Xbox One

[DaRkOwNs]

Well, I was only considering Xbox and PS3 as competitors in this. And the Microsoft marketplace is more popular because Microsoft was working supportively with Indie developers up until recently, when they apparently started turning less favorably on them and are now promising that they'll be better supported on the Xbone. On the other hand, Nintendo is incredibly strict with Indie developers.

And last I checked it was 59.99 for gold membership. Which may not be much in the short term, but that builds up over time. After 5 years you spent another 250 dollars on...nothing. The servers used to run games other than Halo are supplied by the developers, not microsoft. So, just instancing that I paid 250 for my ps3 and 200 for my Xbox, and assuming I wanted to play online (which I should as it's an inclusion of the game itself and not of the console) on Call of Duty, Bioshock 2 (*shiver* god forbid), Battlefield, and Street fighter/the rest of the fighting games that pretty much require internet to stay interesting. I also had these consoles since release and Xbox member ship is a solid 40 dollars. Altogether I would have spent 500 dollars on the Xbox, and 250 on the ps3.

All american budgeting at it's finest. After that, how can anyone justify buying an Xbone for a (purportedly) strong 500 dollars, when they're still gonna have to pay 50 a month on top of all their other bills including internet?

Edit: forgot to include that Ps3 only very recently started outselling xbox. With Xbox being at a world wide 76 mill and ps3 being at 77.

 

[Zeonix]

Well, I was only considering Xbox and PS3 as competitors in this. And the Microsoft marketplace is more popular because Microsoft was working supportively with Indie developers up until recently, when they apparently started turning less favorably on them and are now promising that they'll be better supported on the Xbone. On the other hand, Nintendo is incredibly strict with Indie developers.And last I checked it was 59.99 for gold membership. Which may not be much in the short term, but that builds up over time. After 5 years you spent another 250 dollars on...nothing. The servers used to run games other than Halo are supplied by the developers, not microsoft. So, just instancing that I paid 250 for my ps3 and 200 for my Xbox, and assuming I wanted to play online (which I should as it's an inclusion of the game itself and not of the console) on Call of Duty, Bioshock 2 (*shiver* god forbid), Battlefield, and Street fighter/the rest of the fighting games that pretty much require internet to stay interesting. I also had these consoles since release and Xbox member ship is a solid 40 dollars. Altogether I would have spent 500 dollars on the Xbox, and 250 on the ps3.

It's been sub-50 dollars for quite some time now, so you haven't checked in the last couple of years. So we'll say 47 dollars over 5 years, which is a whopping 235 dollars. Over 5 years. How much does the typical American spend on fast food in a single year? I guara-goddamn-tee you it's over 46 bucks. If I paid for gold, it'd be a matter of shifting expenses, if necessary. So instead of being fat for 5 years, let's say you bought gold. Now, online play should be included in the price of the 360, but it isn't. So you can either play multiplatform games with worse fps on the ps3, and focus on those exclusives, or buy a 360 if you prefer those exclusives and better fps for multiplatform games. The PS3 is anime-central, and MGS, GoW and Infamous aren't enough to justify buying the console for me. So what does it boil down to at this point in the game? User preference. The 360 has a better controller, better games, a larger online community and everyone I know has one which makes local play easy.

All american budgeting at it's finest. After that, how can anyone justify buying an Xbone for a (purportedly) strong 500 dollars, when they're still gonna have to pay 50 a month on top of all their other bills including internet?

The PS3 was what? 600 bones when it came out? And people still bought it.

Edit: forgot to include that Ps3 only very recently started outselling xbox. With Xbox being at a world wide 76 mill and ps3 being at 77.

