ScrewAttack: Goku vs Superman

[Devion]

Superman is a cripple compared to Goku. Superman has no energy attack like Goku does. Radditz was already faster then the speed of light as Piccolo pointed out.
Roshi, Piccolo etc. were already strong enough to blow up the moon. Imagine what Goku(Not even as Super Saiyan) could have done?

The whole thing about Superman blowing a galaxy up with a sneeze is just retarded. He can be beaten by a mortal(As he is a few times), but his sneeze blows everything up? Where is the logic in that? This also demonstrates that Goku etc. are much more capable fighters which are capable of controlling their powers till a certain extent, while superman cant even control his sneeze. DBZ fighters are able to concentrate their attack without causing much attrition. Superman is just a plain amateur.

Aside from power, which is a discussion without an end, Goku is a much more versatile fighter than Superman is. Superman's attacks are few and he is a very physical fighter. Goku, despite Superman's superior intelligence, is a much more cunning fighter and has much more powerful and versatile techniques. His Instant Transmission IS part of his combat speed, or did you forget the Kamehameha against Cell?

 

[FalconFury]

Superman blow up the galaxy with a sneeze? how ridiculous. I have never seen him blow up the galaxy with a sneeze and i have never read about him in comics that he did.

 

[Damaera]

That's because the comic book was blown up with the galaxy. Only Superman lived to tell the tale.

 

[Deverz]

Solar System*

 

[Grega]

In Supermans defense. Its not that he couldnt control his body.Before the sneeze he inhales enough sneezing powder to fill a city, then holding it in until he reaches an uninhabited solar system.

Not to mention it was magic and Supes has no defense against magic.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/9/98086/2103648-action_comics_273_04.jpg

 

[Renyori]

Superman is a cripple compared to Goku. Superman has no energy attack like Goku does. Radditz was already faster then the speed of light as Piccolo pointed out.

The whole thing about Superman blowing a galaxy up with a sneeze is just retarded. He can be beaten by a mortal(As he is a few times), but his sneeze blows everything up? Where is the logic in that? This also demonstrates that Goku etc. are much more capable fighters which are capable of controlling their powers till a certain extent, while superman cant even control his sneeze. DBZ fighters are able to concentrate their attack without causing much attrition. Superman is just a plain amateur.

Aside from power, which is a discussion without an end, Goku is a much more versatile fighter than Superman is. Superman's attacks are few and he is a very physical fighter. Goku, despite Superman's superior intelligence, is a much more cunning fighter and has much more powerful and versatile techniques. His Instant Transmission IS part of his combat speed, or did you forget the Kamehameha against Cell?

I think people who post anything about Goku vs Superman should actually learn about both characters first. Raditz is not faster than the speed of light. That was just something ridiculous the dub added in. When Goku was racing back from Snakeway to earth after training with King Kai, it took him 177 days. Whereas it would've taken him a couple seconds if he was lightspeed.

Superman is not versatile or has no energy attacks? Superman can instantly freeze people with his breath. Heat Vision which is hotter than the core of the sun. Extreme heightened senses to the point where he can hear and smell things from across the globe. He doesn't need to eat or sleep. If for some reason he gets wounded, he heals instantly, and any kind of disease does not affect him(unlike Goku). He has electro magnetic vision, he can see the entire EM spectrum, he sees and identifies radio/television and any and all broadcast/transmitted frequencies, and xray vision.

What does Goku have? Instant Transmission, and beams which he needs to charge up forever before it would be any threat? Superman doesn't need to charge up anything, his attacks are instantaneous. He can make his heat vision hotter than the core of the sun instantly.

Roshi, Piccolo etc. were already strong enough to blow up the moon. Imagine what Goku(Not even as Super Saiyan) could have done?

Why does it matter? Superman can do the same thing with his fist, and he doesn't need to charge up a beam to do it.

The whole thing about Superman blowing a galaxy up with a sneeze is just retarded. He can be beaten by a mortal(As he is a few times), but his sneeze blows everything up? Where is the logic in that? This also demonstrates that Goku etc. are much more capable fighters which are capable of controlling their powers till a certain extent, while superman cant even control his sneeze. DBZ fighters are able to concentrate their attack without causing much attrition. Superman is just a plain amateur.

Goku can be beaten by mortals as well. Superman only loses to people weaker than him if they have kryptonite or something. And Superman was forced to sneeze by Mr. Mxy.

Aside from power, which is a discussion without an end, Goku is a much more versatile fighter than Superman is. Superman's attacks are few and he is a very physical fighter. Goku, despite Superman's superior intelligence, is a much more cunning fighter and has much more powerful and versatile techniques. His Instant Transmission IS part of his combat speed, or did you forget the Kamehameha against Cell?

