Transformation Attacking

[ImpATom]

... Uh. This isn't even close to the point I was trying to make. I don't don't that. What on earth? Why do you keep focusing on that. You made a point in an earlier message that there is a lag after stopping a transformation. I disagreeded. Why on earth do you keep focusing on this "standing in front of someone" thing. I was just giving an example.

 

[SailorAlea]

Well, because you have several times said that you are tired of being meleed, when you are standing in front of someone while they're transforming, just to have them kick you.

Perhaps you shouldn't stand quite so close.

 

[ImpATom]

... Please post where I have said that. I don't stand near anbody transforming, so this would be a very interesting thing for me to say.

 

[SailorAlea]

Okay, from earlier:

Me: Simple solution to that problem.. Stay above them, or a little farther away. No need to be right -next- to them..

Your response: "Oh yes, I agree. No reason at all to be standing in front of someone transforming."

Earlier, you: "Yes, you lose a lock on. My point, however, is that there is no lag between stopping a transformation and kicking someone in the face who is standing in front of you."

 

[HF[Samurai]Devi]

i never attack when peeps r transforming i find it a sort of respect for the other fighter...
i never go ssj unless i need to go ssj to defeat someone, like i was gohan the other dude was vegeta i easely could go ssj but i didnt cos he just joined in, we kept fighting each other until he went ssj at the same time he was ssj i turned ssj lol its just like in the series

SSJ5 hit it dead on. I do the same thing. I never hit a person in their transformation, for the same respect issue. They cant defend themselves. Its like kicking a baby... kinda. Besides having a challenge is fun.

 

[ImpATom]

... Yes, and where does it say that I stand in front of people in those? My only point in that was that it is indeed possible to kick someone in front of you (as I have done to other people!) without a lag. I AGREED that standing in front of people is a stupid idea. Why would I do it if I think it's stupid? (Honestly now, please refrain from any joking remarks. ^_-). Perhaps we are just reading it in different ways, but neither of those things were meant to say that I stand in front of people, or even that I think it's a good idea. I'm not sure how you are reading them that way.

 

[SailorAlea]

Hm..Perhaps you're right. But it just seems to me like you're doing everything you can to justify, not to another person, seems like yourself, that what you're doing isn't wrong. I think some part of you knows that it's not honorable.

Afterall, you're playing the game to have fun,
Not purely to have more kills then the other person, aren't you? Unless you consider having more kills to be fun, in that case, knock yourself out--transform killing, spawn camping, attacking AFK people, the sky's the limit!

Anyway, I'm going to bed, as t is 4:50 AM here. I'll post more on this tomorrow if you choose to respond. Night.

 

[ImpATom]

Well, attacking AFK and spawn camping, I can't really justify at all. I see no risk from someone who is just coming back, or isn't there at all. (Although if you're AFK, why not go into spectator mode?).. and yet, I see Transformation Attacking a big risk. S'not very fun to be hit with a Final Flash over and over. Sure, they're not doing the Final Flash right away, but they are powering up for it. If Transforming didn't get faster as you got more powerful, I'd be a bit more iffy on it.. but it does, to the point where you get "perfect" and are at no risk. You can't spawn any faster as the game goes on, but you sure can transform faster.

 

[SailorAlea]

If you're having such a problem with Final Flashes, there are several ways to deal with them--If you see someone fire one, teleport as close to the person as you can. If they want to attack you, they'll have to kill themselves too.

One of my biggest problems with Transform killing, is that it's done in servers with short time limits. So, let's say there's a 30 minute time limit. I finally get 2mil to transform with Vejita, and someone kills me midtransformation. Wee! Powerlevel down 50,000. Gotta get more. Get it again. Transform---BOOM! Killed again. Get the picture? By the time I get to transform,there is about 3 minutes left, if that much, and that's not exactly fun.

I don't have a problem with transform killing on a server with infinite time--but most servers aren't like that.

 

[D.C. Darkling]

I am against trans killing simply cause I think it lacks honor. Also you indeed should always go after owning SSJs. (I can own a 2 million pl dude on starters pl easy cause most can't melee)

Also if anyone ever interrupts my transformation or my dual with someone he can expect me going after him the next 10 minutes also.

Sometimes I just kill them once and say "now learn".

 

[ImpATom]

I agree that it may be frustrating to lose your powerful transformation.. but Vegita has an easy-to-hide one. If it's Goku, with the "come kill me", then I'm sure it's quite a bit more frustrating... and yeah, I can teleport to stop a Final Flash, but.. why waste my own life if I can stop it in advance?

