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SSJ Shin Carl
Aug 24th, 2004, 03:50 PM
Well Title says it all I think its ridiculous.

GaZeeBo
Aug 24th, 2004, 03:58 PM
cuz they were making this a dragonball Z mod and trying to use the chars from the Z series.

so that means no dragonball , no dragonball gt , and NO movie chars

Carnage, the 1
Aug 24th, 2004, 04:16 PM
Still, I don't see why it is such a problem, as far as I know lots of people wouldn't mind have movie characters in. It's a decision, but based on what? Why wouldn't you want to do it? Is it too much work? Balance problems? what? Maybe too much characters? I don't really care all that much but it would stop posts from newcommers asking why we don't add brolly/coola/whoever. All the time the answer is because the team decided so... That's nice but all decision are based on something or else it's a worthless decision, I would like to know that reason. Why won't you add movie chars?

imkongkong
Aug 24th, 2004, 05:33 PM
i'm not sure.. but the tree of might was from a dbz movie :scared:

Shuyin
Aug 24th, 2004, 05:42 PM
I dunno. I always thought it was due to balancing reasons, since brolly is overpowering. And then alot of other movie characters didn't have enough transformations or attacks. But now i see Ginyu and #18 being added so that kinda nulls that theory out..

The Tree Of Might is just a map which isn't gonna unbalance anything, so they can get away with using that :P

GaZeeBo
Aug 24th, 2004, 06:09 PM
well yea.. it's true.. it's just a decision made by the mod owners.. but they ARE the owners so it's THEIR game.

though i would like to see Li Shenron the 7th black star dragon ^^
his transformations would be easy.
First he's normal with 1 dragonball. and his first trans would be with all the dragonballs and then a third would be a powerup
and no i dont wanna download the model hehe cuz i dont wanna replace anything in a good game.

Deman
Aug 24th, 2004, 06:27 PM
Meh, I truly believe that one purpose behind the "no movie characters" was the fact that the team got sick of all these threads begging for all these different characters.

Phatslugga
Aug 24th, 2004, 06:47 PM
Probably just becuase the team doesn't want people begging for all the different characters and techniques used in the movies. That and the movies were never really meant to take place in the Z storyline..

Navanax
Aug 24th, 2004, 07:04 PM
The answer is simple. It's based on the SERIES of Dragonball Z.

*hopes he's right and hasn't made a fool out of himself* xD

Sonic the Vampire
Aug 24th, 2004, 07:56 PM
The characters in the movies are stupid, plain and simple. Turlis was just another saiyan with a tail, Brolli was harder to kill than Buu, Cooler and metal cooler were the same as frieza and metal frieza. Brolli is the most commonly requested character, and what people don't realize is that with balancing brolli would be killable, and therefore would lose 99% of his cool factor. The only thing *at all* that he had going for him in the movies was that he was nearly impossible to kill, and we can't have that in ESF.

imkongkong
Aug 24th, 2004, 08:39 PM
i would like to see some movie characters be implemented in game like brolli, where everyone would fight against the strongest enemy. Brolli would have a large amount of PL and speed, turlus as well.. bojack and janemba too. all the fighters would then go against that monster player. if the monster player can kill everyone he stays that character for the next round. whoever kills that player will then get to be that player.. sort of a king of the hill type of thing

EDIT: well garlic jr was in the series for his second appearance.. not all movies are not based on what happens in the series

EricW
Aug 24th, 2004, 08:50 PM
I think implementing movie characters is a bad idea due to many reasons. For one the movies never had a place in the story plot of the series, they were just side stories created to make more money or to add in characters that never made it to the series.

I believe there is plenty of characters through the Z series to satisfy a DBZ mod.

Shuyin
Aug 24th, 2004, 08:57 PM
Hmm i think i can see a big reason why now. You add one movie character and you'll get others screaming "you added this one, so you should add that one too!"
It means more models, animations, sprites , sounds and code for each character. And there's already alot of work to be done since some characters have up to 4 transformations. probably something like (rough guess) character 29 models just for the current characters with all transformations. Poor DT :(
Im suprised the team is adding in anymore characters really..

owa
Aug 24th, 2004, 09:18 PM
The only cool character was Jamemba or Jalemba, whatever that dood is.

niobe
Aug 24th, 2004, 09:37 PM
it's janemba, and i also dont see wy.
i can realy understand brolli but then again, i dont like him.
i like to have a hildegarn mode, that the hildegarn is a bot that can change in dust to escape.
and a friend of my realy want's tapion in it, almost the same as trunks but then with his own attacks.
i can think of just one thing that they dont want it, they dont know what they have to give on the attack thing.
janemba is easy but like tapion is verry dificuld.