All of that has absolutely nothing to do with the PS4 and the XBOne, because they aren't mirror consoles made by different companies. They're two very different consoles now, with one apparently having better hardware than the other. It isn't the price point that's driving me away from the Xbox, as I'm going to end up waiting 2 years before I buy one, anyway, so I can see the true worth of either console. It's the content of their character. On the one hand, Sony seems to have learned from the mistakes of the PS3, and are moving forward. Microsoft, high off of the success of the 360, seems determined to create some kind of Orwellian spy rig that watches and whispers sweet propaganda nothings into your ear as you sleep while the Huxley aspects of the device project advertisements directly into your mind, potentially overloading your senses to the point where you're actually willing to pay for internet, tv, netflix, Live and whatever other shit they're throwing at you.

That's why I'm over the XBOne unless firstly, a lot of things change on their end, and secondly, their games are mind-blowing. But with supposedly inferior hardware and a focus on all aspects of entertainment rather than the one aspect I purchased it for, I don't know how that's going to work out for them.You seem like you don't like the 360 to begin with, and are looking for reasons to justify why you don't like it. If you don't like it, you don't like it. But let's not pretend the 360 is somehow inferior to the PS3, because it isn't in any way, shape or form. I was a huge Sony fan with the PSX and the PS2, and then they lost me completely with the 3. I'd like to go back to Sony, provided they don't make it hard on me or allow my CC information to get stolen.

 

[pumadace2000]

Second, you're capable of connecting to Live with the silver membership. Really, the only thing you can't do that anyone would actually care about is play on multiplayer. If multiplayer is that big of a deal to you, you probably don't mind paying 40-50 bucks a year anyway.
Sony.

Good points except for this one. Why pay for the multiplayer on this device when on any other device that I can think of of the top of my head that service is free?

And seriously 5 minutes and 20 seconds is a big difference but none of them are a long time... I dunno, maybe I just have five minutes. :-?

Oh and what I was trying to say on the Third one is the following. You pay a fee to have internet in your house right. But with the Xbox you pay a second fee to play online. Correct me if I'm wrong on this one again.

 

[DaRkOwNs]

All of that has absolutely nothing to do with the PS4 and the XBOne, because they aren't mirror consoles made by different companies. They're two very different consoles now, with one apparently having better hardware than the other. It isn't the price point that's driving me away from the Xbox, as I'm going to end up waiting 2 years before I buy one, anyway, so I can see the true worth of either console. It's the content of their character. On the one hand, Sony seems to have learned from the mistakes of the PS3, and are moving forward. Microsoft, high off of the success of the 360, seems determined to create some kind of Orwellian spy rig that watches and whispers sweet propaganda nothings into your ear as you sleep while the Huxley aspects of the device project advertisements directly into your mind, potentially overloading your senses to the point where you're actually willing to pay for internet, tv, netflix, Live and whatever other shit they're throwing at you.

That's why I'm over the XBOne unless firstly, a lot of things change on their end, and secondly, their games are mind-blowing. But with supposedly inferior hardware and a focus on all aspects of entertainment rather than the one aspect I purchased it for, I don't know how that's going to work out for them.You seem like you don't like the 360 to begin with, and are looking for reasons to justify why you don't like it. If you don't like it, you don't like it. But let's not pretend the 360 is somehow inferior to the PS3, because it isn't in any way, shape or form. I was a huge Sony fan with the PSX and the PS2, and then they lost me completely with the 3. I'd like to go back to Sony, provided they don't make it hard on me or allow my CC information to get stolen.

You can't really consider food as equal to gaming, nor can you consider gold equal as it actually increases in value over time. The simple fact is that I would've spent well over twice the original cost of the console ON the console and not on, say, games or that tooth filling that I really needed. Sure, it's not a lot of money, but it's still making you pay more than the consoles worth.

And the multiplatforming seems to be pretty yes or no. I've seen plenty of articles of the Bioshocks running better on ps3, and Star Wars running better on xbox. It probably comes down more to the time spent on optimization. And yeah, I know full well they're about equal as console. My single argument is on the xbox live fee. If it weren't for that, I'd go Xbox for the price despite any fps limitations I had originally perceived.

