OMG,OMG,OMG!! THE BIG THREAD FOR PEOPLE WHO HATE 1.2!!!!

[Smith|]

First and foremost I should say, that last post responding to me was bordering on rude, Soul. The reason being you were under the impression that it was aimed at you; well, it wasn't. It was aimed in general at all of the various degrees and propagators of *****ery in the thread and in general.

Well I hope this isn't on the border of rudeness, but you're really becoming a butt kisser.

I don't know if you know this, Soul. Not to be a tool, or anything. But you ARE "just some random guy." The reason is simple: This is Joe and the team's game. THEY make it. We're not here to **** with it, we're here to play it. Suffice to say, making a poll like you suggest would cause innumerable amounts of stupidity. Look around you; we have people in this thread who can't write a full sentence trying to tell the team how to code and design their game. You want to leave the decisions of the content up to them entirely?

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Soul isn't just a random guy. He's an active member of these forums who's helped in any way possible and deserves a good bit of respect from you and everyone else.

And for what it's worth, Joe isn't our slave, none of the team is...nor do we have some inalienable right to tell the guy his work is **** because we don't like it. I have a degree in interface and multimedia design; I ask the nay sayers, what are YOUR credentials? What gives any of us the right to spit on this game, when really it is a gift? I was raised without much of a sense of either but I subsequently have developed a strong sense of pride and respect for others. It's disrespectful and rude and totally derailing to any sense of accomplishment, which is the only payoff that these guys get.

No one has been saying they are our slaves. "You need to blah! It sux0rs!" is not a command, it is a very rude suggestion. Everyone has the "right" to comment on whatever they want, but getting what they want is another story. And bringing in a story of your life isn't really accomplishing anything here, Pride.

This game, no matter what you want to say, is a gift. And the greatest kind of gift--one from selfless strangers, for the benefits of we, the unwitting masses. If you don't like things about the game that's fine...but would you give back a gift that someone gave to you, after they spent five years of their life making it for you, pouring hard work and sacrificing their own personal wants and desires to do it for you, on nothing but the selfless desire to bring enjoyment and happiness to you... and then you'd take it and say, "dude, this thing ****ing sucks. Take it back and fix it, ass" ?

You are really being way too dramatic about this whole topic, Pride. ESF is not a gift from the heavens, it's just a piece of work made by a group of guys for them and maybe some of us, if they wanted, to enjoy. Also, you're own words are making them sound like the slaves you don't want them to be: "after they spent five years of their life making it for you, pouring hard work and sacrificing their own personal wants and desires to do it for you."

Mmhmm.

The ironic thing is that I think a lot of us, were we to really think about it, might find that ESF, this gift from some guys who had some free time on their hands a few years back...might even be the most selfless gift they've ever been given. I know it is for me. Maybe it's cause of how I grew up--or the fact that I AM grown up, actually--but the fact is, I didn't get a lot of stuff. I didn't get a lot of selfless gifts. I also didn't get toys and computers and internet connections shoved down my throat when I was 13 either. There was no magic jack in the wall we could plug our keyboards into, to go act like bigshots without consequence, either...for what it's worth.

Once again you bring in your "poor" childhood =\. I'm sorry for it, I really am, but I doubt it's going to make the minds of people who "go act like bigshots without consequence" think about what they type.

The game is the game, people. Just because it's a mod and we're close to the developers doesn't change things, or at least it shouldn't. The community shouldn't be voting on all the features...Joe and the guys aren't our servants to command. This IS the new melee system. The teleport HAS a delay. THESE are the characters in the game. We as players adapt to these things, and we as players have to find enjoyment in the game. These guys are not our slaves, and we aren't in charge of this game...they are. And they are giving it to us out of the kindness of their hearts.

People should be involved with the developers. Look at grOOvy, he's friends with everyone, which has probably helped him get to where he is.

Voting doesn't make them out servants, they could probably give a damn about what someone posts in the suggestion section unless it's an eye popper.

