The -whoever- versus -whatever- thread...

[uncover bunker]

er... That's so the game is balanced like ESF and not "because im SS4 Goku I get to beat you (kid gohan) with one punch11!!!!ONE!!!!!" SSGoku didn't have too much trouble beating frieza on namek. In the end Goku had way more power than frieza he was just ****ing with him for most of the time. I think Goku from namek would beat cooler because cooler went to namek at least three years after the first saga on namek so he was probably as weak as frieza at the time that Goku beat frieza. Otherwise Cooler would have shown up sooner.

it maybe, but that doesnt count in his transformation...his true form(fifth form) in movie he said frieza was tried to challenge him and they r equal match until he shows his true power(becuz the fifth has some bug that makes him have to turn back in peace time.) he also said frieza used all he got(100%) in the match with koola(normal stage). than he transform until he piss off frieza. i'd say no metter how stronger goku became he still would had much trouble if he fights koola.

the offical wedsite said koola's normal stage as strong as frieza's 70%(but frieza never use 70% in anime) it may prove that koola's word "he definitely had an edge to beat me, but than it happaned!! i transform, as u see i'm 3rd transform stage but i find another one beyond it!!" for that case he definitely had the reason he can capable to defeat frieza. like goku said he's quitely different from frieza.......much stronger then frieza and with extra speed.

 

[uncover bunker]

Broly was never in the TV series...

USSJ/2 = Muscles swell, hair turns blonde, eyes turn turquoise, aura turns gold, increase in power, decrease in speed.
Legendary = Muscle swell, skeletal structure grows (approx 2 or 3-foot size gain), eyes lose their pupils, hair turns lime-green and gold, power increases dramatically, speed increases, power constantly increases over time, body gets increasingly unstable over time, aura turns lime-green.

It's not the same.

dude..i said he look like brolly.......i never talk about brolly in the tv series...next time i'll put the pic on the site if i catch it.....there's 3's form in the ussj.

uusj: look like vegeta, muscle increase
ussj2: muscle magify in max, and hair grow up much longer.
ussj3 much muscular then ussj2 and much taller then all form(only goku became when he trained in spirit of time.).

 

[Ravendust]

there's the movie in the link:

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That's warez, which i'm giving you a warning for :warning:

Remove the link, isolate the clip you want to use as proof and post that instead.

 

[uncover bunker]

That's warez, which i'm giving you a warning for :warning:

Remove the link, isolate the clip you want to use as proof and post that instead.

how the hack should i prove it without any proof?

 

[Ravendust]

As I just said, post the clip in question, not the entire movie you're supposed to pay for. Alternatively, just write out the quote and the point in the movie (time, location) he said it.

Nobody asked you to prove it anyway.

 

[uncover bunker]

frieza was strong then ssj goku at first place...but the problem is frieza would lose the energe in each punch attack he hitted at goku. for example in order, he actually wasted all his energe in the end of fight when he throw goku into lava and faced gohan. he definitely realize he has no power to escape namek.

koola has more balence and experiense in the fight, beside he said he was equal match with frieza full power when he stay in his normal form. i'd said no matter how hard goku attemp to be.....he would still lose. (koola was strong then android 19!! but frieza only at dr. gero's level.)

 

[Barney's_Soul]

Gohan SS2 was clearly better, as GOku was all ****y about GOhan being strong enough to beat Cell, and I'm sure that if he didn't feel that Gohan was a hella lot stronger then he was, he woulden't have put Gohan vs Cell and deffintly woulden't have given Cell a sensu bean.

How did the sensu bean even work on Cell? He's a robot!

 

[uncover bunker]

Gohan SS2 was clearly better, as GOku was all ****y about GOhan being strong enough to beat Cell, and I'm sure that if he didn't feel that Gohan was a hella lot stronger then he was, he woulden't have put Gohan vs Cell and deffintly woulden't have given Cell a sensu bean.

How did the sensu bean even work on Cell? He's a robot!

he's Not a robot......he's humoculous, the muten which created by artificial clone technology.

 

[Skiwan]

It's not a question of who could beat who, it's a question of who's stronger. This isn't the VS. topic. As it stands, Gohan was more powerful than Goku, as stated in the pic above.

Later on though, as he explains to Piccolo about his desicision he says something along the lines of "I could've beaten him if I really tried, but I know gohan has something special" or something like that, basically, the same thing as when he went ssj3 against fat buu, he says if he really wanted to, he could've won. That also means, he could've won in his ssj form... The fact that Gohan was chosen was for 2 reasons, first, he has his whole rage thing that Goku wanted to see gohan learn to use properly, secondly Gohan was ment to become the main character at this point, hence why Goku did not want to be wished back, however during the orange star highschool chapters, the public demanded Goku back as the main character, and thats what they got.

Imo, Goku ssj > Gohan ssj

 

[Jakut]

Yup Goku ssj > Gohan ssj. And i think that he said that he felt some hidden power in Gohan when they were in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.