Honestly, I don't even have a preference for the controllers. Both seemed to work great in FPS games, while both sucked on fighting games imo.

As for the consoles, you serious? The difference I could really find is that the ps4 has ddr5 ram and the xbox has ddr3. The have the rivalring octa-core processors clocked at about the same speed, the rivalring video cards clocked at about a .5 ghz difference in favor of ps4 (which barely matters, as most games are geared towards relying heavily on the cpu), and they'll both probably come with a solid-state disc. PS4 wins on the specs, but only just barely. Rather than hardware, they're gonna be differing in software and optimization as the Xbone is trying to have sex with your TV and the PS4 is busy attempting to create freaky commercials showing how it plays games with retarded squirrels involved in some way.

I won't be getting anything immediately either. For me, 500 dollars for either console is just way too much money to start at. The only justification for disliking the Xbox is, indeed, the price. I could give or take either console, but I'm personally always gonna go for the better investment. And, like I said, I do not use my credit card online. Ever. So the risks are moot to me. There are plenty of alternatives nowadays.

 

[Zeonix]

Good points except for this one. Why pay for the multiplayer on this device when on any other device that I can think of of the top of my head that service is free?

And seriously 5 minutes and 20 seconds is a big difference but none of them are a long time... I dunno, maybe I just have five minutes. :-?

Oh and what I was trying to say on the Third one is the following. You pay a fee to have internet in your house right. But with the Xbox you pay a second fee to play online. Correct me if I'm wrong on this one again.

It's the only way you're going to play online using the superior console. Deal with it.

@Dark: You absolutely can compare fast food expenditures to gaming, because they're both completely unnecessary expenses. If you're essentially throwing away money on things you don't actually need and actually cost less than Gold, diverting those expenditures would, in effect, save you money. If this concept evades you, don't talk to me about penny pinching because I'm better at it, and you're doing it wrong. If you're going to talk about how expensive Gold is, and then use your money on stupid things, the problem isn't that Gold is a waste of money. It's that you want stupid thing a over stupid thing b. If you want to give me a list of your expenditures for FY13, I'll show you what to eliminate and how to squeeze more bang for your bucks. I don't think that's something you're willing to do, so let's stop trying to pinch pennies.

Now, complaining that you'll eventually pay more for gold that you will for the console is nonsensical, as Gold is a service whereas the console is a static object. Obviously, if you could improve on the console over time, you'd be paying for that in the same way you pay to upgrade your computer, something that I don't see you complaining about. The fact that 5 years of that service is still less than the console itself doesn't seem to factor into your argument for some reason.

I'm not talking about game x or game y. Overall, frame rates are higher and more consistent on the 360. This applies to the games I actually play on consoles, so it factored into my decision to buy the 360. If you want to play Adventures of Nishiyotamahasha, it probably won't even come out on the 360 so it's obviously not the console for you.

How do you not have a preference for controllers? Even when it comes to the same console, I have preferences between official and 3rd party controllers. The PS3 controller is superior for fighting games as the d-pad isn't one, connected form versus the 360's, where you press right and you might actually be pressing down right. For everything thing else, because I have large hands, the 360 controller is more comfortable for me. I also don't like having my sticks right next to each other. If I get a PS4, the first thing I'm looking for is a controller similar to the 360/One's.

And yet the difference in fps was enough for me to deem the 360 the worthy purchase. Clearly any edge on the technological front can be the determining factor between which one gets purchased (quite a few people bought the ps3 simply because it had a bluray player). Strip the One of all the bullshit I previously mentioned, and we have a contender. As of right now, it's like deciding you want an m4 because its small and weighs nothing, and then putting 14 gadgets on it making it weight more than an m249. It affects efficiency, it affects ease of use, and it affects my enjoyment. The PS4 focusing solely on gaming is what attracts me. For everything else, I have my ridiculously powerful computer. So as far as hardware, the PS4 wins. When it comes to software, unless the PS4 manages to hamstring itself, should run smoother than the One. That's 2 for. The game catalogue is the final determining factor, and is the only reason I'm still even considering the One. Xbox seemed to have all the games I was actually interested in this gen, short of GoW, MGS and Infamous. If that continues, I'm going to get the One. Not because its the best "bang for my buck". It's because it'll be the system I actually enjoy. If I want gold, I'll be sure to scrounge around for another free year, because that's all part of penny pinching.