Thanks for clarifying that there is a new melee system, there's a teleporting delay, and there are actual characters in the game, I didn't know o_@.

Of course they aren't our slaves, as I said, they can do whatever the damn they feel like doing. And of course we aren't in charge, the project leader is.

And stop being so damned melodramatic >_<.

No, it is all amazing. It's certainly more than any of us could do, number one...and number two, it is far and away one of the best constructed mods I've ever played.

I don't know, Nature-Selection is really fun . And that new mod Mech mod looks really good.

Irrelevant; that isn't the team's fault. It's the community. It's not their fault that a bunch of ungrateful tools play their game.

Actually it is, they released it.

So I say. Are you going to show support, or are you going to trumpet off at these poor guys in spouts of ungrateful disdain? Are you going to show respect for the gift that this game is, or are you going to shoot it down because of some speed of some feature that takes all of a quarter-second in the full scale of gameplay?

I, for one, am going to support this mod. I may not play it much, but I'm not going to put it down ^_^.

Do, or die?

Wtf, mate?

In fact, let's leave it in the simplest terms possible:

Are you in, or are you out?


In the end, that's what it comes down to. Just ask yourself sometime...are you with us...are you really a part of this community...

Are you in, or are you out?

They can still be part of this community if they don't like the game. I hardly play the game and I'm still a very active member.

And god damnit, don't make your posts so long.

Edit: Fix0red all the errors. Total edits: 8 @_@.

 

[Sonic the Vampire]

Enough with the preachy posts. This isn't about whether or not you can suggest new things, it's about what's wrong with 1.2 . Everybody is allowed to voice an opinion provided:

A.) They aren't *******s about it.
B.) They provide constructive criticism.
C.) They don't flip out when somebody comes along that doesn't agree with them.

End of story. Let's get this back on topic.

 

[harSens]

Seriously, a mod starts out on the team's idea's, and most ask some friends and fans for some input for there mod. Now if the team would of never had these input's. This would be a totaly diff game, and chances r, probaly still wouldn't exist. I use to be the co-leader for MAG. So don't start thinking I'm just talking out of my ass. I know how it is. I have my share of mod team life. Most mods die becuse of lack of fans. So this game is losing it's older fan club which seems to be fine cuse they have all these nubs that will just kill the game a patch or 2 from now.

Everyone and their grandmother is in a mod nowadays. I've never seen a mod die because of lack of fans. It's amazing how even the ****tiest mod ideas can get 100's of raving fans. Mods usually die because vital teammembers leave (or have never been in the mod in the first place), the team loses interest after they find out they can't make a mod in a week, or the team is disorganized.

Just a thought.

Maybe all you people who have spent no time what so ever actually
doing any work on this protect, yet intent on discouraging it in any manner,
should make your own mod, With your own ideas, then release it and
prove to everyone you do know what your talking about.

Otherwise anything you do present as an argument is biasd
and ill-informed.

my 2c

Where do people get the idea you can't critisize something without being able to make it yourself? That's just silly.

Of course they aren't our slaves, as I said, they can do whatever the damn they feel like doing. And of course we aren't in charge, the project leader is.

Actually a three-headed emu is really in charge.

I think our new melee system is promising but there are some minor tweaks needed to make it more interesting. I might post my ideas later on, depending on what the rest of the team thinks. I'm open for all kinds of polite critism, even the one not giving solutions but just pointing out flaws. But at least use some freaking interpunction! A sentence does not end with ... I thought we got rid of the people using random capitalisation in their sentences and now we have this

 

[dbZ_fAnaTic]

The melee system, in my opinion is promising. I also like imkingkong's idea about different tweaks on the system, probably would take away the charging and inputting combos, but it's based on the system

http://forum.esforces.com/showthread.php?t=42881

 

[SaiyanPrideXIX]

That's it, I ****ing quit.

