Latest ver. SuperMAN vs. Super SAIYAN...A match?

[SS4 Gogeta]

Telekinesis isn't even close to being the same as shooting giant beams from your hands.

I think you may have misunderstood what I said. I dindt say telekinesis is the same as shooting beams I said, to Control the energy attacks. So in other words manipulate it, giving it shape and form. Without controlling it, itd probably be just a spherical explosion around the person releasing the energy.

 

[Zeonix]

I think you're trying to think of DBZ in realistic terms and that is a mistake. In all of dbz, Goku has used telekinesis once that I can remember. That was when he was struggling to lift a cup of water.

So no, Goku isn't the equivalent of that guy from Psi Ops. He has a basic understanding of the principle, but decided not to expand on that because big beams going boom are way more exciting to children.

 

[LionHeart]

I think you're trying to think of DBZ in realistic terms and that is a mistake. In all of dbz, Goku has used telekinesis once that I can remember. That was when he was struggling to lift a cup of water.

So no, Goku isn't the equivalent of that guy from Psi Ops. He has a basic understanding of the principle, but decided not to expand on that because big beams going boom are way more exciting to children.

in what episode did he do that?

 

[Grega]

in what episode did he do that?

When he was in the hospital after the Vegeta fight.

He lift the water from the cup and abbove his head. Than Chichi came in, he spuked and literaly wet himself (so to say) XD


@Zeonix Gogeta is actualy right.

Remember that piccolo allways trained in meditation. Basicly manipulating his power. Those pyramids he accidently blew up also take a count in that direction.

Power management is also why Ginyu only had 30000 PL in Gokus body. Telekinesis is actualy a form of manipulation similar to the big beams. Thats why beams require koncentration. Heck even Naruto folows this principle, exept without telekinethic abilities.

 

[Scruff]

And how often does he use telekinesis to stop people in mid-air or throw people around? Pretty much never. The amount of concentration required to use telekinesis would leave Goku open to attack, so it isn't used. Telepathy is a means of communication, so that wouldn't help much either.

Superman isn't weak against magic, but he has difficulty fighting it. Think of Dr. Strange. He's from Marvel yes, but that's the kind of magic Superman has a hard time fighting. Why? Because it's kind of hard to use brute force against something that's as esoteric and ethereal as magic.

Sad to correct you because you are right about everything here, Superman is the winner, easily, but he IS very weak against magic. The problem is his powers are based on the (DC comics) laws of physics, and magic is all about ****ing with them.

The thing is, Superman is meant to be indestructible and all powerful under a yellow sun. That's the point. Except for magic and kryptonite, two things that weaken him - but to be fair, never really pan out for anyone (because people, you're forgetting, he's not just all about his powers... he's got super intelligence too. Goku is, for all intents and purposes, a moron. Even if their powers are equal, he's still a ****ing genius by comparison.) - the only other way to take him out is too take away the Yellow sun. Even THEN, you have to wait until his charged up power (which is a ****-tonne) dissipates, or is used up. Goku's power is something he has to work for, something he's had to train to acquire. Superman is BORN with it. Teenage Superman would kick his ass for christsakes...

This whole thing is moot anyway, since Batman would be called in and take care of everybody.

 

[Zeonix]

....

Yeah, wtf is up with Batman being able to take out Superman? I remember watching Justice League or one of the series after that, and Batman was able to keep Superman from killing Darkside (killing him would have been suicide since everything was caving in around them) by jumping on his back and dragging him backwards. He didn't even have to use the kryptonite he always happens to have in his utility belt -_-.

Anyway, I was probably wrong about the magic, so Scruff wins there.

@ Grega: Notice how Piccolo wasn't fighting while he was using telekinesis. As I said, it requires an extreme amount of concentration, so it isn't a viable attack during a fight. The only person in DBZ who was able to use telekinesis in a heart beat was Guldo. Notice how Gohan and Krillin couldn't get out of that.

Technically, they're all weak against telekinesis too.

 

[MC]

Notice how Piccolo wasn't fighting while he was using telekinesis. As I said, it requires an extreme amount of concentration, so it isn't a viable attack during a fight. The only person in DBZ who was able to use telekinesis in a heart beat was Guldo. Notice how Gohan and Krillin couldn't get out of that.

Frieza uses telekinesis as well.

 

[Zeonix]

Frieza isn't fighting Superman. Goku is. Goku beat Frieza. Guldo was a better telekinetic than Frieza was. Why? Psionics was Guldo's specialization.

 

[jblaze101]

Wow.

Anyway superman flew across a universe and accidenlty blew it up.

superman can move earth.

who can win?

 

[Corefinder]

I just watched "SuperMan Returns" a few days ago, and became curious as I was constantly astounded by the new feats the latest version of Superman was capable of. Looking at DBZ, what I consider the set precedent for ultimate power, I realized a few similarities in ability, and even some which, amazingly enough, surpassed.