If 47 dollars a year is too much for you, you have bigger issues than consoles.

 

[pumadace2000]

It's the only way you're going to play online using the superior console. Deal with it.

Superior console? Far-fetched, but maybe, though everybody seems to have it as common knowledge that everything on the ps3 performs and looks better than on Xbox, but wait that is single-player. So maybe it is the superior console for anything multiplayer. Hmmm...

Superior system with the most potential? Far from it. The superior one offers it for free, but the superior system is also expensive as d**ks if you wanna go all the way. If you want to just surpass the current gen consoles... not so much. Don't know how much it would cost to surpass the next ones.

Anyway I'm bored of that discussion. Has there been anything new on the Xbox One exclusives yet?

 

[DaRkOwNs]

It's the only way you're going to play online using the superior console. Deal with it.

@Dark: You absolutely can compare fast food expenditures to gaming, because they're both completely unnecessary expenses. If you're essentially throwing away money on things you don't actually need and actually cost less than Gold, diverting those expenditures would, in effect, save you money. If this concept evades you, don't talk to me about penny pinching because I'm better at it, and you're doing it wrong. If you're going to talk about how expensive Gold is, and then use your money on stupid things, the problem isn't that Gold is a waste of money. It's that you want stupid thing a over stupid thing b. If you want to give me a list of your expenditures for FY13, I'll show you what to eliminate and how to squeeze more bang for your bucks. I don't think that's something you're willing to do, so let's stop trying to pinch pennies.

Now, complaining that you'll eventually pay more for gold that you will for the console is nonsensical, as Gold is a service whereas the console is a static object. Obviously, if you could improve on the console over time, you'd be paying for that in the same way you pay to upgrade your computer, something that I don't see you complaining about. The fact that 5 years of that service is still less than the console itself doesn't seem to factor into your argument for some reason.

I'm not talking about game x or game y. Overall, frame rates are higher and more consistent on the 360. This applies to the games I actually play on consoles, so it factored into my decision to buy the 360. If you want to play Adventures of Nishiyotamahasha, it probably won't even come out on the 360 so it's obviously not the console for you.

How do you not have a preference for controllers? Even when it comes to the same console, I have preferences between official and 3rd party controllers. The PS3 controller is superior for fighting games as the d-pad isn't one, connected form versus the 360's, where you press right and you might actually be pressing down right. For everything thing else, because I have large hands, the 360 controller is more comfortable for me. I also don't like having my sticks right next to each other. If I get a PS4, the first thing I'm looking for is a controller similar to the 360/One's.

And yet the difference in fps was enough for me to deem the 360 the worthy purchase. Clearly any edge on the technological front can be the determining factor between which one gets purchased (quite a few people bought the ps3 simply because it had a bluray player). Strip the One of all the bullshit I previously mentioned, and we have a contender. As of right now, it's like deciding you want an m4 because its small and weighs nothing, and then putting 14 gadgets on it making it weight more than an m249. It affects efficiency, it affects ease of use, and it affects my enjoyment. The PS4 focusing solely on gaming is what attracts me. For everything else, I have my ridiculously powerful computer. So as far as hardware, the PS4 wins. When it comes to software, unless the PS4 manages to hamstring itself, should run smoother than the One. That's 2 for. The game catalogue is the final determining factor, and is the only reason I'm still even considering the One. Xbox seemed to have all the games I was actually interested in this gen, short of GoW, MGS and Infamous. If that continues, I'm going to get the One. Not because its the best "bang for my buck". It's because it'll be the system I actually enjoy. If I want gold, I'll be sure to scrounge around for another free year, because that's all part of penny pinching.