TehMuffinMan
Aug 24th, 2004, 11:02 PM
i'd like to see you pull 215+ anims out just to please the fans, there already redoing the rest, they dont need more as well, 213 anims times by how many characters they are add up REAL quick, dont forget the fact it needs to be modeled, mapped, skinned, coded in sprites for the attacks, sounds for him, its a helluva lot of work for just one character :X

jp
Aug 24th, 2004, 11:14 PM
Just implent them as bots, come one, its just a freaking multiplayer game.

I think it would be fun to fight against them as bots.

TehMuffinMan
Aug 24th, 2004, 11:18 PM
it would still involve the entire of the above :/

Esf_Newbie
Aug 25th, 2004, 03:43 AM
The characters in the movies are stupid, plain and simple. Turlis was just another saiyan with a tail, Brolli was harder to kill than Buu, Cooler and metal cooler were the same as frieza and metal frieza. Brolli is the most commonly requested character, and what people don't realize is that with balancing brolli would be killable, and therefore would lose 99% of his cool factor. The only thing *at all* that he had going for him in the movies was that he was nearly impossible to kill, and we can't have that in ESF.

If you ask me thats not a good reason. I accept the fact that Brolli will not be in the game but your arguements are silly.

Buu for example was basically unkillable in the show. The only thing that was able to stop him was the spirit bomb. So why is it that he can be killed by simple ki blasts? Or a punch to the face?

Sonic the Vampire
Aug 25th, 2004, 04:16 AM
Heh I'm not arguing that the characters on the show aren't ridiculous, I'm just saying the ones in the movies were worse. If the team wanted to add more characters they already have a number they could add from the series that are not overpowered just by their nature (Tien/androids/other miscelanious villains like Nappa and whoever).

SSJ Shin Carl
Aug 25th, 2004, 05:07 AM
No... Brolli was over powered. Hes the damn legendary ssj. He has to be powerful. Brolli has his Cons though. He is slow as ****. He should just have a high hp setting, and high Hp pretty much how buu is now. Buu is the over powered char though. He is the one who should have to Lowest health. Everyone knows buu got blown to pieces millions of times, and all he had was regeneration.

Brolli also has 2 Transformations (I am not counting his mind controlled state because thats basically his SSJ state, but hes being controlled).

his SSJ state, and his "LSSJ" or as I say his USSJ form which the 3rd grade of ssj.

Brolli also has enough attacks. Brolli really isn't that over powered if you look at it. When you transform a second time you would be the same power as he is (in his lssj form). Only thing with Brolli he should start of fighting as a ssj, but will be really slow like slower than Trunks ssj form, and when he transforms he would be the same speed. All it will do is increase his power, and hp.

Bojack couldn't be implemented he doesn't have enough attacks.

Kooler could, but people have an excuse sayin he is the same as frieza =\. When hes not if you just put in METAL Kooler then he wouldn't be. Because he can regenerate.



They won't add any Android's probably besides 18. They should add both 17, and 18. Its no point having just 18, if you can't go around as both of them Pretty damn pointless if you ask me. Regardless of how much attacks they have, or if they can transform or not. They would have an unlimited ki supply, but there PL would go up faster, so they will be able to keep up.


Another character they could add "Yamucha".

He has his Spirit Ball, Kamehameha, Wolf Fang Fist, which could be a Combo special attack. Thats all the attacks you really need.

Some characters don't need transformations. They could just power up, but NO the team doesn't want to look "too generic", but they gave Krillin this stupid "Mystic form".