 

[martinfalch]

Hm seriously everybodys taking all of it too personal i think.. Anyway, some arguments are about the fact that threads like these have tons of ppl who want it back to 1.1 right? And when 1.1 came out it was like a bunch of ppl saying it was too boring.. Did anyone consider the fact that all those who really enjoy the game dont happen to tell about it in 7/10 of their post? I believe that if - in theory - the mellee was changed back to 1.1 system, then MAN we'd have like a 100 times more whining about it than we have now! Think about that...
Anyway, I dont hope the team gets that feeling that theres no reason to keep up the good work, cuz there is! The game is amazing and theres really a need for the team to keep up their good spirit and do excactly what their doing now: listening to the ideas and complaints and stuff, and then consider if stuff should be altered in some way! I agree with .. i Think it was soulstriker, who said that it would easen up some of this yanking if the cvar for 1.1 mellee was put in as a standard option in the server creation window - as well as the advanced melee speed, I guess a lot of ppl just dont know how to use the cvar's even though its very simple.. But i hope the attitudes stay as they are about now, much more comforting to read the calm posts about how things could be worked out and ideas to making it more than a 20 min game, that kinda stuff!

Personally i think gamemodes is the keyword - cs wouldnt be much fun as a deathmatch game, would it now? So I think that adding some interesting gamemodes would really make the game longerlasting And man please someone read my suggestion to capture the flag/db in the gamemode ideas nobody responded to that and it just seemed so smart imo

/Max

Edit: and pride, dont quit, just some different opinions in here and stuff, i guess everybodys just kinda driven up by this topic : /

 

[[ESF]nighthawk]

Whoa, I'm not even gonna try to read all 4 pages of this But I saw 2 things on the last page I'd like to make a point on.

1.) First is teleport Script. Despite whether people think it should be in because "it's your fault if you stand still" it still doesn't change the fact that it's an exploit of that game system. It was never intended for you to teleport across the map in click of a button. As for people complaining about the teleport delay in 1.2, all I have to say is WHAT?! I don't even see a difference when I teleport; I can escape explosions and other hazards just as easy as in 1.0 (didn't play 1.1).

2.) Secondly, is all the nay-saying that ESF will cease to exist because 1.2 is messed up....all I have to say is, PROVE IT. Where are your numbers? Where are your stats of this exodus? To me, it's only a few people that are pissed for various reasons and trying to say they speak as a whole for the community. In Star Wars Galaxies, we get that all the time; people who say the game won't last for another month. And guess what?? It's still here. So you claim that ESF is losing 95% of it's fan base, I have to challenge you to validate your claim somehow. Cause it's easy just to come here and say we're going under, it's another if you can back that up. BTW, can I have your stuff??

 

[SaiyanPrideXIX]

I agree in full, Hawk, but...I don't know, dude. I really think I've finally had it with this garbage once and for all.

 

[SoulStriker]

That's it, I ****ing quit.

What the . . . ? Actually, never mind, I wont bother. I made my point, and Smith pretty well tore your post apart, so I wont bother, and I will take Sonic's advice, and stop the off-topic rambling. Not many read it anyway.

(Thanks for teh defense Smith )

Like I said before, I think new gameplay would help the mod out *alot*. Worst comes to worst (which I doubt), it would take the constant complaining off the new 1.2 features and turn it onto a gameplay mode. I don't see that happening anyway. Gameplay would make the game funner to play, and make it worth playing longer. Make it more interesting, because with new melee features, once people figure them all out, its not as great as it was before they knew. With a new gameplay idea, that doesn't really happen, or if it does, it takes alot longer to occur.

 

[ZTiMaStA]

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If u don't like the game don't play it. Its simple...u don't have to go around complaining..Personally I like the game how it is...for those who say "N00bs have the advantage"....reality check...their noobs...u have the advantage....one more thing to doge beams....*cough* Swoop *cough*.
If u can't...ur the noob...NOW DON'T FLAME ME JUST PROVE ME WRONG!

I guess u don't play esf that much? after u get in that bubble of advanced melee u can't get hit by beams yes thats true but after the bubble u get pulled back in that time u CAN'T swoop ur only chance is too telleport away but that isn't really possible since u cant teleport fast in 1.2.]