 

[Sentient]

I really don't see the problem..

If you don't want transkilling, just tell the other player in advance..
Whenever someone joins my server i tell him the server rule.. He can either agree and we can fight, or he can choose to leave..

 

[D.C. Darkling]

I would love vegeta to have lightning.. cause it IS a saiyan trade.

And that it shows you are transing.. WHO CARES.. the pl who can't pick there moments deserve to die.

 

[[sZw]Kaden]

I can't really...see the problem here...some people think trans killing is ok others don't, just play your way dammit and stop this pointless arguing! My own opinion is...I don't care. If the people I play with thinks it's ok, it's ok with me and if not, well do I need to say more...

 

[Phatslugga]

Atom, from what i've heard i can understand why you don't think this is an honor issue. Let me assure you it is, I know that if someone transforms that they will become much stronger, i still won't attack them. You say that they pose a threat when transforming, not an immediate one. Actually while they are transforming they pose no threat at all, becuase they are immobile. THAT is why i won't attack someone who's transforming. It's not fun, it doesn't make me any better at the game, it requires no skill, and it's dishonorable becuase my enemy poses no threat, he's/she's helpless.

Someone who is charging a spirit bomb is an immediate threat, becuase they are engaging in an attack, while transforming isn't an attack. If someone starts charging a spirit bomb (especially if you see them aiming at you) then you are "under attack". The attack might take a long time but the threat is there the whole time.

 

[Scorcher2k]

I only trans attack if someone trans attacks me or its a duel. It is a matter of honor to do it or not but in a 1vs1 duel you can't let someone have that big of a boost so both people understand that its going to happen.

 

[D.C. Darkling]

SB? A threat? ya insane.. i love those s*ckers.

Ok.. but I also do not care alot.

 

[Sonic the Vampire]

Here's my view on the topic:

Same as everything else. If you don't like it ask people who do it to you to stop, and if they don't, get creative about it. Don't sit around and scream and scream because somebody hurt your feelings in a computer game.

I don't agree with the whole "it's more honorable" idea going on around here. I mean, after all, it is just a game. If you win or if you lose, the only people who know what happened while you were playing are yourself and the people that were in the room with you. It isn't like you're going to go to work the next day and feel better about yourself for letting someone off easy in a video game. I like at the "slap in the face" comments the same way. If you got hit by somebody while you were transforming... so what? So maybe you die, or get crippled by the damage, and you come back to life, rinse and repeat. If you don't like it, ask them to stop. If they don't, there isn't much you can do. Perhaps you should try killing them and then immediately transforming. Either way people will play how they want to play... just go with it.

 

[Phatslugga]

"I don't agree with the whole "it's more honorable" idea going on around here. I mean, after all, it is just a game. If you win or if you lose, the only people who know what happened while you were playing are yourself and the people that were in the room with you. It isn't like you're going to go to work the next day and feel better about yourself for letting someone off easy in a video game"

That doesn't define Honor, honor is the showing of merited respect.

Just becuase it's a video game doesn't mean there isn't honor involved. When i let someone transform and they do the same for me, i enjoy myself much more than when someone starts transkilling.

I don't beleive anyone asked how to stop it, most people know that you really can't. The only way you can is to knock some sense into them, which is what i usually attempt to do ( with good results).

You're trying to make it sound like just becuase it's a video game, there is no possible way for anyone to get annoyed, well you're wrong. Games are made to have fun, and if someone is stopping me from having it, i will not be pleased.

 

[Sonic the Vampire]

In other words I was saying: Don't be so uptight. So somebody is playing in their own way. You don't have to be critical, you can ignore them, or you can just change around your tactics. You're right, games are supposed to be fun, and somebody is having fun playing in their own way, and it just happens to be at your own expense. Really, taking a little damage or dying a couple of times while you're transforming doesn't ruin the entire game, that's just how it feels when you get overly-involved in the fact that it's happening to you as opposed to juxtaposing getting attacked while transforming a few times with the rest of your gameplay expreience. It really doesn't take nearly as much out of the game as everybody would like to think it does.

And I simply think higher of term "honor" than a quasi-selfless act in a video game. I'd call it kindness, or consideration, but considering your life isn't at stake, and it would not have made any kind of a significant difference in anyone's life had you attacked them instead, I wouldn't refer to it as "honorable."