I saw him blow through objects with ease, something well known in DBZ. I saw him dive through lava unharmed, a thing which would kill even a Super Saiyan. He wasn't heavy in speed really. And to top it all off, I saw him lift an island off the ground and send out of orbit.

Tell me if this is old news, but I've never seen Superman so horribly overpowered. Not that we see DBZ characters doing too much extremely-heavy lifting, but for me, DBZ was always the limit of power; nothing approache it, and certainly nothing ever surpassed it. That seemed to be an unwritten rule; "you can't go over Dragonball Z".

So here I ask, with this sudden, stupidly absurdly huge bulk in power, would this new version of Superman, actually stand a CHANCE against a Super Saiyan?

(Sorry, but seeing that movie sorta' blew my preconceptions away)

(I havent seen the movie yet, or if i ever will, dont know.)
I would have to say, no.

Based on your description, superman lifted an island,
Well Piccolo juggled several pyramids (using his mind alone, dont remember when or where it was though.) and Vegeta blew up some planet (before comming to earth i mean, while he was still "weak").

Im figure superman dosnt stand mutch chance, against Krillin or Piccolo to begin with i mean.
(But i could be wrong, sience i havent seen the new movie yet.)

As for indestructible, i dont think he is indestructible, just difficult to harm.
But in case he is, then, well it will always be a draw, he cant beat up Piccolo and Piccolo cant beat him up.

Yes Goku might be a moron but hes power compensates it, (he did have som bright moments, i think he did) but Vegeta isnt so moron, neither Piccolo (so they say).

 

[Zeonix]

Superman lifted an island made of Kryptonite. The island was going to be large enough to cover the Atlantic from the equator up.

I want to see Goku lift an island made of Lava.

Just so you know, Islands weight just a tiny bit more than a pyramid. Think about it...

 

[Corefinder]

Superman lifted an island made of Kryptonite. The island was going to be large enough to cover the Atlantic from the equator up.

I want to see Goku lift an island made of Lava.

Just so you know, Islands weight just a tiny bit more than a pyramid. Think about it...

Pyramids with his mind alone.
Brolly succesfully survived lava, made him steam abit but otherwise he was all happy as ever.

And id figure island of lava is a bit difficult to lift cause i think it tends to fall apart.

 

[jp]

If Goku loses his shirt in the fight, then Superman can't win.

 

[Super Veggeto]

New? The old version of Superman was basically invincible. The oldest version of Superman couldn't fly though. Anyway, point being, there was a time when Superman was impossible to stop and he could do just about anything.

Completely overpowered Superman definately beats anyone from DBZ. The "newer" version, probably not.

Unless you use his weak point...Kryptonite.

Does Super Saiyans have a weak point this rough? I dont remember anymore =S

 

[Zeonix]

The old version of Superman wasn't weakened by anything. So no, kryptonite didn't weaken him.

If Superman's shirt gets slightly torn, he can't lose. That means he knows he won't be able to end the fight with words so he'll probably go all out. Goku, on the other hand, loses his shirt no matter what happens.

Piccolo may be able to lift pyramids with his mind, but Superman can tear apart the Universe.

Broly was shielded when he fell into the lava, hence it steaming up. Goku can't survive lava, hence him always avoiding it.

I'm sure with his amazing mind powers, Goku could simply shape the lava into a sphere. Oh wait. He doesn't have amazing mind powers.

I don't think you guys understand how powerful Superman is. They had to weaken him to make him less Super, and yet he's still kicking everyone's ass.

 

[jp]

Goku, on the other hand, loses his shirt no matter what happens.

Therefore, he is the victor.

He is allways the victor

 

[Zeonix]

As stated, Cell and Radditz killed him .

To be fair, I don't think he lost his shirt against Cell.

 

[Gon]

This is kind of like comparing oranges to apples.. but from what I've seen from Superman and DBZ.. it makes no sense whatsoever.

I still have my bets on Goku, only reason is because, I like him more than Superman, that's all. It doesn't mean I hate Superman.

 

[Super Veggeto]

The old version of Superman wasn't weakened by anything. So no, kryptonite didn't weaken him.

What Superman is that?

Are we talking about the original Superman?
I never heard of a Superman that isnt weakned by Kryptonite.

 

[Zeonix]

The original Superman didn't have any weaknesses. That was his weakness. People didn't like him because nothing could beat him. Ever. He was way too powerful, so they tried to tone him down to get people to identify with him.

For the record, the only DC character I like is Batman. I actually despise Superman because hes just too damn Super. Marvel characters may have powers, but they're people you can relate to.

"During a multimedia career spanning over sixty years, Superman has starred in nearly every imaginable situation, and his powers have increased to the point that he is nearly omnipotent. This poses a challenge for writers: "How does one write about a character who is nearly as powerful as God?" This problem contributed to a decline in Superman's popularity during the latter half of the 1960s and the 1970s, a period during which Marvel Comics brought a new level of character development to mainstream comic books."

Taken from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman

Nearly as powerful as God, people.