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Cloud processing, not cloud. You can disable cloud in the settings, but cloud processing means that the game does some of its processing online. Basically like Sim City works. While it is optional, quite a few companies have already shown a great interest in using it, since its essentially an always on DRM with added functionality, that may nor may not even be used outside of having the bloody game connect to the web 24/7
 
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Yep, insanely useful. It's not -really- drm, but it can and will be used as such. It's mainly something to make the games bigger and better without relying on a single processor. Something I can definitely get behind, as long as it stays optional for the console.
 
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What I don't understand is why they didn't present these features...:
• If you purchased a physical disc game, your game was tied to your account and you could go to any other Xbox One and be able to have access to your entire library without carrying physical discs around

• You could re-sell your physical disc game to Gamestop or any participating outlet that opted into Microsoft’s revenue sharing system

• You could buy a used physical disc game from a participating retailer and play it like a new game

• You could install all your games onto your hard drive and not have to get up all the time to swap discs

• You could buy a digital copy and sell it or gift it to a friend (a previously unheard-of policy in digital games)

• You could potentially share your entire library with 10 friends/family members, with the only limitation being that you couldn’t play the same game at once

These were fantastic new features that were only available because Microsoft had the very reasonable expectation that you authenticate once a day to make sure you owned the game and didn’t just dump your entire library to someone and they were able to play all your games forever. Well, all of those features are gone now.
...first thing at their E3 Presentation and THEN go on and say because of these exciting new features we will have to have always online and 24 hour check-ins bla bla. More people would have been onboard with it. Speaking from experience if you start talking about the bad points of something first, you have already created the impression in the person's mind that that something is bad. Whereas people are more susceptible to "forgive" drawbacks if they like the positive points first. F*** me I should've done Microsoft's presentation! The guy in charge of that should be fired.

I mean I admit, I was one of the people that contributed towards creating the bad imagine for Xbox One's original "features" because of the fact they didn't present those features to me, the consumer, at all. I had no clue they existed until they got taken away?! Now I want them back because they sound so much better than continuing on this current gen path so wtf do we do now lol?
 
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Too late. Everyone was to busy jerking each other off on the hate train to actually research the X1.
 
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Too late. Everyone was to busy jerking each other off on the hate train to actually research the X1.
Yeah woops. Sorry about that.

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Me is stupid, sooo...
Has anyone heard about yet another controversy surrounding The War Z?

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It was still Microsoft's fault on that one, and I myself am still against online requirements to the point where I wouldn't have bought it anyway. They definitely put on an air of "deal with it" rather than explain the finer points on stage, when they had the rapt attention of millions of people worldwide.
 
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My biggest fear with the X1 is its architecture. I'm not confident that it isn't going to overheat and die or suffer some catastrophic meltdown.

Which is why my PS4 is going to self destruct. Loki and I have a little thing going, I guess.
 
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Heh, that's really no joke. I was surprised the PS4 was so small, considering the heat output of the gpu and processor. Must have a hell of a cooling system.
 
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I wonder if the skewed design was intended to disperse heat or something.
 
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its quite possible. maybe its got a liquid cooling pipe system like a lot of todays CPU heatsinks do. Those things work wonders. Lol now I want to see its guts...
 
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its quite possible. maybe its got a liquid cooling pipe system like a lot of todays CPU heatsinks do. Those things work wonders. Lol now I want to see its guts...
Low level liquid cooling systems are crap. Like I know people with the £60 Corsair entry level liquid cooling (the H60 I believe) that achieve the same temps as people with high spec fans that cost just about as much. And I can't imagine them putting a £100 system in any of the consoles with those price points. Nice wishful thought though ^^.

Here's an abstract of a guy's Youtube comment on a video I was watching:
"Next gen consoles are running a laptop processor that's equivalent to a 3 year old desktop processor at best, a 2 year old video card, and only 8 gigs of GDDR5 ram that's split between the processor and the GPU..."
While I don't agree on the CPU part because it is after all an 8 core with 64 bit capability, he's mostly right. So I said it before and I will say it again. These newer consoles are merely playing catch-up with PC technology. Long gone are the days when a console comes out future-proof. I expect to see new consoles again in the next 3 years.

