SSJ3 Broly?! WTF?

[It's over One Million!]

1. So, LSSJ Broly is stronger than any SSJ2 (DbzWiki).
2. Don't forget that Broly LSSJ and SSJ3 will not tire like Goku SSJ3, because "Legendary Saiyan" has unlimited power (energy).
3. Broly was not defeated by SSJ1 Gohan, SSJ1 Goten and SSJ1 Goku's Kamehameha because he just exploded in a star (kamehameha's power was too low).

 

[Deathshot]

Non-Canon means it doesnt exist in the Dragonball World. Anything that happened in GT was just a dream basically.

 

[Big Finish]

But guys...I guess LSSJ is not a normal transformation, I mean it's just like USSJ but such that the speed doesn't decrease with strength. Broly was abnormal among Saiyans with an uncanny powerlevel. So he became something twisted named LSSJ. In the movie, Broly was called Legendary all along, but it was never clearly mentioned that the form he had transformed to was known as LSSJ but even DBWiki calls that LSSJ so I dunno wat.... And the actual Legendary Super Saiyan I guess was a Golden Great Ape..or Golden Oozaru..One which appears after 3 millennia...

 

[Deathshot]

LSSJ = USSJ10 pretty much. Just no Speed Degrading.


Also. Here is a true Confirmation. 2:47

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvuG_FpKGmw[/ame]

 

[hleV]

Anyway, guys, did you notice that in "Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan" Broly's Control device effect (that gave Broly lime green hair and aura color) has worn off (06:35)?
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SKBUOB99a4[/ame]
and in "Broly: Second Coming" beginning he had lime green hair? It might have looked like that because of his green shield thing (makes sense since I see some green lightning around him at that moment) (00:49):
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg545sn3vdY[/ame]
What do you think?

EDIT: Never mind. It seems that after the green lightning worns out, his hair reverts to yellow color.

 

[Vegeta]

Why do people still overestimate Broly?

He was a threat to 'SSJ1' at the time, and later he is overpowered by SSJ1 children.

Don't you guys see the decline of such a monsterous and ridiculous character.

 

[hleV]

Why do people still overestimate Broly?

He was a threat to 'SSJ1' at the time, and later he is overpowered by SSJ1 children.

Don't you guys see the decline of such a monsterous and ridiculous character.

If you're talking about Bio-Broly, you fail since it's not the original Broly. SSJ2 Gohan couldn't defeat Broly alone.

 

[Vegeta]

If you're talking about Bio-Broly, you fail since it's not the original Broly. SSJ2 Gohan couldn't defeat Broly alone.

Perhaps it's you who fails at being knowledgable of the DBZ universe, since you referred to a SS1 Gohan as a "SS2", despite obvious indicators he didn't use SS2 in combat in the non-canon films or even in the era of the story he appeared at that age.

 

[Mephisto]

I never really understood the "epicness" of Broly, nor why he was liked so much, He isn't a real charecter, not anymore then "lord slug" "Super Android 13" etc. He was just randomly created for the movie so they could make a little more cash out of the DBZ universe.

 

[Deathshot]

Perhaps it's you who fails at being knowledgable of the DBZ universe, since you referred to a SS1 Gohan as a "SS2", despite obvious indicators he didn't use SS2 in combat in the non-canon films or even in the era of the story he appeared at that age.

You can't really state weather he was SSJ or SSJ2 due to no real proof. He could still go SSJ2 but I believe he was scared to use that power. Like how he was fighting cell.

Also, I dunno if it would really be LSSJ3 or SSJ3. Most people have listed it as SSJ3. So if so he will drain energy, but he does have a surplus of energy.

 

[hleV]

you referred to a SS1 Gohan as a "SS2", despite obvious indicators he didn't use SS2

Fans argue that Gohan didn't go Super Saiyan 2 against Broly due to the absance of electricity in his aura. However, it should be noted that the 6th Daizenshuu confirmed that Gohan was Super Saiyan 2 during the fight with Broly, and that the only reason the bio-electricity was not present is because they forgot to add it in.

