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My 7,000 mp3s disagree with you.SailorAlea said:Bittorrent sucks for music!
My 7,000 mp3s disagree with you.SailorAlea said:Bittorrent sucks for music!
You might have that many. But how many did you download individually? People usually host entire albums. Even if you only tell BT to download a specific file, it still sets aside space for them, and you have to go in and delete the empty files manually--a hassle that other methods don't require. And regardless of whether you did, doesn't mean Bittorrent is any better for music. Bittorrent is insanely useful for movies, games, etc--but finding individual songs is not particularly efficient.Kurt said:My 7,000 mp3s disagree with you.
Dude you make my stomache hurt of laughing, you lived in Holland and you think you know the law, haha.Mad_AxMan said:hahahaha devion, you make me laugh. you know i used to live in holland right?
you ARE stealing, and in fact your crime is worse, because not only are you taking a file, which you have no rights to. but you are also aiding and abbetting (sp?) a known fellon by taking his illegally broadcasted file.
and that IS dutch law...
you really should look things up properly man hahaha
Translation:Hoewel de stichting B.I.G. anders doet suggereren, is het overigens zo dat het downloaden van filmmateriaal, net zoals muziekbestanden, vooralsnog niet bestraft kan worden.
Downloading music does no damage to industry.
Dude, dont be foolish, www.tweakers.net is a independent newsite, VERY reliable.Mad_AxMan said:Devion, i had to know the dutch laws to get my citizenship.
go and read an ACTUAL law site, not a fan site (which is essentially what that is), which throws around things its found out. go and read for yourself, and THEN come back.
heck, even write to a soliciter.
You dont have to be the rightfull owner to make a copy.Je hoeft geen rechtmatige eigenaar te zijn om een thuiskopie te mogen maken.
You can therefore, for yourself, copy a rented or lent CD or for yourself download music in Mp3-format of the Internet.(Babelfish with slight edits)Je mag dus voor jezelf een gehuurde of geleende CD kopieren, of voor jezelf muziek in MP3-formaat van Internet downloaden.
I didnt took it out of context, I wish a real dutch person could conform...sigh.Mad_AxMan said:you took that out of context...
but either way. ill break something down for you.
1. being in holland, doesnt mean you cant break the laws of other countries. if you break an american/english/french etc. law, by downloading FROM one of their citizens. you are just as accountable as they are. EVEN if you live in holland.
2. stop hiding behind other peoples words and start realising not just the legal, but the moral implications of what your doing. its almost as if you have no opinion, other than "they say its ok, so im gonna do it, and screw everyone whos hurt by it". by downloading, your encouraging people to upload. your also, still taking peoples money.
This argument is wearing rather thin at this point as it's been addressed 83287409278472 times... :S (and ffs, let's at least get the price right. I've NEVER, EVER seen a $20 CD unless it was a two or three disk set. The range is more $10-$15)if you like one song, 15-20 bucks for it is a tad excessive,
Majin_You said:It isn't as though there is no way to get around CD's that isn't stealing - sites like iTunes have been around for a while, now, and really aren't very expensive.
Mad_AxMan said:they still sell singles for christs sake
nuttzy said:lets say your not interested on every single song on the album?,
if you like one song, 15-20 bucks for it is a tad excessive,
and like ive said, (and OP, and devion) who is to say that without the ability to download mp3s we wouldve bought the album to begin with?
much like people would crack a 3d modelling program cuz they dont want to buy it,... cough cough.
ffs get YOUR price right, the only place in the US youll find cds that cheap are in garage sales and bargain racks >_>.The range is more $10-$15)
Look, I don't know if you realize this, but that implies that you can make a copy of the actual media itself. As in, you own a CD or someone gives you a CD, there's no law against making a copy for yourself.Devion said:You can therefore, for yourself, copy a rented or lent CD or for yourself download music in Mp3-format of the Internet.(Babelfish with slight edits)
For the THOUSAND time I said, I(!) can download it legal here, for MYself.SaiyanPrideXIX said:I think he meant singles.
Look, I don't know if you realize this, but that implies that you can make a copy of the actual media itself. As in, you own a CD or someone gives you a CD, there's no law against making a copy for yourself.
It doesn't say "you can just duplicate a song en masse at no benefit to the artist or distributor and give it to three million people." Downloading it from bit torrent or some nameless server, is stealing, even by that law that you brought up.
CDs are overpriced, none should cost more than $15 unless it's a double album, and singles should be $5. Considering it costs less than 5 cents per CD to make one -- casing, artwork and all.
But this is irrelevant. Regardless, I still don't understand how people can figure that it's okay to take something that they never paid for. Everyone else in this thread has said "well, I know it's not right, but it's more convenient/better," etc.
Devion, you just seem to be beating an extremely dead horse on the morality end of things.
And for what it's worth, lets cool down in here. I sense tempers flaring.
NATIONAL laws only count between NATIONAL borders, geez get your facts right.Mad_AxMan said:if you arent going to buy it, you must not be interested in it. if your not interested in it, why are you downloading it?
that logic works both ways, you download something your interested in, so why not buy it?
and just because your in holland doesnt mean you cant be inadvertantly breaking the law in another country. the ONLY way you could get off on that, is if holland were holland didnt sign an extrodition treaty, which they did. if your found to be aiding ANY foraign national, your equally liable to be charged under that nationals laws.
You are right about that, but the fact is, not everyone buys from the internet for several reason, stated early in this thread.Half-Unit said:Wha....? When's the last time anyone here actually went out and checked CD prices!?
http://www.circuitcity.com
http://www.bestbuy.com
Been a while, hasn't it? Unless it's paired with a DVD, I don't see anything scrape $20 and the only CD's I see hit $16 are double albums or a greatest hit CD. Everything seems to be $10-$15. And no, I don't mean singles.