red storm is rising fast

[hellrider]

I have to use the bathroom, brown storm is rising fast.

i guess my topic was wrong, the name should be called "yellow storm is rising fast"

 

[Avenger]

Hellrider, you didn't give me a Christmas present this year, so could you do me a favour instead? Could you never post a single word about politics or current events ever again? Thanks!

I am confident that if I give a three-year-old crack cocaine, he will make more sense than you. Not that I would actually give a three-year-old crack cocaine, but you get the point (actually I can't be certain of this, but I'm hoping you do).

J-Dude, I'm just curious, did you ever hear about this guy named Adolph Hitler? He was a member of something called the Nationalistic Socialistic Worker's Party, and they were for a fact, elected and supported by their populace. It was a democracy (to a point, seeing as he manipulated and schemed his way into power - much like a monkey-like president I know of), yet genocide occurred.

Communism != Corruption

Corruption != Mass murders

Communism is much like anarchy. Great in theory, however, the flaws of mankind ruin the entire thing. Communism is not flawed, nor is anarchy. Mankind is flawed. Don't pin the problems on abstract things, when the problem is within reach.

 

[Zeonix]

I'm not going to comment about anything else in this thread because most of it is just bat**** crazy, but I'll address this line:

Communism is much like anarchy. Great in theory, however, the flaws of mankind ruin the entire thing. Communism is not flawed, nor is anarchy. Mankind is flawed. Don't pin the problems on abstract things, when the problem is within reach.

Using only what you said, communism is flawed because it doesn't take people into consideration. If your system of government or economic system is designed with a fairy tale version of mankind in mind, it is doomed to failure. You're absolutely right. We aren't perfect, we are flawed, and most people don't really want everyone to be equal. With that in mind, how can communism possibly work? Humans would have to forget who they are, basically rendering themselves inhuman, for such a system to work in the way that it was designed.

 

[Avenger]

Is a book flawed because someone is incapable of reading it?

 

[sub]

No, because every person that can't read it is perfectly capable of reading it, it does not go against human nature to read a book. Communism goes against the very basics of human nature.

 

[Zeonix]

Is a book flawed because someone is incapable of reading it?

The book is flawed if you write it in a language only you can read.

 

[Avenger]

Touché, which is why only the people understanding the language may read the book.

 

[Zeonix]

Except you're the only one who can read it, which makes it meaningless to everyone else in the world. They can try to get an idea of what the characters mean, or of what the general idea of the story is, but they are never truly able to understand it and embrace what you are saying. People believe they understand what Marx meant, but so very few ever truly come close to realizing his dream.

 

[Synth]

Touché, which is why only the people understanding the language may read the book.

Avenger, stop trying to draw attention from the point of the thread for yourself.

I look at it this way...

China, USA, and Russia have a responsibility to take care of this planet.

Why would they plan to market a new automobile in America, if they planned to kill everything.

 

[john_volkov]

All i can say is beep America and i hope they nuke America(sry for the guys on the forum who is in America i hope you guys stay alive)

 

[Synth]

All i can say is beep America and i hope they nuke America(sry for the guys on the forum who is in America i hope you guys stay alive)

What has America done to you?

 

[Avenger]

This isn't the first of April. Volkov just says what he gets from the media, he has no actual mind of his own. I doubt he even knows why he hates America. Me, I don't hate America. I just don't like the politicians there. I realize the consequences nuking a country like America would have on the world, not to mention myself. Thinking doesn't hurt when you get used to it Volkov. Gets better every time you try.

 

[Skiwan]

To be honest, whether you're a communist nation or a democratic nation there's always corruption, just communism makes that corruption a little more hard lined.

I'd rather not have any police power, American or China, I really think America does no favours for itself in interfering in all these affairs in the middle east, these nations are developing and should be left to do so on their own, all they're doing is building up more resentment and ill feelings, and not even in the countries they're interfering with. At least don't sell these nations weapons and then tell the country next door that they're arming up to incite war for more profitable gain.