Every DBZ fighter is basically the same. All they do is charge up ki blasts, move at fast speeds, have enhanced strength. The only difference is how powerful they can charge up the ki blast, how much faster they are, and how much stronger they are.

It's not part of his natural combat speed, he uses it once in awhile, but rarely. He used it against Cell to surprise him, while Cell was talking. Goku uses his movement speed 90% of the time because he cannot constantly concentrate, and focus/pinpoint ki signatures before teleporting to the spot he wants, every single time he needs to move.

The thing about DBZ characters is, for them to take a punch, or a ki blast, they need to use their own ki to block, so they don't take the full force of the attack or else it will do major damage. For example, when Goku used his surprise Kamehameha, it blew up like half of Cells body because he was surprised by it and took the full force, had Cell been prepared and focused ki to his body to block, it wouldn't ahve done as much damage. Another example, is when Majin Vegeta blind sided Goku after the fight, it completely KO'd him.

Now if Superman and Goku were to fight, Superman, travelling at lightspeed and hitting at 400 billion tons of strength would literally kill Goku with a single punch. Remember, that Goku in the otherworld struggled with a mere 40 tons, and gets hurt, bruised, cut by people around his strength level while using ki to block the punches, etc. Goku would have no time to react to Supermans hits and would take the full force of his strength.

And what can Goku do to harm Superman? Honestly, I don't know. He would actually have get Superman to tell him his weakness, and beg Superman to give him time to find Kryptonite. Because none of Goku's attacks will do anything to Superman. Superman survives flying through black holes, he has tanked being in the middle of 2 planets colliding into eachother, and tanked a pointblank Supernova.

 

[hleV]

When Goku was racing back from Snakeway to earth after training with King Kai, it took him 177 days. Whereas it would've taken him a couple seconds if he was lightspeed.

It took him a day or two.

 

[EndreVanan]

Goku actually has a fighting style that's taken him years to master. All Superman has is his brawler strength, which in essence is comparable to fighting games where less-experienced players would just mash the punch button.

 

[Viper]

What if the 'magic' that can affect Superman, also includes Goku's abilities?
BAM!

 

[Renyori]

It took him a day or two.

Ah, but still. Had he have been lightspeed, he would've got to the end in about a second.

Goku actually has a fighting style that's taken him years to master. All Superman has is his brawler strength, which in essence is comparable to fighting games where less-experienced players would just mash the punch button.

Superman also has fighting technique. Frieza is a brawler as well. But it really doesn't matter, technique won't save you from someone many folds faster and stronger.

What if the 'magic' that can affect Superman, also includes Goku's abilities?
BAM!

Superman has some defence against magic, it's not as bad as krypotonite. Also, Goku's abilities are through ki, not magic/sorcery.

 

[Devion]

I think people who post anything about Goku vs Superman should actually learn about both characters first. Raditz is not faster than the speed of light. That was just something ridiculous the dub added in. When Goku was racing back from Snakeway to earth after training with King Kai, it took him 177 days. Whereas it would've taken him a couple seconds if he was lightspeed.

When Roshi and Piccolo blew up the moon, the KI attack reached the moon in a second, which make the KI attacks already FTL in DB.

The stronger DB(Z) fighters get, the faster they become and they dodge beams and KI attacks(Which logically also should become faster) like it is nothing. So we can atleast say that DB(!) fighters had the capability to react to something that was coming at them at the speed of light. Now in the Buu Saga, there is no discussion that Goku etc. is alot FTL. He simply IS or the whole serie wouldn't make any damn sense with what they say and do.

Superman is not versatile or has no energy attacks? Superman can instantly freeze people with his breath. Heat Vision which is hotter than the core of the sun. Extreme heightened senses to the point where he can hear and smell things from across the globe. He doesn't need to eat or sleep. If for some reason he gets wounded, he heals instantly, and any kind of disease does not affect him(unlike Goku). He has electro magnetic vision, he can see the entire EM spectrum, he sees and identifies radio/television and any and all broadcast/transmitted frequencies, and xray vision.

That's it?

Goku:
- Kamehameha
- Teleport Kamehameha
- Solar Flare
- Homing Energy Wave
- Spirit Bomb
- After Image
- Instant Transmission
- Ki Sense
- Telepathy
And ofcourse his whole fighting technique that is vastly superior to Superman's.

What does Goku have? Instant Transmission, and beams which he needs to charge up forever before it would be any threat? Superman doesn't need to charge up anything, his attacks are instantaneous. He can make his heat vision hotter than the core of the sun instantly.