If 47 dollars a year is too much for you, you have bigger issues than consoles.

Fast food is NOT comparable to video gaming because of how the money is made. People don't get fast food because it's good or healthy. They get it because it's cheap and efficient. When's the last time you went to Mcdonalds and thought to yourself "Aw yeah, man. Been looking forward to this all morning". Never.

I still don't know how you can argue price? I don't care that it adds up to less than the console itself, now, disregarding past pricing. Just that it adds up. that's a deal breaker for me. If I paid a subscription fee for ever 300 dollar item I bought, I'd be bankrupt. Same reason I stopped playing most p2p mmo's.

I'll just take your word on framerates, as I'm not gonna argue strength versus software stability. Xbox is slightly stronger.

As for controllers, I dunno. I used both consoles pretty consistently so i never really developed a preference. Whether playing my ps3 or a friends 360, I could do the same motions comfortably with both. Both dpads suck in my opinion. 360 dpad is unresponsive as hell and ps3 is like rubbing sandpaper. I don't mind either analog controls. I have smallish hands myself, so maybe that's the difference.

If I do end up buying into this generation, I will probably get a ps4 myself. I don't like the Xbone, pure and simple. I already -have- every feature on it connected to my tv right now. I may not even get a ps4 as my personal favorite games have all moved into Nintendo's corner, including final fantasy, sonic, and monster hunter.

47 dollars itself a year is nothing. 47 dollars a year on top of 300 dollars for a console and 60 bucks a game is a little steep for me. Sorry if that offends you for whatever reason, I'm gonna make my choice based on pricing.

And I keep forgetting to say, I've never seen a difference with MP on either system. They both work well, but ps4 is free so that's where I'm gonna throw my hat. If you're worried about your credit info, you should take it off Microsoft and just use the point cards or walmart cards. They're not invulnerable either. As for the quality of online gaming, I've noticed the same *******s that ruin good games on both systems and I've seen hackers across both. So I go by price.

Edit: In response to Pumadace, the PS3 has the better graphics card, but Xbox has more and more efficient ram which solidifies the frames per second. So yeah, ps3 looks better but xbox runs better. Not something I've ever noticed, but that's where the math points. And E3 is in a couple weeks so we'll see more in actual gaming then.

Edit 2: The last thing i wanted to say is I know all 3 consoles are gonna be huge successes and make alot of money no matter what they do. So I'm not particularly worried about which one I back. Xbox always had a class status thing attached to it, while ps4 seemed cater to the niche and hardcore gamers, while Nintendo was always about family and their own multi-million brands.

 

[Zeonix]

Superior console? Far-fetched, but maybe, though everybody seems to have it as common knowledge that everything on the ps3 performs and looks better than on Xbox, but wait that is single-player. So maybe it is the superior console for anything multiplayer. Hmmm...

Did you time travel from 2005? Because they look virtually the same. The only difference is in the color palette and and fps.

How you make your money is irrelevant. How you spend it is. Last time I went to McDonalds was probably when I was like 8. I went to Wendy's for the first time ever not so long ago and had a triple baconater. I felt like I was going to die. Know what I do? Make my food the night prior, and take it with me. Why? Because it's cheaper and healthier.

I can argue price, because by cutting expenses in every area of my life, I can afford a whole 47 dollars a year. I don't smoke, I don't drink, I'm not married and I don't have kids. I have more money than I know what to do with because I'm conscious of what I'm spending, where and whether what I'm purchasing is necessary or not. I allot myself maybe 200 dollars a month to play with, and the rest is used for necessities. So to tell me 47 dollars adds up means absolutely nothing when I'm spending money on shit else because I pinching pennies like nobody's business.

I'll put it to you this way in regard to controllers. I've never broken my 360 controller by twisting it (left hand twists up, right hands twists down) during a particularly frustrating part of a game. The PS3 controller has not been so lucky.