What Synth said is right though, instead of the most powerful countries having some kind of penis size competition with their nukes and infantry, I'd rather see that time and effort spent feeding and clothing the poor, improving education and health services and making much bigger technological advances. That won't happen though, the bigger you are the more paranoid you are. Plus to hope that everyone could relax for 5 minutes and put down their guns would require some empathy, compassion and faith in your fellow man, and so far there hasn't ever been a country, religion or government who's been able impose that upon the world.

 

[J-Dude]

To be honest, whether you're a communist nation or a democratic nation there's always corruption, just communism makes that corruption a little more hard lined.

I'd rather not have any police power, American or China, I really think America does no favours for itself in interfering in all these affairs in the middle east, these nations are developing and should be left to do so on their own, all they're doing is building up more resentment and ill feelings, and not even in the countries they're interfering with. At least don't sell these nations weapons and then tell the country next door that they're arming up to incite war for more profitable gain.

What Synth said is right though, instead of the most powerful countries having some kind of penis size competition with their nukes and infantry, I'd rather see that time and effort spent feeding and clothing the poor, improving education and health services and making much bigger technological advances. That won't happen though, the bigger you are the more paranoid you are. Plus to hope that everyone could relax for 5 minutes and put down their guns would require some empathy, compassion and faith in your fellow man, and so far there hasn't ever been a country, religion or government who's been able impose that upon the world.

A nice idea, but really, I appreciate my country's focus on military might because it gives me a feeling of ultimate security. I enjoy knowing that Los Angeles isn't suddenly going to be attacked and that American soil is essentially a safe haven from foreign threats.

As to the "world police" thing, I don't really see it as such. The only example is the War on Terror, and that is designed to eliminate an indescriminate and scruple-less threat to anyone.

Last time I checked though, the reason we became a terrorist target in the first place was because the Afghans decided to be a bunch of phenomical ingrates and turn on us right after we supplied them with all they needed to defeat the Soviets who were constantly invading and bombing the **** out of their nation. And becuase we decided to drive tanks across their holy land, they turned the freaking RPG's WE gave them to shoot down Soviet gunships on us and yelled "Death to Americaaaaa!" and then all this **** started.

Iraq? Well sorry, but I never saw the threat in it; we tore into them like a pack of wolves in th initial invasion, and now we're just getting bled because they're regrouping after we've settled and making sneak attacks. I never really saw them as a paragon of terrorist influence like the people in Afghanistan who MATTER.

 

[Avenger]

No one would want to invade America. Too much hassle, what with all the guns and people not willing to give up their country and all. It'd be like Iraq, but with more guns and less sand.

You're a terrorist target because you decided to supply fanatics with guns. Great call. Now you pay the price.

Iraq should never have happened. That war was utterly pointless, and brought more misery than it brought peace.

No real war has been won, ever - that is, unless you count innocent and honourable men, women and children dying for causes basically worthless to the majority. Fabricating an excuse for making a war, then going to war, is in my eyes, terrorism. It was done to further the US government's agenda, and that is not any reason to go to war. Hell, the only thing justifying a war would be threat of utter annihilation and enslavement.

 

[J-Dude]

No one would want to invade America. Too much hassle, what with all the guns and people not willing to give up their country and all. It'd be like Iraq, but with more guns and less sand.

You're a terrorist target because you decided to supply fanatics with guns. Great call. Now you pay the price.

Iraq should never have happened. That war was utterly pointless, and brought more misery than it brought peace.

No real war has been won, ever - that is, unless you count innocent and honourable men, women and children dying for causes basically worthless to the majority. Fabricating an excuse for making a war, then going to war, is in my eyes, terrorism. It was done to further the US government's agenda, and that is not any reason to go to war. Hell, the only thing justifying a war would be threat of utter annihilation and enslavement.

You should watch "Charlie Wilson's War". We gave the Afghans the weapons for two reasons:

A: Because they were actually FIGHTING the Soviets where we couldn't without risking full-scale war that might make things so bad that we'd still be in the Cold War right now. They're depletion of Soviet forces was pretty much what ended the Cold War once and for all in our favor.

