Xbox One

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I still hate Microsoft. Why couldn't they do this with the Windows 8 UI?

 

[DaRkOwNs]

Have you tried that Win7startmenu program? I think that's what it's called. Sets the default UI to a windows 7 similar desktop.

 

[Z Power]

I feel bad for Xbone now. lulz

 

[IFlip92]

If PC had all of the same games, I'd be fine sticking with it. But it doesn't. And that's a shame.

^This. I'm still holding a glimmer of hope that they might at some point bring Forza or GT on the PC. Soon it won't matter though, because there's some great racing sims coming out exclusively on PC soon.

 

[Ness]

the P.S. part had me in stitches, because it's so true

 

[IFlip92]

the P.S. part had me in stitches, because it's so true

That's retarded because I'm not worried about them watching me, I'm worried about who has access to that feed.

PS: Read this: https://medium.com/adventures-in-consumer-technology/a849a9d4d530
I feel rather bad for misjudging them now. I don't think any of us really understood what they were going for but that is Microsoft's fault because they didn't really present those features to the public to make them aware of them. To quote from that article:

"The root reason why Microsoft had to back down on their changes and make things stick with the way they are, it’s because they did a horrible job selling their new features and what they could have meant for the consumer."

 

[Ness]

Relax, no-one wants to see you naked.

 

[DaRkOwNs]

That's retarded because I'm not worried about them watching me, I'm worried about who has access to that feed.

PS: Read this: https://medium.com/adventures-in-consumer-technology/a849a9d4d530
I feel rather bad for misjudging them now. I don't think any of us really understood what they were going for but that is Microsoft's fault because they didn't really present those features to the public to make them aware of them. To quote from that article:

It's hard to argue for Microsoft on this one. I love the cloud networking idea, but there's really no reason to have the console connected once a day when you can just have the game connect it. The used game issue is a blaring problem, but it's one that has to be solved without inconveniencing consumers. We're selfish douchebags, and that's the way it always will be.

I'll read the rest of it later. It's true that Microsoft did a piss poor job of marketing the new features, but they were working against the populace to begin with.

 

[Zeonix]

You understand that with the X1, you would have been able to trade licenses with people in such a way that the publisher would make some money, and you'd be able to get whatever game on the cheap or for free, right? I don't understand what the obsession with physical copies is.

 

[fuzzy]

Relax, no-one wants to see you naked.

It's about privacy. Nothing more, nothing less. If people want to see me walking around naked, they're free to use their binoculars. I will, however, not invite them into my home.
There's simply no logic in the Kinect requirement. Unless of course they stuffed the hard drive in there. Which would make even less sense.

 

[Zeonix]

Of course there's logic in the kinect requirement. It's to assure developers that everyone has a kinect, and so they can develop games for that device or allow games that aren't kinect-specific to use the device for certain optional features (as is the case with Dead Rising 3, where the kinect will pick up sound in your house, etc alerting zombies of your presence) without fear of only 50% of the console owners actually using it or buying their games. It makes sense. I think the problem with the X1 isn't that it's an orwellian device hellbent on dismantling everyone's rights. It's just ahead of its time. If you guys seriously don't think that's the direction gaming is headed, and you can stave off progress forever, you're insane.

And really, they've already said you can turn off the kinect in the settings. If you don't want the camera on, it won't be on. If you don't want audio on, it won't be on.

 

[fuzzy]

Sure, everyone will have a Kinect. But why does it have to be connected all the time? Even when there are, as you say, options to turn it off completely.
I interact with games with my controller and nothing else. Everything else ought to be optional in regular games.

 

[Zeonix]

Its connected because the X1 is connected. I'm not seeing the issue here. If you don't want it on, turn it off. If the camera still scares you, do what I was going to do and cover the lens and the IR lenses and whatever else it comes with. The only reason I'm against the kinect is because I'm not moving around when Im playing a game. I find no joy in flailing my arms about. All the other shit? Whatever, it either adds to whatever game I'm playing or its unnecessary so I can just eliminate it from my experience.

 

[DaRkOwNs]

I don't even personally think people reacted so strongly because they were against the changes. People seem to naturally want to resist unavoidable requirements.

I don't mind digital copies of games, it's just that up until now there was really no reason not to have them. Games run just as fast on a physical copy and it doesn't take up more than a few megabytes of space, which is a big deal when we look at the Wii U. But now that both PS4 and Xbone have 500g drives out the door, it's not really a big deal. I -prefer- physical copies because it's easier to prove you have them and requires no download if you want to play on a friends, but if I could get them cheaper on download I would be entirely alright with digital.