47 dollars a year is nothing. The 300 dollars I spent like 5 years ago is gone. I do not factor that expense into my monthly budget because it was 5 years ago. In those 5 years, I've bought a significant number of games, all of them for cheap unless its something I've been especially excited about. Then I'll buy it day 1. Regardless, I've spent a ridiculously low amount of money on console gaming in the last 5 years in proportion to the time I've spent playing the games. It was a great investment. I'm sorry that you're afraid the internet is going to steal your credit card information. You should probably stay away from ATMs, cause if I know how to steal your number and pin, I'm sure the actual bad guys do, too.

When I get my next console, it'll be 2 years from now after they've gone through their growing pains. I know nothing about the XBox One as a gaming machine short of its specs, and I know a bit about the PS4. I have no preference at this point, because it's retarded to formulate an opinion based on very little information, to include what games are actually coming out in 2014.

The difference between MP is the prevalence of actual players for the type of games I play. The Xbox community is larger, and so there are more people to play with. It's simple. Also counter-intuitive, since as you refuse to stop mentioning, the PS3 mp capability is free. People don't seem to care, though.

Do a side by side comparison of PS3 and 360 games. They look the same except for their color palette. The thing everyone thought would give the PS3 the edge in graphics did nothing except frustrate developers.

I wouldn't say the PS3 catered to "hardcore" gamers, when the only "hardcore" game that came out that wasn't cross platform was Demon/Dark Souls. Whatever games aren't on the 360 are pretty shitty RPGs in the form of FFXIII-1-10 4th edition Squared. Hell, even MGS made the leap.

 

[DaRkOwNs]

I'm not afraid of the internet, there's just little to no reason to ever use a credit card nowadays and i can even get games without tax here in Michigan as long as I buy online. So it's not like I don't prefer it.

Yes, I also pay cash at restaurants/service and I cash/deposit my checks simultaneously so I can budget out what amount of cash i'm allowed an deposit the rest. It's rare that I use an ATM, but I risk it if I really do need to. Banks don't give a shit about your problems, so I'm pretty determined to never have any. I also have my account linked to my phone and texts me whenever there's a transaction.

As for the online community, the numbers on each seem pretty equal according to a quick google search. Both around 40 to 50 mill registered and active.

The hardcore gaming thing was originally, and we'll have to see about that. Alot of developers and indie developers start gravitating towards Sony and Nintendo saying that Microsoft is started to get really strict but Microsoft also made the promise that they would do alot better on the Xboner.

I'm still on the fence for the new consoles.

 

[Zeonix]

Have fun having the worst credit score in history, I guess.

Where are you finding those numbers because it isn't meshing with what I'm looking at.

You're not on the fence. You're calling it the Xboner. It's pretty clear regardless of what occurs, as long as Live is a service you have to pay for, its out of your range.

 

[pumadace2000]

The difference between MP is the prevalence of actual players for the type of games I play. The Xbox community is larger, and so there are more people to play with. It's simple. Also counter-intuitive, since as you refuse to stop mentioning, the PS3 mp capability is free. People don't seem to care, though.

Just a little side note. I stopped mentioning the PS3 after comment one, so calm down with the wall of text. You won't be able to convince me that it's better to pay for a service that most other devices offer for free anyway no matter how many things you would point out people spend more money on. I'm a cheapskate. If I know a service is offered for free on a system and it requires payment on another I will always go for the free one.

When I was referring to the "superior system" I was referring to the PC BTW. Just saying.

Now to try to bump my question: Anything new about the new Xbox exclusives?

 

[Zeonix]

Just a little side note. I stopped mentioning the PS3 after comment one, so calm down with the wall of text. You won't be able to convince me that it's better to pay for a service that most other devices offer for free anyway no matter how many things you would point out people spend more money on. I'm a cheapskate. If I know a service is offered for free on a system and it requires payment on another I will always go for the free one.