It's instant.....unless he is searching for someone in a crowd of million it takes like 5 seconds.(Like with Bulma)

Why does it matter? Superman can do the same thing with his fist, and he doesn't need to charge up a beam to do it.

You have proof of that?

Goku can be beaten by mortals as well. Superman only loses to people weaker than him if they have kryptonite or something. And Superman was forced to sneeze by Mr. Mxy.

You are trolling right? You want to compare Doomsday to Majin Buu?

Every DBZ fighter is basically the same. All they do is charge up ki blasts, move at fast speeds, have enhanced strength. The only difference is how powerful they can charge up the ki blast, how much faster they are, and how much stronger they are.

Now they are not. Yes there are moves like Final Flash, Kamehameha, Masenko, which are just ki blasts/beam. Solar Flare, Scatter Shot etc. aren't. You talk like you know so much, but you are ignoring larger parts of DB(Z).

It's not part of his natural combat speed, he uses it once in awhile, but rarely. He used it against Cell to surprise him, while Cell was talking. Goku uses his movement speed 90% of the time because he cannot constantly concentrate, and focus/pinpoint ki signatures before teleporting to the spot he wants, every single time he needs to move.

That's pure speculation on your part. This was never said by Goku or anywhere else. It was only said that he needed to sense the Ki of the person where he wanted to teleport to. Like with Bulma and across the galaxy/dimension it costed some effort. I dont think it would apply with an opponent right in front of you which has a distinctive power level.

The thing about DBZ characters is, for them to take a punch, or a ki blast, they need to use their own ki to block, so they don't take the full force of the attack or else it will do major damage. For example, when Goku used his surprise Kamehameha, it blew up like half of Cells body because he was surprised by it and took the full force, had Cell been prepared and focused ki to his body to block, it wouldn't ahve done as much damage. Another example, is when Majin Vegeta blind sided Goku after the fight, it completely KO'd him.

Now if Superman and Goku were to fight, Superman, travelling at lightspeed and hitting at 400 billion tons of strength would literally kill Goku with a single punch. Remember, that Goku in the otherworld struggled with a mere 40 tons, and gets hurt, bruised, cut by people around his strength level while using ki to block the punches, etc. Goku would have no time to react to Supermans hits and would take the full force of his strength.

This argument is dishonest and plain retarded. We have seen DBZ fighters lift a thousand times more than a mere 40 tons. Besides, that was on the planet of the Kais. It would be unlikely that there would be the same gravity, especially when you take in account that Vegeta trained under 400G. That would make him weigh about 32000KG(80KG, which isn't unlikely for a very muscular average person times 400) and he did this in the ANDROID SAGA(Or even pre-Android saga, not sure). He wasn't even a Super Saiyan.......... And I already talked about the DBZ character being able to dodge FTL attacks.

You talk about people should learn about the character before they talk.... I remembered this stuff and I haven't watched DBZ in 8(!) years.

And what can Goku do to harm Superman? Honestly, I don't know. He would actually have get Superman to tell him his weakness, and beg Superman to give him time to find Kryptonite. Because none of Goku's attacks will do anything to Superman. Superman survives flying through black holes, he has tanked being in the middle of 2 planets colliding into eachother, and tanked a pointblank Supernova.

If they fought in a abandoned solar system, Goku would just blow it up. Really the magnitude of DB(Z) attacks are insane. The only reason they aren't doing it is because they endanger innocent life. They concentrate there attacks on the enemy. Heck if Roshi can blow up the moon with ease, Freeza can blow up a planet with his damn finger, I think it is fair to say that a SSJ3 can blow up multiple planets at once, maybe even a solar system.

I would vote for Goku, because he is a martial artist and more impressive attacks. Power wise, it's hard to tell, because Superman is very inconsistent.

 

[Grega]

Devion. A little flaw with Goku blowing up the solar system.

Goku would die, he cant survive in space. Superman wouldnt as he can easily survive in space. As silly as the power levels become in DBZ, Superman is just as silly depending on what version you take him from. Heck one variant even bacame resistant to kryptonite all together, while the first variant was only as strong as a locomotive, faster than a speeding bullet and was able to jump over buildings. He wasnt even able to fly.

Through the years we got Superman with near godly powers. He was so overpowered, that the comix became boring and they pretty much reset him.

 

[Slofreak]

Flash would totally take out Superman and Goku.

 

[Deathshot]

Devion. A little flaw with Goku blowing up the solar system.

