Anime Forum Section?

[Deman]

I voted no. I don't think anime is has been a big burden in offtopic anyways, and I feel like there's a lot of forums already.

 

[grOOvy]

I'm going to vote no . . . Anime works quite well in off topic, requiring no special section.

I also see no reason to include it in general, since it fits under off topic better than General about the mod. Further, an anime section will invariably draw talk of downloading episodes . . . an uber nono on this board.

Just because it fits or works well in Off-topic is no reason to stop anything from having it's own section. ESF is based on Dragonball Z which is an anime, this community is full of people who like and follow various anime series. What's the problem with having a section dedicated to anime talks and discussions? A new series breaks out literally every week and there are a lot of people who follow a lot of series, and there are also the super-popular series like Dragonball Z and Naruto which have a fan base wide enough to fill up thousands of threads. Weigh the pro's and cons of having such a section, also considering the popularity of the forums, and how easy/hard it would be to suppress those cons - and you'll have your answer.

As for having Anime under off-topic, you're right there - since I realized that General is mostly for general discussions related to the mod, and Off-topic is an exception only because every forum needs an off-topic place.

And as for talk about downloading episodes, trust your team of forum staff Cuc (which I know you do) - there shouldn't be any problem keeping things under control if we have laid down the correct rules and remain vigilant against links and download-talk.

 

[assaf]

Yes. An anime foum would be good, since the large/vast/ridiculos/meow/major amount of posts about anime in the off topic forum.

 

[Rayna]

I think it would be a good idea, so I voted yes, thou its nothing vitaly necesary :]

 

[DiebytheSword]

Just because it fits or works well in Off-topic is no reason to stop anything from having it's own section. ESF is based on Dragonball Z which is an anime, this community is full of people who like and follow various anime series. What's the problem with having a section dedicated to anime talks and discussions? A new series breaks out literally every week and there are a lot of people who follow a lot of series, and there are also the super-popular series like Dragonball Z and Naruto which have a fan base wide enough to fill up thousands of threads. Weigh the pro's and cons of having such a section, also considering the popularity of the forums, and how easy/hard it would be to suppress those cons - and you'll have your answer.

As for having Anime under off-topic, you're right there - since I realized that General is mostly for general discussions related to the mod, and Off-topic is an exception only because every forum needs an off-topic place.

And as for talk about downloading episodes, trust your team of forum staff Cuc (which I know you do) - there shouldn't be any problem keeping things under control if we have laid down the correct rules and remain vigilant against links and download-talk.

Don't confuse my intentions, I am simply stating that I don't like the idea. Should it be passed by the people and or dev team I will do nothing to stand in it's way. Upon acceptance it would be treated with the upmost respect deserved of any forum section. That being said, I still disagree about the need for such a place, as Off Topic has served the purpose admirably and I don't see any real justification but want. Other such additions have served a need in the past, i.e. the fight club and fan fiction section were crowding Off Topic and thus a plan was made to move those items out of off topic. I have received no additional complaints about Anime threads.

Therefore my complaint isn't that "It shouldn't be created because", but "Why are we creating this?" Your arguments are all valid points, but none of them answer this question here. Why is it neccesary to add this section?

If moderation were a paying job it would no doubt create new ones though

At any rate, I will vehemently oppose it's placement in General as a main forum, it has no place there. It should be opened under off topic.

 

[grOOvy]

Therefore my complaint isn't that "It shouldn't be created because", but "Why are we creating this?" Your arguments are all valid points, but none of them answer this question here. Why is it neccesary to add this section?

To answer your question:

Firstly, there are enough anime liking people in this community to dedicate a new section for them. Secondly, forums exist for the mod, if we are pleasing the public by giving them a place to discuss anime - we are enriching our original purpose of having a happy and good community to back up the mod. One thing ESF has always been known for is it's forum community, even mods like CS and NS are broken by their overwhelming strictness on their forums because of the insane number of users. But ESF is in the 'just right' stage, and if those people want an anime section, why not?