B: Because the living conditions of the people in Afghanistan were horrible with the Soviet invaders constant attacks, which were no so much battles as they were slaughter. 1/5 of the Afghans fled into Pakistan as refugees. Russian gunships attacked without discriminating between civilian, solider or animal. Children were getting their arms blown off from Soviet placed mines shaped intentionally like toys in order to force the fathers who might help the war effort to care for the wounded child. They were cruel sons of *****es. Anyone would have wanted to help them, and personally even now I dont regret having done so. I can't help but feel there must be some phenomenal misunderstanding between the Americans and the Afghans themselves for things to be as they are...

 

[Arthos]

And I bet people wonder why I'm so scarce these days.

 

[Skiwan]

Yeah it's an unrealistic ideal, and would take the entire would have to adopt the idea of de-militarisation. Which is why it will never happen... people are just too scared, leaders and government especially. There's big money in war.

I'm not so sure you understand quite what it is that fuels the anti-west terrorism in the middle east. The very fact that America decided to get involved in selling them weapons completely interfered with their own conflict, it's one thing to bring in peace treaty talks and help with negotiations, but it's another thing all together to supply arms, impose sanctions and favour one side over the other. Especially when religions are involved and favoured. It was their own dispute, it was completely inevitable that by doing anything other than democratically helping, it was going to make the interfering party an enemy of unfavoured side. It's one thing to stop a tyrannical regime on a conquest to invade and capture countries, something completely different when countries which have had their own problems for years are then given the upper hand by a more developed nation. I won't even bring religion into this, but yet again another sore spot that does nothing but divide each other and give people a reason to make enemies. The imposing of culture and government systems in countries that are not ready for it are yet again another reason to build resentment. To claim that the west has done nothing at all to deserve this conflict is simply arrogant. People do not give up their lives for no reason at all.

 

[J-Dude]

Yeah it's an unrealistic ideal, and would take the entire would have to adopt the idea of de-militarisation. Which is why it will never happen... people are just too scared, leaders and government especially. There's big money in war.

I'm not so sure you understand quite what it is that fuels the anti-west terrorism in the middle east. The very fact that America decided to get involved in selling them weapons completely interfered with their own conflict, it's one thing to bring in peace treaty talks and help with negotiations, but it's another thing all together to supply arms, impose sanctions and favour one side over the other. Especially when religions are involved and favoured. It was their own dispute, it was completely inevitable that by doing anything other than democratically helping, it was going to make the interfering party an enemy of unfavoured side. It's one thing to stop a tyrannical regime on a conquest to invade and capture countries, something completely different when countries which have had their own problems for years are then given the upper hand by a more developed nation. I won't even bring religion into this, but yet again another sore spot that does nothing but divide each other and give people a reason to make enemies. The imposing of culture and government systems in countries that are not ready for it are yet again another reason to build resentment. To claim that the west has done nothing at all to deserve this conflict is simply arrogant. People do not give up their lives for no reason at all.

That's very strange then. I know it's not liked by most of the surrounding nations that America supports Israel, but while we have shown them favor and given them equipment, we did the same thing for Afghanistan so they could defend themselves against the Soviets, albeit not for that long, but you'd think they'd show a bit of gratitude for giving them what they needed to save their people from the Communists before aiming their AK47's at us again for siding with Israel. They ASKED for our help and we gave it, and then they turned feral on us.

Although morally, despite what it's gotten us into, I can't regret helping Israel. You say we should never have gotten involved, but then where would Israel be? It probably woudn't EXIST anymore, absorbed by a surrounding nation who didn't recognize it's right to exist.

 

[Skiwan]

I know this sounds extremely harsh, but you're a developed nation, the countries over there are a hell of a lot younger in terms of how well developed they are, and so are the way they're run, they're sort of like how most countries in europe were 400-500 years ago. They should be left to their own devices, to learn develop at the rate they were, their natural development has been halted by the west exploiting their needs and helping them fight their disputes, if somebody had come to America during the civil war and favoured one side with a hell of a lot of weapons, stopped all trading with the other side and started to impose their own branches of Christianity your country and creating a debt that your country could never pay back, America would have turned into chaos too, with extremists and puritans attacking the interfering party in whatever desperate way they can.