 

[Zeonix]

What's not to like about digital copies attached to an account? Your console can get trashed and your house can get firebombed and it wouldn't matter because you account isn't in your home. Thats the beauty of steam, and its a system Microsoft tried to bring to consoles. Yeah, I agree that they did it kind of ham fistedly and were both incredibly arrogant and terrible at feeding information to existing and potential customers. But once that hate train started, there was no stopping it. That's why even though they did an "Xbox One-80", people are still giving them shit. It's just a giant circle jerk at this point. Sony isn't the good guy in this. They're simply sticking to the status quo. Had Microsoft succeeded in rolling out their product, Sony would have jumped on that shit immediately. People fear what they don't understand. Microsoft didn't illuminate their plan, and they got bitten.

 

[Slofreak]

You understand that with the X1, you would have been able to trade licenses with people in such a way that the publisher would make some money, and you'd be able to get whatever game on the cheap or for free, right? I don't understand what the obsession with physical copies is.

Publishers already make money when you buy the game. It's more a problem of private game shops or people that massivly resell these games much, much cheaper like 15,10,5$ per game. Also it's up to a publisher whatever or not to give a Discount or a bonus free game. While Microsoft won't get any fee and Microsoft Studios will allow trade in your games at retailers, other game publishers will have free choice to allow or disallow reselling.

Also I don't see a problem in trading games in digital or in physical form or selling games in digital or physical form. Microsoft defenetly made a lot of changes since the first reveal. Suddenly now there is no region lock. Will it change anything for me? So far PS4 offer's same if not better hardware for a lot less and I don't need a PS4 eye or a xbox connect. If i wanna webcam chat i use webcam on my pc or laptop. Motion gaming is just silly right now for me.

[video=youtube;xcXdWRJ-xb4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcXdWRJ-xb4[/video]

 

[Zeonix]

Publishers already make money when you buy the game. It's more a problem of private game shops or people that massivly resell these games much, much cheaper like 15,10,5$ per game. Also it's up to a publisher whatever or not to give a Discount or a bonus free game. While Microsoft won't get any fee and Microsoft Studios will allow trade in your games at retailers, other game publishers will have free choice to allow or disallow reselling.

Also I don't see a problem in trading games in digital or in physical form or selling games in digital or physical form. Microsoft defenetly made a lot of changes since the first reveal. Suddenly now there is no region lock. Will it change anything for me? So far PS4 offer's same if not better hardware for a lot less and I don't need a PS4 eye or a xbox connect. If i wanna webcam chat i use webcam on my pc or laptop. Motion gaming is just silly right now for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcXdWRJ-xb4

Publishers make money the first time you buy the game. They make nothing on reselling. That's why they charge us $60. If they made a percentage on resales, it'd be a non-issue and the price of games could feasibly go down as they'd make up for it on used games. Everything that was good about the X1 is off the table, and its to appease traditionalists.

 

[Grega]

Basically if there was no reselling of games, then we would have more discounts ala STEAM.

 

[pumadace2000]

Question: why are they taking, or considering taking the digital thing out completely. They could still have it. People who want to use it can use it. They want to make a console version of steam and have deals in there so that the used games get flushed out? Why not already start making steam-style deals so that people will actually have a reason to use the system and say why get a used game when they can use this offer they've just seen on the store to get it there and get a legit game and have the benefits of having a legit game? What there is barely a difference between used and legit copies in most game cases? Well there's your problem.
What they tried to do may have been a form of evolution, but evolution rarely comes easy and rarely without some sort of price. The idea is to make that price seem reasonable for the people. Paraphrasing from Assassin's Creed: "People cannot be forced directly into it. They need to be eased in."
Question 2: Game developers why not follow in the Arkham games and Mass Effect 2 footsteps and lock some content that isn't that important, but that will be slightly in your face out from used games out and release it as free DLC for those who buy the game legitimately?

I like how some people claim to hold the DRM BS that they proposed in high esteem and now get all angry because their precious family share got taken away, (which is a load of bollocks btw because they can implement that anyway they just took it away to be d**ks about people complaining about their BS), and then they mention steam and it's contribution to eliminating used games from the PC market almost entirely, yet forget how Steam actually proceeded to making possible. Hint:They started doing something that was more attractive for the customers. Seriously when was the last time you have ever seen something that could even remotely resemble a steam-like deal for a console game, both Xbox and PS. How many of their games are still at or close to full price even if it's been a while since they got released.

 

[Grega]

Oh dont get the wrong idea. The DRM is still there. Its just that instead of having 2 DRMs they now have 1 in the form of cloud computing. It can still cause you to not be able to play single player games because your net is down. It can also cause you glitches if you have a bad connection.