Yes, we could continue to make threads in off-topic, but having a dedicated section to us will stimulate greater interest and will make the forum users happy as well. And insufficient amount of threads is the last thing we need to worry about since we already have thousands of posts based on anime alone, and with the increase in number of anime series and subsequently their fans - expect many more threads and posts to be made on anime.

 

[Synth]

I completely understand the concern and belief that this section is "unecessary," but this is an anime related modification and embracing anime would not only bring maybe a whole new crowd, but a whole new aura to this forum. I'll admit, a lot of my Fan Fiction has and will probably be inspired by anime and/or basically japanese licensed material that has taken the anime approach. I see the true purpose of this section as basically a haven for true and soon to become anime fans to share opinions and inform each other on new animes or old animes another user might me unaware of. Being a true hardcore DBZ fan, I hope a section like this could possibly tell me that I'm not as alone as I think I am.

I'm convinced it's a win-win situation all around, and I know the moderators (including myself) who truly support the addition, will moderate with the same consistancy we would have for any other section.

 

[Amayirot Akago]

I wouldn't mind, though ESF is usually the last place I go to for anime discussion.

 

[SailorAlea]

I vote..

Well, let Luffy say it for me.

http://hometown.aol.com/terrije1/haihai.wav

 

[Bolteh2]

no........

 

[Skiwan]

would be nice

 

[DiebytheSword]

To answer your question:

Firstly, there are enough anime liking people in this community to dedicate a new section for them. Secondly, forums exist for the mod, if we are pleasing the public by giving them a place to discuss anime - we are enriching our original purpose of having a happy and good community to back up the mod. One thing ESF has always been known for is it's forum community, even mods like CS and NS are broken by their overwhelming strictness on their forums because of the insane number of users. But ESF is in the 'just right' stage, and if those people want an anime section, why not?

Yes, we could continue to make threads in off-topic, but having a dedicated section to us will stimulate greater interest and will make the forum users happy as well. And insufficient amount of threads is the last thing we need to worry about since we already have thousands of posts based on anime alone, and with the increase in number of anime series and subsequently their fans - expect many more threads and posts to be made on anime.

You are still demonstrating want, not need. Having an anime section will not stimulate greater interest in our mod. It will, however, be a nice "boon" or "side dish" to the main course. Overall, this would add nothing to ESF that it NEEDED. All of the criteria you point out can be easily acheived by off topic and the people of the community itself. I remain unconvinced of any need, but as I said before, if you want it and it's granted it has my blessing. It's really pointless to continue arguing, you are using supposition vs. cold hard truth. You won't sway my opinion with wants when I asked you to proove need.

 

[grOOvy]

You are still demonstrating want, not need. Having an anime section will not stimulate greater interest in our mod. It will, however, be a nice "boon" or "side dish" to the main course. Overall, this would add nothing to ESF that it NEEDED. All of the criteria you point out can be easily acheived by off topic and the people of the community itself. I remain unconvinced of any need, but as I said before, if you want it and it's granted it has my blessing. It's really pointless to continue arguing, you are using supposition vs. cold hard truth. You won't sway my opinion with wants when I asked you to proove need.

/me nods, argument over.