Skiwan
Aug 25th, 2004, 06:53 AM
every1 forgets that krillin did have a trans :S the namek elder unlocked his potential, imo that should have been his trans.

i also agree adding 17 would be easy as pie, 18 and 17 have same proportions (exactly) ergo all u need is another model and attach the same skelenton, they have same attacks, all u gotta do is giv em sounds and maybe different colour sprites, and basically have both of em in...

I dunno about brolly...... every1 loves him as a character, but i have no idea why, his attacks werent great, he had no personality as he was either silent or screamins "KAKKAROTO!" all the time. To be honest he's a bit of a waist of time.... if u were gonna add him, give him his normal form first, i mean it makes sense, even though he never fought as it, its still logical to asume he would be able to.

most movie characters are a complete waist of time imo..... Janemba was my fav cuz of his attacks, but most movie characters were a complete waist of time, thats why they shouldnt include them imo.

Esf_Newbie
Aug 25th, 2004, 07:48 AM
Heh I'm not arguing that the characters on the show aren't ridiculous, I'm just saying the ones in the movies were worse. If the team wanted to add more characters they already have a number they could add from the series that are not overpowered just by their nature (Tien/androids/other miscelanious villains like Nappa and whoever).


Here in lies the problem. What Im saying is that just because the shows/movies don't make alot of sense doesn't mean the mod should be limited by it. Brolli is a cool character. Sure he is (in the movies) ridiculously strong but that doesn't mean he needs to be that strong in the mod and if the movies didn't have enough attacks for him. Hell the team could create new ones for him.

Now I'm not whinning/begging for Brolli to be in. I just don't want the team to limit themselfs because of the lack of contant/logic on the part of the movies characters.

BliZZ
Aug 25th, 2004, 08:02 AM
Name one movie who had at least one unique attack that would work in a game like this. Also name one movie character who wasn't defeated by some super ultra great thing such as: spirit bomb, lent power, new outstanding power-ups, etc. In other words all movie characters are the same. And they all suck

EDIT: well garlic jr was in the series for his second appearance.. not all movies are not based on what happens in the series
Garlic Jr. was a filler ie it was not in the manga. Therefore it was more of the same crap.

Judge
Aug 25th, 2004, 09:18 AM
because I think the team thinks there are enough characters to choose from already, since there are quite much. and secondly most movie characters only appeared once (in that movie), so for a very short time.

and 3rd, it's based on the series. not the movies or anything else.

Esf_Newbie
Aug 25th, 2004, 09:38 AM
Name one movie who had at least one unique attack that would work in a game like this. Also name one movie character who wasn't defeated by some super ultra great thing such as: spirit bomb, lent power, new outstanding power-ups, etc. In other words all movie characters are the same. And they all suck

The Trunks movie. I forget the name though.

Anywho the same could be said about non movie characters.

Vegeta: defeated by "new outstanding power-ups"

Frieza: defeated by "new outstanding power-ups"

Cell: defeated by "new outstanding power-ups"

Buu: defeated by "spirit bomb"

Look DBZ kind of sucks if you think about it to much. Just enjoy it for the drama/action/comedy/whatever don't look for logic your head will explode.

Super_vegito34
Aug 25th, 2004, 09:52 AM
they could add from the series that are not overpowered just by their nature (Tien/androids/other miscelanious villains like Nappa and whoever).Thats a good point sonic but the characters from the series arent nearly as unique as the ones from the movies, for example when you play budokai, there is a wide variety of characters from the series to choose from, but most of them are prettymuch the same. I can see why movie characters arent implemented but i think its very bland putting in nappa instead of someone really different and unique like janemba or broli.

Funky Phantom
Aug 25th, 2004, 10:39 AM
I can understand why the team didn't want any move characters and I think its for the best. After all, adding characters like Brolly would be a balancing nightmare, as he's supposed to be way stronger than the others. Plus there are plenty of unique and interesting characters in the series itself.

Also, I hope people realise that whatever consensus is reached in this thread is unlikely to influence the decision of the team in any way at all. They have made their decision on this issue. End of.