They just need to get away from those laptop-sized coolers they had on the old systems and move up to PC spec 12-14cm fans. I mean even the Xbox Slim was getting quite warm, and with the flimsy lead-free solder used these days because of legislation, it is way too easy to melt it and render hardware unusable unless re-soldered. Problem is they keep trying to make the boxes slimmer, chocking them of the much needed ventilation and restricting space for bigger and better cooling. I don't see them having better cooling than your high-spec laptop! And compared to laptops consoles are meant to be played for large chunks of time! I can see them failing within 1-2 years of extensive use easily.
 
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I pre-ordered a PS4. Not because I'm a PS fanboy, I have owned an xbox 360 for 4ish years. But PS4 just sold me better on their system than Microsoft during their presentations. So for now I'm going to get the PS4, and play that. When Microsoft works the kinks out of their console, I'll probably end up buying one eventually.
 
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Don't really care much for what a console could have done, or is going to do. I just refuse to support companies that don't stick to their game plan because they are afraid of losing out. Wasn't the clamor of fans that changed MS's mind.. was the lack of $ flowing in. I understand that they are a company, and as such, their first objective is really to make money.. but how can you trust a company when they keep flip flopping business practice? It's at the point where you buy their console, and all that's stopping them from going back to the way things were planned to work on day one, is a software update. Something most people would think they could avoid until it came out that to play any new games, it would have to be updated. Shady business is shady business, no matter the color you paint it.

Also, the issue most people had with the locking the game to your account thing was not being able to lend your games to as many friends as you wanted. I could lend my copy of Uncharted 4 to my buddy, then another friend ask to borrow it and just get it from my other friend. Add to that, I would only be able to sell the game where they saw fit, instead of letting me sell my game where I could make the most money from it. That's the issue I've always had with digital gaming. I paid for it, but I can't do anything else with it once I'm done with it? Things like that shouldn't fly. If I paid for my TV, but then was gifted a bigger TV for a holiday, I should be able to sell that first one as I see fit. That's the issue with a digital gaming market in the eyes of most consumers. You buy something, but you don't really own it. As owning it would mean I can do with it as I please.
 

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Mac, I don't understand how you can be mad at Microsoft for no longer including anti-consumer mechanisms such as their restrictive DRM. They took out something that was legitimately bad for the consumer, I seriously doubt you or anyone else was looking forward to having to validate their games once every 24 hours or else not being able to play.

Yes, they changed their plans, but everyone changes their plans. People, companies, animals, whatever -- People change their minds all the damn time.
 
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Mac, I don't understand how you can be mad at Microsoft for no longer including anti-consumer mechanisms such as their restrictive DRM. They took out something that was legitimately bad for the consumer, I seriously doubt you or anyone else was looking forward to having to validate their games once every 24 hours or else not being able to play.

Yes, they changed their plans, but everyone changes their plans. People, companies, animals, whatever -- People change their minds all the damn time.
I wasn't ever buying the console to begin with. So it didn't effect me personally what they decided to do. But the points I made about being able to trust a company that changes their business practices like their underwear still stand. You can't trust someone like that. It's a business.. not your weird friend down the street.
 
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They'll still end up selling a shit ton of Xboners, bad guy or not. Playstation 4 will also have a big buyout come release. I'm expecting Wii U sales will be picking up pretty heavily here soon, too.

All 3 consoles have that seem to have that one game that everyone for or against either console wants. And, of course, the classics on Wii U will sell the console since you can only get them ON wii u.
 
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I disagree that they changed their practices and entire mission statement like they do their underwear. It took an enormous level of backlash for Microsoft to final dial back and give the consumers what they want. And yes, it is a business, and a business, first and foremost, must make money. It was looking like only the most hardcore of Xbox owners would flock to the X1 before they altered their approach in lieu of Sony's decisions. While I won't be buying an X1 at launch, mostly because of reservations I have in regard to the failure rate of the hardware, but I'm certainly more open to purchasing it in the future than I was previously.
 

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But the points I made about being able to trust a company that changes their business practices like their underwear still stand. You can't trust someone like that. It's a business.. not your weird friend down the street.
The console isn't even out yet. It's not like they sold you a product and then decided to change their policy. The thing is still in development.
 

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