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[20:09:49] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: Groovy
[20:09:59] [@grOOvy]: Sup, papa bear
[20:09:59] : +DPredator punches random people in the ballz
[20:10:02] [@SonicVamp]: If you don't purchase through Steam I don't think you can play DoD:S
[20:10:07] [@Ryoko]: OH NOE
[20:10:09] [@SonicVamp]: You also don't get all of the previous valve games free
[20:10:11] [@SonicVamp]: I don't think
[20:10:12] [@Ryoko]: a game I never play or like!!!
[20:10:13] [@SonicVamp]: You also pay more
[20:10:14] [@Ryoko]: lol
[20:10:14] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: There is nothing that I would do to stop the new forum from happening
[20:10:15] [@Ryoko]: I dont care
[20:10:16] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: BUT
[20:10:21] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: I still see no need for it
[20:10:29] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: need is different from want
[20:10:31] [@SonicVamp]: Anime forum?
[20:10:36] [+DPredator]: Does everything need a need?
[20:10:41] [@grOOvy]: Check topic, SonicVamp
[20:10:41] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: the people of the forum, and you WANT the anime forum
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[20:10:46] [@SonicVamp]: !topic
[20:10:49] [+DPredator]: There's no need to ban people here for using the F-Bomb
[20:10:52] [+DPredator]: And it happens.
[20:10:53] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: No, not everything needs a need
[20:11:00] [@SonicVamp]: uhg
[20:11:02] [@SonicVamp]: what the hell
[20:11:06] [@SonicVamp]: We already have an anime section
[20:11:07] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: which is why this can happen, despite lack of need
[20:11:09] [@SonicVamp]: It's called "Off topic"
[20:11:18] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: I've said that, but it's not clicking
[20:11:22] [@Ryoko]: It's an organisation issue.
[20:11:31] [@SonicVamp]: ...what is the issue?
[20:11:31] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]:
[20:11:32] [@SonicVamp]: If you want to post about anime post in off topic
[20:11:34] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: I need to run to work
[20:11:35] [@SonicVamp]: Wow that was rough
[20:11:36] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: later guys
[20:11:45] [@grOOvy]: Yes SonicVamp we can understand English
[20:11:47] [@SonicVamp]: Cya
[20:11:50] [@grOOvy]: Later, cuc
[20:12:11] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: You wish (keyword want) to subdivide off topic
[20:12:18] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: when in fact there is no need
[20:12:35] [@SonicVamp]: Was someone actually complaining about there not being an anime section, or was this just an idea that happened?
[20:13:02] [@grOOvy]: This idea has been hanging around for a while, SonicVamp and it was finally put forward
[20:13:08] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: It's an idea that they are trying to oversell
[20:13:24] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: It has no need, but I don't mind granting things that fall under want
[20:13:34] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: that's why I have a problem with the way it's presented
[20:13:55] [@grOOvy]: Cucatoth_Slumbers: Do you have anything against their being an anime forum inside off-topic besides the need picture? Because I don't see that as reason enough to stop it from happening
[20:14:07] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: . . .
[20:14:19] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: do you read my posts, or do you skim through them
[20:14:23] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: go back, read it over
[20:14:25] [@grOOvy]: I read them :|
[20:14:40] [+DPredator]: Seriously Cucatoth_Slumbers
[20:14:43] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: and note the fact that I NEVER said I would openly attempt to stop such a thing from happening
[20:14:48] [+DPredator]: There's a Signature Forum
[20:14:49] [@grOOvy]: Yes, we could survive without an anime forum
[20:14:52] [@grOOvy]: There is no NEED for an anime forum
[20:14:53] [@SonicVamp]: Well I'd personally like a hair styling forum
[20:14:57] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: and that I would support it IF the team and people WAMT it
[20:14:59] [+DPredator]: Why not post the signatures in the art section.
[20:15:16] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: just so long as you recognize that there is no NEED, and NEED hasn't been proven to me.
[20:15:20] [@grOOvy]: But if anime is so popular, and ESF is a mod based on an anime - why the hell not?
[20:15:21] [@SonicVamp]: Let's also have a first person forum
[20:15:24] [@SonicVamp]: And let's have a DBZ forum
[20:15:43] : @Cucatoth_Slumbers defers groovy to the WANT department
[20:15:45] [@SonicVamp]: Obviously we have DBZ fans that don't necessary want to talk about ESF
[20:15:52] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: why the hell not falls under WANT
[20:15:57] [@SonicVamp]: Then we can break that up into
[20:16:01] [@SonicVamp]: GT
[20:16:02] [@SonicVamp]: Z
[20:16:04] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: we have to do this, or the people will riot falls under need
[20:16:05] [@grOOvy]: DBZ alone or first person aren't big enough to have their own section
[20:16:22] [@SonicVamp]: Anime is a big section because it's essentially off topic
[20:16:24] [@grOOvy]: SonicVamp stop acting like an ass -_- You can defend your side without giving ridiculous examples
[20:16:41] [@SonicVamp]: I'm trying to point out we don't need a forum for everything. We don't like having too many forums to moderate
[20:16:55] [@SonicVamp]: You could make an argument for lots of forums
[20:16:59] [@SonicVamp]: and they'd make sense
[20:17:09] [@grOOvy]: We have enough members on the forum staff team who won't mind looking after the anime section
[20:17:15] [@grOOvy]: So "We don't like having too many forums to moderate" is void
[20:18:04] [@grOOvy]: [20:16:55] [@SonicVamp]: You could make an argument for lots of forums <-- Are all those other forums also related to ESF? Will all of those other ones also benefit the community in a way? Are those other sections popular enough in our community to have a section which won't die off?
[20:18:24] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: Failing that, I can always hire new moderators, or hand out additional responsibilities to others who volunteer
[20:18:28] [@SonicVamp]: Anime is about as related to ESF as off topic
[20:18:31] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: so I agree with groovy on that point
[20:18:47] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: There is no reason not to, just no need to do it.
[20:19:13] [@grOOvy]: I accept that Cuc, and I can change my posts if you wish. There really isn't a NEED for the section, more of a want and benefit option
[20:19:24] [+DPredator]: Then what makes "Signatures" related to ESF?
[20:19:25] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: IMO, this forum would probably be pretty popular
[20:19:35] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: and would probably be more often visited than some of the main one
[20:19:38] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: and would probably be more often visited than some of the main ones
[20:19:54] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: Signatures isn't, however there was a need for it
[20:20:07] [@grOOvy]: There was a need for signatures as it was crowding up artwork
[20:20:08] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: the artwork people complained about signatures invading their space
[20:20:18] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: same with the fight club
[20:20:27] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: I was originally contented to have it in off topic
[20:20:35] [@Cucatoth_Slumbers]: apparently other people weren't
[20:20:41] : @Cucatoth_Slumbers runs out the door
[20:20:48] [@grOOvy]: Go for work, don't be late!