"N00bs have the advantage"....

not really true BUT they have a bigger advantige then in 1.1 = advanced melee u can EASILY block the normal directions but when u have a random direction u will have to guess = u don't need skill for it therefore n00bs can hit u while back in 1.1 and 1.0 when u have a skilled player u would almost NEVER get hit by melee by a n00b...

 

[Mr.Gimp]

I see alot of bickering and hate in this thread. First off you guy's should be happy the team is doing there job and a great one at that. It's best to just focus on what you need the change now instead of what needed to be changed then, I am sure the team wouldn't mind changing some things if you guy's would properly ask for it instead of making massive spam threads. Don't lose sight of this being a temporary release, there is a patch coming, it will fix alot of what you all consider wrong with this version. Have patience and faith in the team, they never have let you guy's down so just see what awsome ideas they will come up with next. All I have to say is make the best of what you got for the time being because patience is virtue.

 

[NightShade]

Ok so Tell me if i am wrong

1) People dont like delay on teleport. Eh i dont either but it cant be help.
2) People dont like randoms. Ok so lets make adv melee even worthless.
3) People dont like the delay with swoop. Ok so that is being worked on.


Ok lets look at the avg ESF player l33t.

Hi bob.
Bob: yo


Ok bob likes fancy moves. Like teleport above come down throws combos. bob loves that. Bob does not like this guy steve.

Steve does not like melee. He loves killing 5 people with one beam.

So picture 2 people. After steve kills bob a few times. bob just melee hims for 15 mins and finds out. poor steve sucks at melee. So bob gives up and goes looking for stronger people. When bam bob gets hit with a sbc.


That is your avg esf game. With new game modes things might be change alot. But the game modes would need to change core of the system also to make it more fun.


SINCE everyone giving ideas. i will add mine even tho not what thread really about.


1) Panic button. Ya i know team does not want more buttons. But when a beam gets close i should be able to hit a button and get a super fast beam out that can help bring more beam struggles. have a reuse timer on it. and make it have a very little blast.

2) Adv melee. the only way i get hits is having someone do a random wrong. Making pre punches, throws, simple melee the way to go. Now i think another factor should get added in. Make powerlevel vs someone mean more then just extra dmg and other stuff. Yes it would be more random but random is better then having someone dodge for 5 min.

3) with that^ pl system would need speeded up alot. Sonic happens to point out that it will in patch. Thanks .

4) adv melee. If someone dodges alot of your attacks. you should be able to hit that panic button and if that other person does also. fly back and start a beam struggle. I miss beam struggles

The team knows most of this stuff. but i just wanted to post it. Noone is not going to be happy no matter what.


Oh to another poster. If they did add a xp system Would be kinda neat.

the beam person who beams most of the time would have a strong beam power. Then the person who uses melee all the time would have a stronger melee path. Only way to get super 2-3 is to train body with both. Hey that sounds cool. But alot of work.

 

[JDeezNutz]

ok i would like tog et a few things of my chest...

right, some people agree with the changes the ESF team have made to teh mod, personally i think it is alot better than 1.1 but that is just my opinion, now, i dont like people *****ing about this, because everyone has a good point,

saiyan pride and mysticuub, you both pointed out some very good points both ways, you two seem to be in competition, please dont, the ESF forums are spammed already enough, i can understand you two might like 1.2 or even hate 1.2 but please PM PcJoe or Harsens, telling each other what you want to happen and changes you want made wont happen, it will only happen if you contact PcJoe and Harsens, taht way they will be able to talk to Mastasurf about suggestions to improve 1.2 melee, who knows...

JoeJustJoe, the game is ment to be fair.
the ESF team have added advanced melee so it evens out teh score, i dont know if you remembered ages ok, but GroOvy released a clip of him in action, all i can say, if i was up against him in a esf battle, i would loose horribly!

by adding advance melee has given other members the chance to actually fight back, ...come on, what is the point of fighting someone you know you are going to win! you need a challenge!

i know this isnt my thread, but could someone close this, this thread was made out of anger and stupidity.
isnt it obvious by know, a thread like this only means one thing = flaming

flaming means = warnings

3 warnings mean = ban!