Wake up. Anyway here's an explaination how to tell if Gohan is SSJ or SSJ2. The trick is in the hair on Gohan's forehead. SSJ1 Gohan's hair doesn't seem to change a lot from his base form's hair except turning gold.

And this is SSJ2 Gohan's hair (can't see that in this picture but they stand more, but looking to forehead is everything you need):

So then, "Second Coming's" LSSJ Broly was a lot stronger than SSJ2 Gohan, but I doubt if "The Legendary Super Saiyan's" Broly was that strong.
Mystic Gohan's changes are more interesting ones though.

Now we can get back to LSSJ3 Broly.
I see that this LSSJ3 Broly still has the color effect of the control device. I wonder if there is going to be a normal, golden-like LSSJ3 Broly. And what about just SSJ3 Broly?

 

[Big Finish]

Well guys, I guess everybody is kind of forgetting the fact that Goku couldn't sustain SSJ3 for too long coz he didn't practice much and rarely used it, if SSJ3 is a complete transformation and not being stuck somewhere between SSJ4 and SSJ2, then it can also be mastered such that there is minimum KI drain, like they mastered SSJ1 and later SSJ2.
And there can't be any such thing as LSSJ3. LSSJ itself is a mutative transformation, I guess it's like pushing the strength of SSJ2 at it's fullest, like USSJ is pushing the strength of SSJ1 at it's fullest. And the reason Broly didn't lag in LSSj is that he was fighting with SSJ1 and thus even if he did, he'd still seem fast enough. Like you can't get to SSJ2 while in USSJ form, u can't get to SSJ3 in LSSJ form. And the Ki drain isn't obvious for SSJ3, if it can be mastered then there'll be enough conservation of energy.

 

[hleV]

Noone has ever stated that you can't go SSJ2 while USSJ.

LSSJ is an additional transformation to what you already have IMO. Like Broly could even go Legendary in his base form, but he never felt the need for it or his body in base form couldn't handle it. So if Broly is SSJ, he can go LSSJ. If SSJ2, he can go LSSJ2. If he's SSJ3, he can go LSSJ3. Remember that it's my opinion though.

SSJ3 is a complete transformation like SSJ and SSJ2. SSJ3 Gotenks didn't seem to have much ki drain, so I guess SSJ3 can also be mastered.

 

[ESCachuli]

I think you dont understand is a movie. If Gohan is better drawn is because movies are (usually) better drawn than series. If he only has one "hair thingy" in his forehead is because is better drawn. For Toei SSJ2 doesn't exist, only in Bojack movie.
For me, Broly in his first movie has the power of perfect Cell, and in his second movie the power of Super Perfect Cell. But Super Perfect Cell only has the half power of Teen Gohan. 16 year's old Gohan can't go SSJ2 when he wish. In fact, he only goes SSJ2 when he shows it to Kibito, and he last a lot of time. In the movie, Gohan transformed in a second. If he was SSJ2, why he transformed instantly? He can't. he is a SSJ in that movie. Broly was toying with him, but SSJ and SSJ2 are very far each other. Any SSJ2 can obliterate him with half their power.

 

[hleV]

Daizenshuu (Toriyama) confirmed that Gohan was SSJ2, so you shouldn't argue.
Transforming to SSJ2 instantly isn't a problem to Gohan if really needed. He mastered that form at being 11 years old. TOEI might have drawn their movies better since they didn't need to look how it's drawn in manga. But TOEI knows how does Gohan look in SSJ and SSJ2 forms.
We could argue about Super Perfect Cell's power but I don't feel like doing so.

BTW Gohan is 18, not 16.

 

[ESCachuli]

Daizenshuu (Toriyama) confirmed that Gohan was SSJ2, so you shouldn't argue.
Transforming to SSJ2 instantly isn't a problem to Gohan if really needed. He mastered that form at being 11 years old. TOEI might have drawn their movies better since they didn't need to look how it's drawn in manga. But TOEI knows how does Gohan look in SSJ and SSJ2 forms.
We could argue about Super Perfect Cell's power but I don't feel like doing so.

BTW Gohan is 18, not 16.

You can say whatever you want. Toriyama colaborated with Daizenshuu, but who tells you he participated in movies apart from designs? I still maintain my position. But there is no problem, you like some chars I dislike, but that is no problem.
I think Broly is powerful, but not as powerful as a SSJ2, he is very far from that power, as far as Cell.