 

[Tassadar]

I'm not a huge fan of anime, but I know a lot of people wouldn't mind seeing an Anime Forum. So my vote is yes.

You could look at it this way. The Signature forum should not exist because it would fall under the category of Artwork. If the argument is that Off-Topic is a better place to discuss anime, then the administrators shoud delete the Signature section. Anime is often brought up in the off-topic section, just as signatures would often be brought up in the Artwork section (that is if there were no Signature section). Anyway, you get my point.

 

[Sicron]

well...cucumba....you may say this will not change anythign about esf, but there is a small chance that u will....If somebody is searching google for anime forums, they might find esf, they register, they talk a bit on the anime forums and then wanna find out what ESF actually is (and surely if they are a dbz-anime fan) and eventually...they might play the game....

ow and to comment on groovys post...or add.....

You say there is no need on a Anime forum....then tell me...why is there need for a signature (sub)forum then? and a fanfic (sub)forum? if u cant add a sub forum for Anime...(since its a pretty big subject like, fanfiction and signatures) why have fanfic and sigs then?

 

[Sonic the Vampire]

The reality of that scenario is that there are actual "anime" forums, so someone using google to search for anime will likely approach one of those before he approached ESF. ESF is more Dragonball oriented because it's based on Dragonball Z. Let's just rename off topic to "Off topic / Anime discussion"

 

[Hibiki]

i rather like off topic being the all in one general place to talk about things it means i dont have to click on other sections

i dont really see any need to add a new section for things no one really talks about in off topic that much

i mean we get one... maybe 2 topics at the most in like 3 weeks about anime


we get more topics about video games then we do about anime

 

[SoulStriker]

I vote no. If you give a section to anime, then your neglecting the other "off-topic" areas, and then votes will spring up about those, such as video games, and other things are suited for the off topic section.

I dont really see a purpose for an anime section, the OTF has worked fine so far.

 

[Navanax]

I've been waiting for something like this. Arregato.

o_o Isn't it spelled "harigato"? o_o

And yeah, I think it's a good idea... I believe it's kinda filling up Off-Topic lately.

 

[Darkside]

j00 know it