 

[AmberGhost]

im too bored to read this all but in the end of dbgt (they didnt show more ) goku killed some prity strong evil guys without even beeing ssj and gohan was realy week by then he didnt train as much as goku ever so i was just thinking about then you wer talking couse gohan was realy realy strong only then he was realy realy mad/sad and i dont think gohan would get mad at goku like that for nothing

oh you ment in cell game well its the same gohan wouldnt get mad like that at goku for no reason i think

 

[uncover bunker]

Later on though, as he explains to Piccolo about his desicision he says something along the lines of "I could've beaten him if I really tried, but I know gohan has something special" or something like that, basically, the same thing as when he went ssj3 against fat buu, he says if he really wanted to, he could've won. That also means, he could've won in his ssj form... The fact that Gohan was chosen was for 2 reasons, first, he has his whole rage thing that Goku wanted to see gohan learn to use properly, secondly Gohan was ment to become the main character at this point, hence why Goku did not want to be wished back, however during the orange star highschool chapters, the public demanded Goku back as the main character, and thats what they got.

Imo, Goku ssj > Gohan ssj

there's a part of my thinking...gohan has extremely strong power inside his body but he doesnt know how to use it. like vegeta said he's more stronger then goku does(before he went ssj2). there's big difference between goku and gohan, goku was tryed everything he got when he fought cell, but gohan never did. there's a reason goku push gohan into the fireline becuz he was afraid cell get bore and destroy earth. for some reason he cant send vegeta and trunks becuz they were both defeat by cell's hand and they r much weak then goku, goku didnt have any choise(not to mention piccolo and android 16....)....becuz if he kept fighting wont get any result(cell can regenerate, and goku loose too much power...)

 

[uncover bunker]

who's gonna win? they r both far more beyond then ssj3 stage....

 

[KidMan]

Gogeta because he has Soul Punisher which is a one hit kill.

 

[Skiwan]

Gogeta, because goku x vegeta = ultimateness undefeatability

 

[Gon]

Gogeta, because Goku doesn't lose, he always manages to pull power out of his butt

 

[uncover bunker]

Gogeta, because goku x vegeta = ultimateness undefeatability

but he still in ssj2 stage.... and janemba was only in general rildo's level(general rildo's normal stronger then fat buu)..if i'm not wrong.....gogeta only stronger then ssj3 kid goku(since he's a kid but he's far more powerful then ssj3 goku in lastest episode of dbz)....i assume that gogeta must be in ssj2 babi's level(he said he's handred stronger then steel form rildo, and steel form as stronger as gohan buu... not to mention ssj3.). i'd said gogeta may have a bloody fight!


becuz the season had been passed, in gt buu's powerlevel is very tiny to compare gt villiam(especially boss dude). in open of gt, the henchmen already have capability to defeat gohan buu (like lagic, rildo....) remember good buu was killed by a simgle blast that babi fired without even try!!

 

[KidMan]

but he still in ssj2 stage.... and janemba was only in general rildo's level(general rildo's normal stronger then fat buu)..if i'm not wrong.....gogeta only stronger then ssj3 kid goku(since he's a kid but he's far more powerful then ssj3 goku in lastest episode of dbz)....i assume that gogeta must be in ssj2 babi's level(he said he's handred stronger then steel form rildo, and steel form as stronger as gohan buu... not to mention ssj3.). i'd said gogeta may have a bloody fight!

Where did you get your facts? If you could post some links showing the offical powerlevels then I would believe you.

 

[MC]

but he still in ssj2 stage.... and janemba was only in general rildo's level(general rildo's normal stronger then fat buu)..if i'm not wrong.....gogeta only stronger then ssj3 kid goku(since he's a kid but he's far more powerful then ssj3 goku in lastest episode of dbz)....i assume that gogeta must be in ssj2 babi's level(he said he's handred stronger then steel form rildo, and steel form as stronger as gohan buu... not to mention ssj3.). i'd said gogeta may have a bloody fight!

Where do you come up with this stuff?

Gogeta was never Super Saiyan 2, just Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan 4.

General Rildo is weaker than Buu, the reason for Goku struggling with him was because Goku was a kid, meaning that his small body limited his power.

Babi was never Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 2, or Super Saiyan 3, he had no control over that regardless of being in Vegeta's body.

Janemba was weaker than Buu.

 

[uncover bunker]

Where do you come up with this stuff?

Gogeta was never Super Saiyan 2, just Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan 4.

General Rildo is weaker than Buu, the reason for Goku struggling with him was because Goku was a kid, meaning that his small body limited his power.

Babi was never Super Saiyan, Super Saiyan 2, or Super Saiyan 3, he had no control over that regardless of being in Vegeta's body.

Janemba was weaker than Buu.

guess u never watch gt.....he trully said he's in ssj3 when he fought ssj4 goku. he manage that would never happan becuz he thought ssj3 suppose to be invincible(episode 23~29) he actually became ssj3 when he learn from goku. he's normal is in ssj vegeta stage.

ps: ssj3 has no eyebrow!! than babi's final form doesnt had eyebrow!!

Where did you get your facts? If you could post some links showing the offical powerlevels then I would believe you.

watch the tv series.....goku admit that rildo's normal form trully over power then fat buu(not good buu).
also goku managed legic is stronger then brolly. there's another proof, kid goku can easily defeat super perfect cell and super frieza's combine attack without transform in HFIL.