MightyMatrixMan
Aug 25th, 2004, 01:58 PM
what i reckon the esf team should put in is pikon hes a good character and and he has his own special attack "Thunder Flash Attack" i think thats it and he is from the original
series i dunno about the manga though cause i havent read it before i dunno about if he can transform but it could be with his weighted clothes off i suppose it there might be a mix up with appereance as piccolo and pikon nearly look identical lol speaking of the same episode i reckon with goku he should be able to do a super kaoken cause that kicked ass then lol oh and there should be an 17 who can transform into super 17 oh and cell and buu should get an attack which can absorb a player then their ki is restored lol well just some ideas for yas to think about but yeah as for the movie characters in the game it woulld be cool but i reckon it will just make things more dificult aye lol ok one last character idea android 19/20 with there cool ki absorbtion technique hmm any thing else? a that should be it for now lol

remember only ideas not demands

Nuttzy
Aug 25th, 2004, 02:10 PM
they put in all the main ones, as far as i can tell,

each cgaracter has thier own strengths and weaknesses, and it has enough of a variety now,
perhaps if they implemented some kinda system to add as many characters as you wanted just by simply adding the model/sounds into the section but would adopt moves from a existing character, (you could change the sound and sprite to make it different, basically how you replace characters now) but have an option to select that model ingame,

wouldnt be the same thing but i think itd work just fine, and sicne it would use moves from a character already in the game, the other people wouldnt need the thing installed as it would just show the character that he was supposed to replace,

pretty pointless idea but its a inbetween of adding new characters and replacing them, i think it work for everybody, though i seriously doubt anything of the sort would be implemented, but more characters are coming in the next release, and so you will have more characters to replace with different models if you wanted to

[ESF]nighthawk
Aug 25th, 2004, 07:07 PM
The answer is simple. It's based on the SERIES of Dragonball Z.

*hopes he's right and hasn't made a fool out of himself* xD

You're on the ball. The game revolves around the Dragonball Z series timeline. Last time I checked or anybody else checked that was on the team, the movies as well as Dragonball GT and original Dragonball does not fall into the Dragonball Z series timeline category.

You can make the argument that the movies were Z based, which is true. But since when has any of the movies ever followed the Dragonball Z series timeline, besides the History of Trunks?

It's as simple as that people, there's no conspiracy behind it. Somebody stated that the decision was based on something...that was what it was based off of.

imkongkong
Aug 25th, 2004, 07:26 PM
well im not trying to be bicker or anything but there were three movies that could possible been involved with the DBZ timeline

history of trunks
bardock father of goku
the dead zone

history of trunks explains the background of mirai trunks

bardock father of goku probably happened before the orginal dragonball started

garlic jr which happens between namek and mirai trunks would not be possible without the dead zone movie happening. the dead zone movie probably happened before radditz arrived on earth

ok, more useless knowledge for everyone =p

Kurachi
Aug 25th, 2004, 08:08 PM
if you ask me... i don't care about timeline, and if esf should have movie chars why don't make some of them (like brolly) weaker so everybody has own attacks but are not too strong to be beaten example: brolly has lot of defense so why not give him more defense but less health... well... esf team doesn't want to put movie chars/attacks in esf so it will be that way ... but i know esf will be much better if there are some movie things in it...if i were the boss :P :]

niobe
Aug 25th, 2004, 08:53 PM
the team can say what they want, there will be a time that the game doesn't get played anymore becours of the limmit's.
there are a lot of dbz mod's and this is the only one that has this limmit, even dmz has movie char's and not to forget bfp.

trunks movie can't be in becours it's already in(future trunks is in) and there are more movie's that are in the time line.
the cooler movie can fit betwean the trunks saga and the android saga, and the bojack movie in the 7 jears that cell is dead.

Navanax
Aug 25th, 2004, 09:08 PM
the team can say what they want, there will be a time that the game doesn't get played anymore becours of the limmit's.
there are a lot of dbz mod's and this is the only one that has this limmit, even dmz has movie char's and not to forget bfp.

trunks movie can't be in becours it's already in(future trunks is in) and there are more movie's that are in the time line.
the cooler movie can fit betwean the trunks saga and the android saga, and the bojack movie in the 7 jears that cell is dead.

... come on, that's just total bull****... ESF is the most popular DBZ-based mod, to my knowledge.
Other mods may have things that ESF doesn't, but ESF also has things those other mods don't.

Also, if people want other characters so badly, they can just replace models, sprites and sounds and nobody's gonna notice the difference.