 2 shouldn't be hard, specially when one is as easy as choutzu . And lets not forget how cool Choutzu is, I believe the solution is obvious >;]

Don't sweat it, I'm making a Yamcha model at the moment. Plus I think Yamcha is a way better fighter than Chioutzu, as somebody said, Chioutzu would just be a pointless weaker version of Tien. Chioutzu was cool in Dragonball... For like 8 episodes, then he got beaten by Krillin coz the little porcelain midget couldn't count.

 

[Ravendust]

Yeah it's how you said, I thought of some advantages for him in case people really want him in:

-No ki cost for flying
-Two kinds of telekinesis, the one Frieza has (primary) and a player based one where he picks up the player and flings them away (secondary) into a wall or something.

Aside from that I think Tien+Yamcha would be better without him, even though the poll speaks for itself

 

[~*Logan*~]

though it would be funny having someone pwn the whole server only using Chioutzu

 

[Ravendust]

If this is the last release of ESF (i.e No 1.4) then Chiaotzu should probably be in it for nostalgia or something. Although bearing in mind it practically doubles our workload with each character added, and the fact that it's taken us this long for just Tien, maybe his absence isn't so bad.

 

[~*Logan*~]

I doubt anyone will miss Chioutzu. They'll be happy with Tien or Tien w/ Yamcha.

 

[Eclipse]

I'll miss Choutzu and I could give a care less about Yamcha =\. So right off the bat, yourt wrong Logan . I'm not REAL clear on how the buddy system is made up, mainly because I didn't bother asking when I was on the team. But I can tell you that it was made ONLY to supliment the characters that had no transformations, IE. Ginyu, 18, etc. So it would only make sense to have it for Tien as well (since the four witches version is like ew.....). I've said it before and i'll say it again, I think yamcha should be implemented as his own character, and tien should be buddied with choutzu, it just makes more sense and it more accurate to the show. As far as Choutzu's attacks...obviously self destruct would be one, I would have to watch the series to find others, but I'm sure there is at least ONE different one you can make him have, and really thats all the difference he needs, consider Goldo only has time freeze and body bind.....

 

[~*Logan*~]

I'll miss Choutzu and I could give a care less about Yamcha =\. So right off the bat, yourt wrong Logan . I'm not REAL clear on how the buddy system is made up, mainly because I didn't bother asking when I was on the team. But I can tell you that it was made ONLY to supliment the characters that had no transformations, IE. Ginyu, 18, etc. So it would only make sense to have it for Tien as well (since the four witches version is like ew.....). I've said it before and i'll say it again, I think yamcha should be implemented as his own character, and tien should be buddied with choutzu, it just makes more sense and it more accurate to the show. As far as Choutzu's attacks...obviously self destruct would be one, I would have to watch the series to find others, but I'm sure there is at least ONE different one you can make him have, and really thats all the difference he needs, consider Goldo only has time freeze and body bind.....

1) I'm never wrong! >.>

2) If the buddy system is for non-transable only people....Krillin should have a buddy

3) chioutzu's attacks are almost identical to tien, minus 4 witches and tri-beam.

4) Jeice > Guldo

5) I'm still awesome o.o

 

[DaRkOwNs]

I've said it before and i'll say it again, I think yamcha should be implemented as his own character

and the reason he hasnt is because hes basically another goku

 

[Eclipse]

minus of course his wolf fang fist .

Logan..I don't know Choutzu's moves really well, Soooo I can't say anything for or against what you said except that Choutzu does have self destruct. Why doesn't Krillin have a buddy? Simply put he has a transformation (Unlocked potential) and the fact that no one would be sensably paired with him where as the ginyu force and 17 are obvious choices for thier buddies. I'm sure if you dig deep enought you can find more a little more difference between Tien and Choutzu, but in all honesty, it just doesn't make since to pair Tien with Yamcha besides the fact that some people want to play as Yamcha =\.

 

[Jimesu_Evil]

It just doesn't seem right to have Chioutzu in ESF simply because he just isn't a fighter. Sure he fought in Dragonball against Krillin, then he lost, and never fought since apart from blowing himself up against Nappa. And a fat load of good that did...

I think there should be another poll since there's obviously not going to be two buddies for Tien. Tien with Trans, Tien with Choutzu or Tien with Yamcha. Then we can see exactly who wants who.