 

[Sonic the Vampire]

How many warnings have been given out so far in this thread? If I remember correctly, not only mods, but the dev team have also posted in here... also, please do not encourage fans to PM all of their ideas to Joe and harSens, they don't need an inbox full of opinions. The forum is here for debates over the mod's content and it's mostly healthy. You also happened to come in with your complaint after the firefight started to die down.

Believe it or not the team is paying attention, and so are the testers. This can stay open unless it falls back into angry chaos.

 

[JDeezNutz]

well i know, but anyone who just came along and read this thread would think that mods was ignoring this, i think i still have a point about PM the coders butwhat would you rather do, stop flaming threads the forums or having your pm box full? lol think it speaks for it self...

 

[martinfalch]

Quote:
not really true BUT they have a bigger advantige then in 1.1 = advanced melee u can EASILY block the normal directions but when u have a random direction u will have to guess = u don't need skill for it therefore n00bs can hit u while back in 1.1 and 1.0 when u have a skilled player u would almost NEVER get hit by melee by a n00b...
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Read freedoms post about the randoms in this thread

Anyway, i love nightshades idea bout a panic button, at least for the beam part! I think goku did something like it against janemba in janembas huge form.. Janemba had like a hand thundering toward goku and goku like turns around real fast, makes a beam in 0,001 sec and blast the hand away If it could be tweaked so it wouldnt be exploited or anything, it would really be cool! I seriously miss something like that - u could of course block, but most ppl are smart enough to make the beam go BANG just right in front of you.. Dunno how much power it should have, perhaps it should be like some kind of ball beam, like generic, so that it wouldnt in anyway have a chance against say a kame, but it would slow it down enough for you to get away? think it should be posted in the suggestion forum, great idea imo!

 

[Sonic the Vampire]

Randoms only bother me when they come at the end of a string and you know they're a hard hit. The rest of the time, when attacks are being mixed up with one another it's a matter of reading what your opponent is doing. We'll find some way to work it out.

 

[Pcjoe]

Ignoring what Jayster? What do you think I do in study hall + computer class -_-
All I can say is wow though,this is one hell of a thread
The main note I would like to add is that I don't mind fans making suggestions, I just start to get angry when people say our work sucks ass without providing decent suggestion. It's like a friend showing you his latest drawing and you say, "That sucks, he looks like cow feces."
It's like well thanks *******, now how do I fix it -_-
If you have a nice suggestion, dont be afriad to post. If you're just going to say how beta 1.1 was so much better, and how the new melee system sucks, don't post until you have something decent to say.
And like Sonic said, please don't PM hars or myself with your suggestions. I don't have the time to read through 20 different ideas, expecially when some of them are several pages long.

 

[JDeezNutz]

lol no, PcJoe, i was talking from a diffreent point of view, mine of first when i first saw this thread, that the mods aren't fighting back hard enough...

anyway, PcJoe has a point, if people just want to say negitive points about ESF, noone is forcing them to play the game...

 

[grOOvy]

lol no, PcJoe, i was talking from a diffreent point of view, mine of first when i first saw this thread, that the mods aren't fighting back hard enough...

anyway, PcJoe has a point, if people just want to say negitive points about ESF, noone is forcing them to play the game...

An off-topic note, which must be said - stop saying "PcJoe" before he throws his monitor out the window, fly over to where you are and kicks your ass . It's Pcjoe or pcjoe, not PcJoe.

1) Panic button. Ya i know team does not want more buttons. But when a beam gets close i should be able to hit a button and get a super fast beam out that can help bring more beam struggles. have a reuse timer on it. and make it have a very little blast.

Doesn't make sense having an attack like that with a timer. Also, if you have a big beam coming at you, what good is a super fast beam (since this will obviously have small PS'ing ability)?