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As I said, I visited the site occasionally. I saw what I saw. Aside from that rather egotistical statement that "ZEQ2 was unlike any mod/game" being both subjective and irrelevant--I never questioned your 'goals.' I stated specifically, several times that I wasn't accusing or "bashing" ZEQ2 of anything--I was talking about the probability of your (and any other DBZ-based modification) having received legal requests for cessation by Funimation.Zeth said:So... you basically had no interest in the project whatsoever, knew a minimum about it, and based your opinion entirely from other mods/projects in general. Odd, that is. Had you actually known a bit about the project you would have known that ZEQ2 was unlike any mod/game in creation and as a result not comparable. Our goals stemmed far FAR deeper than merely DBZ-based aspects.
Regardless of intent and your wishes, I have the right to participate in any discussion offered on our forums. I didn't dislike or like ZEQ2.Zeth said:But hey, I guess you have complete rights to your own opinions and all. No offense intended, but it would probably be beneficial if you kept your thoughts to yourself if they don't effect you in some fashion though. It's one thing to dislike something, but it's an entirely different concept to openly address that contempt.
Is this a joke? This makes no sense. Did I waltz into your "restaurant" (or forum) and declare how "people shouldn't like it"? I have done absolutely nothing to "propagata hatred." I'm sorry if you wish to avoid scrutiny--if you really did wish it, there would be a more highly defined reason on your main site, something not quite so contrived sounding.Zeth said:Let's hypothesize a similar situation. We shall assume you don't like a certain restaraunt because you do not enjoy fish. Would you honestly walk in and declare to the customers that they shouldn't eat here because you do not enjoy the products? I suppose you could. Thinking logically though, it would probably agitate the situation causing both issues with the management and customers.
If it would clearly benefit noone, has no real impact on you, and cause more issues than it could potentially help, why would you honestly want to propagate hatred?
I already addressed this. What does a company like Funimation, who doesn't make games, only lends their license to other companies to do so, have to gain from stopping something that would probably increase their revenue, if anything?Zeth said:Once the ball is rolling and a game/mod is in mass distribution, it becomes quite a bit more difficult to actually stop the momentum. I assume by attacking a threatening game, such as ZEQ2, early on while in development, such issues of copies floating around anonymously could be avoided.
Assuming they had the intention of stopping a mod--would they be likely to target an already established one like DMZ and ESF, or nip them in the bud? As I said previously, stopping mods like ESF would prevent further development, leading even more quickly to the inevitable obscurity of the game. In the case of ZEQ2, prevent it from potentially detracting from potential profit (again, which is impractical). Funimation has nothing to gain, aside from enforcing principle (which they have never been known to do).
They probably do. But there's no way to know. In any case, even in that case, there's always a subjective decision at the point of the intellectual property holder whether or not to enforce the finding of an independent firm. Aside from Bid For Power's claim that Funimation shut them down (widely believed to be yet another 'false allegation of legality') there haven't been any other incidents that I (nor anyone I talk to) have heard of.Zeth said:Having such a confidence in your own words, surely you realize that Funimation probably outsources it's lawyers and, even in the event of a local legal department on-site, communication for legal affairs would probably be at a minimum. Funimation basically hires people to look out for it's intellectual property and leaves things at that.
Asking another department why it handled a certain legal affair a certain way would probably be fruitless. It's the equivalent of asking a police officer why he created a certain law. He didn't make the laws, he merely enforces those that were.
This is purely speculation. Do you really think the fact that ESF is on Steam would impede Funimation from exercising their rights as license-holder in court?Zeth said:The fact that ESF has yet to recieve a C&D is partly because of it's engine attachments. From what I hear, Half-life has seperate licensing obligations to Steam as well as Valve. There are additional complications involved with handling a Cease & Desist in that regard.
This is also purely speculative, and entirely void of fact.Zeth said:Additionally, Funimation might not feel as much of a threat from ESF as it does ZEQ2. While ESF tramples any released DBZ game in terms of gameplay and mechanics, it does not do so in terms of graphical capability (due to the engine's limitations). Although I think some of us agree that gameplay and mechanics are primary factors in a game, the current market seems to say otherwise in favor of graphics being the favorite. ZEQ2 itself was probably deemed a threat to the current commercial DBZ games that are in development and released -- thus causing an effect on profits.
Like I said, I have no personal interest in ZEQ2--I did visit the website and reported upon what I saw here. I have no grudge against you or your team. I have merely commented upon a vague and suspect reason for abandoning the project.
Like I said immediately prior to your post, my opinion on the subject has been voiced. I have no desire to continue the discussion, but I will respond if necessary.