Goku would die, he cant survive in space. Superman wouldnt as he can easily survive in space. As silly as the power levels become in DBZ, Superman is just as silly depending on what version you take him from. Heck one variant even bacame resistant to kryptonite all together, while the first variant was only as strong as a locomotive, faster than a speeding bullet and was able to jump over buildings. He wasnt even able to fly.

Through the years we got Superman with near godly powers. He was so overpowered, that the comix became boring and they pretty much reset him.

Yea Superman can no longer stay in space as long as he could. He holds his breath and such. Even at one point, Green Lantern had put a oxygen helmet on him.

 

[EndreVanan]

Flash would totally take out Superman and Goku.

Flash would be running around, then BAM, Goku would clothesline him.

 

[Eon]

Superman can hold down a job.

 

[Slofreak]

Flash would be running around, then BAM, Goku would clothesline him.

Your underestimating Flash.









he can also vibrate trough solid objects and holds. Oh yeah and can scramble your molecules or brains...

 

[Renyori]

When Roshi and Piccolo blew up the moon, the KI attack reached the moon in a second, which make the KI attacks already FTL in DB.

The stronger DB(Z) fighters get, the faster they become and they dodge beams and KI attacks(Which logically also should become faster) like it is nothing. So we can atleast say that DB(!) fighters had the capability to react to something that was coming at them at the speed of light. Now in the Buu Saga, there is no discussion that Goku etc. is alot FTL. He simply IS or the whole serie wouldn't make any damn sense with what they say and do.

How do you know it reached there in a "second"? Even if it does, what does that have to do with anything? If a baseball player can throw a baseball at 90km a second, does that mean he can move that fast as well? Dragonball characters can sense ki, and know when it's coming. If you see an oncoming car, you can dodge it even if you're no where near as fast as a car.

That's it?

Goku:
- Kamehameha
- Teleport Kamehameha
- Solar Flare
- Homing Energy Wave
- Spirit Bomb
- After Image
- Instant Transmission
- Ki Sense
- Telepathy
And ofcourse his whole fighting technique that is vastly superior to Superman's.

Half those fall under, "ki attacks", and "instant transmission". Fighting technique really won't save him. Did fighting technique save Krillin from Frieza? The difference is, the gap between Superman/Goku, is far greater than Krillin/Frieza.

It's instant.....unless he is searching for someone in a crowd of million it takes like 5 seconds.(Like with Bulma)

Instant Transmission is only instant after he locks onto a ki signature, but he has to find one first before he can do it. Whereas movement speed is instantaneous, and can react on the fly with it. Superman actually see everything in ultra slow motion. For example, Louis Lane opens the door and tells Superman she wants champagne from another country, before she can even close the door or finish her sentence, Superman has already been to the other country, came back, prepared the champagne, and changed his clothes.
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5899/supespeed6kt.jpg

You have proof of that?

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/8592/moonbust4doqm1.jpg

btw Superman went 17x the speed of light in a fit of rage, to reach Saturn in 4 minutes

You are trolling right? You want to compare Doomsday to Majin Buu?

Majin Buu can die can't he? Doomsday cannot. Doomsday constantly evolves during the fight, and is fast enough to even tag Flash.

Now they are not. Yes there are moves like Final Flash, Kamehameha, Masenko, which are just ki blasts/beam. Solar Flare, Scatter Shot etc. aren't. You talk like you know so much, but you are ignoring larger parts of DB(Z).

Their main attacks ARE basically just ki blasts just slightly manipulated. Scatter shot is hardly any different. Solar Flare is one of the rare attacks that is actually quite different, though it wouldn't really have much affect on someone who can open their eyes in the core of a sun.

That's pure speculation on your part. This was never said by Goku or anywhere else. It was only said that he needed to sense the Ki of the person where he wanted to teleport to. Like with Bulma and across the galaxy/dimension it costed some effort. I dont think it would apply with an opponent right in front of you which has a distinctive power level.

It was said by Goku when he was describing it that he has to pinpoint a ki signature before he can teleport there. That alone makes it inferior to actual movement speed. Which logically would explain why he doesn't use every single time he needs to move in battle.

This argument is dishonest and plain retarded. We have seen DBZ fighters lift a thousand times more than a mere 40 tons. Besides, that was on the planet of the Kais. It would be unlikely that there would be the same gravity, especially when you take in account that Vegeta trained under 400G. That would make him weigh about 32000KG(80KG, which isn't unlikely for a very muscular average person times 400) and he did this in the ANDROID SAGA(Or even pre-Android saga, not sure). He wasn't even a Super Saiyan.......... And I already talked about the DBZ character being able to dodge FTL attacks.