When I was referring to the "superior system" I was referring to the PC BTW. Just saying.

Now to try to bump my question: Anything new about the new Xbox exclusives?

You'll find that my responses to you are short, as your opinion means absolutely nothing to me. I'm having a conversation with Dark. Reading comprehension.

 

[DaRkOwNs]

Aw snap.

Still, about all that can be said has been said so lets call a truce till E3. I'm sure there'll be more failures and misjudgements to bicker about once all 3 companies have had their presentations.

 

[pumadace2000]

UUUpdaaaate! Viewer discretion is advised. This guy likes to cuss and yell like a sailor, which is why he is so awesome.

The Xbox One Press Release -Break Your Kinect

 

[phrack50]

Alrighty, so lets take a look at this abomination. The following information is right from wiki.

The Xbox One has an APU with eight x86-64 cores, 8 GB of DDR3 RAM with a memory bandwidth of 68.3 GB/s, a 500 GB non-replaceable hard drive, and a Blu-ray Disc optical drive. 3 GB of RAM will be reserved for the operating system and apps, leaving 5 GB for games.The graphics processing unit (GPU) is based on an AMD GCN architecture with 12 compute units, which have a total of 768 cores, providing an estimated peak theoretical power of 1.23 TFLOPS. This means the processor can perform 1.23 trillion floating point operations per second. It's a measure of processor performance. The specs look pretty good for a console, latest leaks suggest that the Xbox One will have an 8-core 64-bit x86 Jaguar AMD CPU @ 1.6GHz, coupled with a GPU that’s very close to the Radeon HD 7790. an 8-core Jaguar might manage about half the performance of a current-gen Core i7. The GPU comparison is easier: The Radeon 7790 is a $150 card.

In short, then, today’s PCs will stomp all over the Xbox One (and PS4) in terms of raw computation power.

Here are 5 things that really sucks about the Xbox One.

1) The Xbox One does not have a video output for either composite video or component video.
2) The Xbox One will not function unless the Kinect sensor is connected.
3) Restriction on used games, required online verification every 24 hours for single player games
4) Microsoft has also stated that the Xbox One will not be backward compatible with original Xbox and Xbox 360 games
5) An internet connection will be required for the Xbox One

 

[Hellion_Blade]

At this point then, if I were to get an Xbox one, it wouldn't even be to play games mainly. I'd keep my XB360 ready at all times to be the gaming console because of all the restrictions they are putting on the XB1. The whole thing is very expansive as a multimedia system. It really just take everything that a HTPC does and makes it a lot easier to manage. The problem I'm seeing though, is that they're taking the whole "closed platform" to the extreme! We all know Evilsoft already filters all the apps and media that are available on their devices to their preference but this is ridiculous.

Just like RedSaiyan's list above says, several things really suck about this new system. These things just make the entire experience of having a new system released become completely negative. Back when the N64 was released everything they told you about the upcoming consoles got you really excited but man, this stuff is really starting to become more and more lame.

I hope the projected price of the steam box drops so more people can afford them because honestly, they will of course be a much better system for practicality's sake. In fact, valve could potentially get that thing ready to do all the input swapping that the new XB1 does. Then Evilsoft can shove their new system up their ass.

All in all, if valve released a low cost, minimum spec system, I really think it will kill the XB1 because of all the restrictive bullsh!t Evilsoft has come up with.

 

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I just want an Xbox One for Halo. That's really it.

 

[IFlip92]

Not sure if someone else posted this already: [video]http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/7417-Next-Gen-Buyers-Guide[/video]

 

[DaRkOwNs]

E3 in 2 days. We'll see what happens.

I swear I will go in person someday.

 

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500 dollars for Xbox One. Showed some cool games, but I don't think anything that would sway me to spend 500 dollars, especially not with the security concerns in light in the mdist of us finding out about the NSA and their connection to big tech companies like Microsoft.