 

[KYnetiK]

LSSJ isnt a form, its an identity. Broly is a very unique saiyajin in that he had this overwhelming, seemingly infinite pool of ki at his disposal. What we call LSSJ is simply Broly tapping into that large reservoir. Its not merely a glorified USSJ transformation, because Broly is unique as a saiyajin, and in his ki, not to mention a lot experience in using it.

Youve also got to understand how his mental instability and one track mind compound his destructive power as a saiyajin. I believe an SSj2 would put up a fight against Broly, but his whole sense of character trumps basing assertions on mere powerlevel differences, almost how the character traits of Goku make the powerlevel of his opponents unnecessary.

I may be wrong, but I always associated the green aura with Brolys natural ki, not because of the control device. The device merely inherited that colour because it was channelling and constraining his ki to begin with.

 

[hleV]

You can say whatever you want. Toriyama colaborated with Daizenshuu, but who tells you he participated in movies apart from designs? I still maintain my position. But there is no problem, you like some chars I dislike, but that is no problem.
I think Broly is powerful, but not as powerful as a SSJ2, he is very far from that power, as far as Cell.

I failed about Toriyama, sorry. I meant TOEI. Anyway Gohan was SSJ2 and you can't deny it since it's confirmed by the creators. Plus there would be no reason for Gohan not to transform into SSJ2 since he has mastered it long ago. Note that this movie most likely taken part after Gohan trained with Goten.

Broly was less powerful in "Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan" and he got defeated by a strong 5x full-power-SSJ (weakened BTW) punch.
After getting a Zenkai (there's no other explaination) he easily outmatched SSJ2 Gohan but still got defeated by 3x full-power SSJ Kamehameha, but only because trunks prevented Broly from pushing his attack further.

To tell you the truth, I don't believe that SSJ2 Goku could take "Second Coming's" Broly alone. Vegeta's self-destruct attack, seen in his attempt to destroy Majin Buu, might just do the trick though.

LSSJ isnt a form, its an identity. Broly is a very unique saiyajin in that he had this overwhelming, seemingly infinite pool of ki at his disposal. What we call LSSJ is simply Broly tapping into that large reservoir. Its not merely a glorified USSJ transformation, because Broly is unique as a saiyajin, and in his ki, not to mention a lot experience in using it.

Youve also got to understand how his mental instability and one track mind compound his destructive power as a saiyajin. I believe an SSj2 would put up a fight against Broly, but his whole sense of character trumps basing assertions on mere powerlevel differences, almost how the character traits of Goku make the powerlevel of his opponents unnecessary.

I may be wrong, but I always associated the green aura with Brolys natural ki, not because of the control device. The device merely inherited that colour because it was channelling and constraining his ki to begin with.

Yes, Broly, the legendary super saiyan, has an unique form. It doesn't really have a name, so we simply call it LSSJ since only the legendary one can achieve it.
I have always thought that Broly LSSJ form's color is not golden, but lime green. Until I got a-make-sense explaination why he didn't have that color in his second appearance in "Broly: Second Coming". Anyway it's true that Broly has some kind of green color, but not in aura or hair.
The control device gave Broly some kind of violet-blue color while in SSJ form since it still controlled him in some way. Once Broly got out of Paragus' control, the color went lighter - lime green. That may be because he still had a device part on his chest or/and maybe that green color still left around him for some time after he got out of the control. I doubt if it is ever gonna be explained so let's leave this part as it is.

 

[Deathshot]

I think LSSJ would just be like USSJ10 or something. Like Trunks with USSJ and all.

But on Topic. It is being listed as SSJ3 but what I dont get is, when he was SSJ his pupils showed, and normal SSJ3 showed Goku and Gotenk's Pupils. So wouldnt that mean Broly's Pupils would show?

 

[KYnetiK]

But Broly is a unique, LEGENDARY character. You cant make assumptions based on other characters traits. Even if the only true reason for this difference is that no pupils looks 'cool', hes a legendary character, so I think he's free to go beyond some boundaries of logic.