You talk about people should learn about the character before they talk.... I remembered this stuff and I haven't watched DBZ in 8(!) years.

We HAVE seen Goku struggle with 40 tons in the other world. When did a DBZ fighter lift 40,000 tons? 80kg is definitely unlikely for someone around 165 cm. But it's besides the point, it doesn't matter if Vegeta, trains under 35 tons, can lift 4000, or 40,000 tons. It's still absolutely nothing compared to 40 billion tons.

DB characters can dodge ki attacks because they can sense ki before it's fired. They cannot sense Superman who naturally moves FTL.

My point is, you should learn about SUPERMAN before you make silly comments like "Superman is a cripple compared to Goku"

If they fought in a abandoned solar system, Goku would just blow it up. Really the magnitude of DB(Z) attacks are insane. The only reason they aren't doing it is because they endanger innocent life. They concentrate there attacks on the enemy. Heck if Roshi can blow up the moon with ease, Freeza can blow up a planet with his damn finger, I think it is fair to say that a SSJ3 can blow up multiple planets at once, maybe even a solar system.

I would vote for Goku, because he is a martial artist and more impressive attacks. Power wise, it's hard to tell, because Superman is very inconsistent.

Except no one in DBZ proved they can blow up a Solar System. It was stated that it took Majin Buu several YEARS to destroy HUNDREDS of planets. A being who lived only to destroy took YEARS to destroy HUNDREDS of planets, not even thousands.

 

[Reading Rainbow]

I think Goku would wtf stomp Superman


I honestly think Frieza could kill Superman lol

 

[Z Power]

As much as I love Goku, you guys need to stop uneducated assertions of Goku beating Superman. Goku is one of my most favorite characters but that doesn't mean I just spout random "Goku can beat anyone!!!!!!!'s out of nowhere.

I've just come to agree with the fact that the writers of Superman have given him far, far, faaaaaaaaaaar more power than Toriyama has ever had the chance to give Goku.

We've had one of these threads before so I'll just quote one of my research posts from it. You guys can go over the entire thread, there is a lot of good info in there.

I am pretty sure hleV could give much better factual evidence than someone who hasn't even finished watching Dbz, but still, I had to attempt this since there are a lot of issues with even comparing Supes and Goku. Also, I am about to turn this thread into a Goku vs Superman discussion. I am also about the incur the wrath of Emperor Zeonix, may he spare my soul.

For one, Supes is one of the most variable characters I've seen, from being unable to dodge bullets and lasers 1 2 3, to being able to immaterialize while standing still. From getting killed by Doomsday, to shrugging off punches from a fully angered Hulk. He folio ranges from getting pushed around by humans like Lex Luthor to defeating Gods (Dark Seid). It kinda becomes really hard to put a finger on what he can or cannot do. One second he can't lift a finger to defend against Kryptonite Batman, the very next he friggin survives a Nuclear Blast on an Island full of Kryptonite shards 1 2.

Even though the Dbz series really can't be said to have a realistic portrayal of strength development, there are atleast certain rules that the characters abide by. There is a limit to their current practical individual power. If you ignore the Transformations, you have a certain expectation of just how much damage they can deal and take. Nothing like that with Supes. He can destroy Solar Systems by sneezing, contain black holes using his bare hands, escape not just a single but double black holes 1 2 3 4 5. Its hard to match up against a hero who basically turns on God Mode whenever he feels like it.

However, in Dbz the Saiyans actually have one very special ability that has immense potential to destroy not only Supes, but anything ever (except Death). They don't have an upper power limit. They can basically keep on getting stronger and stronger and stronger until they die. While the Anime may not show it, it makes sense that there will come a time when after having their strenght increased exponentially so much, their own movement speed will exceed that of Instant Transmission. Again, I haven't seen Buu Saga so I am not sure if Goku even uses IT in SSJ3, or even that IT actually is limited by the speed of light.

Picollo was able to destroy the moon when his power level was a little above 1200. Goku's was 2,400,000,000,000 at SSJ3. And if he wanted, he could have single handedly destroyed Kid Buu, who had infinite Stamina and was nigh Indestructible, just like Supes. If Goku kept on Training, there will come a point where he'll surpass whatever imaginary limit Superman has, if he hadn't done so already in the manga. I am leaving GT out of this while discussion.

Basically, Supeman's abilities are all over the galaxy map, piting anything against him is blatantly stupid, simply because his new creators have given him God Mode. Remove that, Goku wins. Or use the Original Superman by Jerome Siegel and Joseph Shuster. It'll be the same either way.

Good day gents.

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