The un-solved mystery on "Goten and trunks"

[DragonDude]

Yes, after Jackie Chun blew it up in DragonBall.
Did someone already mention plot-holes? ;D
I also noticed something in the translated mangas, I know it's not really important but I just want to throw it into the mystery.
Vegeta gets his tail cut off on Earth in his fight with Goku, and when he's healing in a rejuvination chamber one of those weird aliens tells him that they could not regenerate his tail, and Vegeta says "No matter, it'll grow back again."
But it doesn't. *shrugs shoulders*

 

[GMan]

Hitokiri, ya goku didn't know he had once turned into an ape. I believe that when they first go to visite roshi's place they notice it and freak out. It was either about gohan or raditz.

They ask Goku if Gohan has ever seen the full moon and blah blah, Goku doesn't know about Oozaru.. then when he sees Vegeta go Oozaru he thinks he's the person that killed his grandfather (at least in the craptacular english episodes)

 

[Snow]

Really simple. Gohan was conceived before Goku went super saiyan. He got the standard saiyan tale. Goten and Trunks were conceived after Vegeta and Goku reached SSJ level, so their children were born with the ability to go SSJ instead of a tale. Standard Saiyan Genes Vs. SSJ-capable Saiyan Genes.

Simple. Why do people bust their asses figuring out all these farfetched explanations when they are obvious?

So what you are saying is that after goku and vegeta go ssj there genetic makeup CHANGES? that makes no sence what so ever.

IMO the ape like stage in a saiyan life was to over come a enemy who was to strong, after they went ssj no need to go ape they were strong enough, goten and trunks having tails was not important so it was avoided.


But the genes changing after ssj makes no sence. If you have a reason to back that up could you please tell me, that statment alone does not fit.

 

[SailorAlea]

Well, he's wrong about the genetics--regarding that.

It is alluded to, in the manga, that the reason that the half-saiya-jin could go SSJ earlier in life, was because of their parents--The more powerful the parents, the easier it would be for the child to go SSJ.

It's not directly stated that the genetics of Goku/Vejita change, just that the more powerful they are when the baby is conceived, the easier SSJ is for the child.

(But, this is a plothole of a sort--Why was ChibiTrunks able to go SSJ earlier then in Mirai Trunks' lifetime? Vejita had the same power when both were conceived.)

 

[Snow]

(But, this is a plothole of a sort--Why was ChibiTrunks able to go SSJ earlier then in Mirai Trunks' lifetime? Vejita had the same power when both were conceived.)

I think i can answer that,it is said you must be full of hatred or good, goku full of hatred and same with goku, trunk in good years full of good along wih goten, mirai was a mix between both only when gohan was killed was he full of hatred then he went ssj. the age differnce in the 2 was not far. Perhaps thats why, thats my two cents.

 

[Brim]

The answer to that question is simply the fact that Vegeta was a live in chibi trunks' lifetime, so he could train with him, in mirai trunks' timeline there is no one to train him until he comes across gohan

On the tail thing...who knows, although I always wanted to see what a SSJ with a tail would look like, would the tail turn gold?

 

[-{VC}- sWiTcH]

IMO it was just decided to be a bother, so it was not added. Also in my opinion, you think you know alot about DBZ and you take everything to seriously SailorAlea, chill

 

[SailorAlea]

Your personality--'good or evil' has nothing to do with -why- you go SSJ.. An event triggers it. For Goku, good, it was the death of his best friend. For Vejita(formerly evil), it was frustration out of rivalry.

For Mirai Trunks, it was rage about losing his mentor.

ChibiTrunks and Goten had no motivation to go SSJ, that is shown in either the manga or anime.

 

[Suh Dude]

the doctor thought it was crap and wiped it but it woun't come off so the doctor cut it off

 

[-{VC}- sWiTcH]

Well DBZ is kind of like politics, not everything is perfect and alot of stuff is overlooked This is life, real people are behind DBZ. If Toriyama decided that tails were useless, he might of decided just to overlook them. These things happen, its just human

 

[Duece]

Goku and vegeta prolly took them off when they were born so no problems would arise later on(imagining that if all these characters were real)

the real answer is that it was up to the writers and since the ozaru cant really hold a candle against the saiyan and all villans of their saga there was no need for tails.

 

[SaiyanPrideXIX]

Well, he's wrong about the genetics--regarding that.

It is alluded to, in the manga, that the reason that the half-saiya-jin could go SSJ earlier in life, was because of their parents--The more powerful the parents, the easier it would be for the child to go SSJ.

It's not directly stated that the genetics of Goku/Vejita change, just that the more powerful they are when the baby is conceived, the easier SSJ is for the child.

(But, this is a plothole of a sort--Why was ChibiTrunks able to go SSJ earlier then in Mirai Trunks' lifetime? Vejita had the same power when both were conceived.)

Because Future Trunks came back in time to warn them about Cell, Vegeta fought and the whole Cell Saga thing happened...which wouldn't have happened if Trunks hadn't gone back. When Vegeta fought Cell he was pretty jacked up, so I'm assuming that because Trunks came back, and subsequently caused Vegeta to reach USSJ in preparation for Cell, the chibi Trunks of the Buu saga was born stronger then Mirai Trunks of the Cell Saga, and didn't have to go Super Saiyan with such difficulty.

As for the genetic makeup thing...genes make up our hair color, eye color, skin color, muscle tone...all things that change when one goes Super Saiyan. So I just figured as much. It only makes sense--not that Goku and Vegeta's genes CHANGED, but rather, that they were able to "activate" the Super Saiyan genes in a way.

 

[Snow]

That still make no sence whatso ever. I think there is no answer. and to answer the question about a tail in ssj it DOES turn gold in GT chibi goku goes ssj with his tail.

 

[SailorAlea]

Because Future Trunks came back in time to warn them about Cell, Vegeta fought and the whole Cell Saga thing happened...which wouldn't have happened if Trunks hadn't gone back. When Vegeta fought Cell he was pretty jacked up, so I'm assuming that because Trunks came back, and subsequently caused Vegeta to reach USSJ in preparation for Cell, the chibi Trunks of the Buu saga was born stronger then Mirai Trunks of the Cell Saga, and didn't have to go Super Saiyan with such difficulty.

As for the genetic makeup thing...genes make up our hair color, eye color, skin color, muscle tone...all things that change when one goes Super Saiyan. So I just figured as much. It only makes sense--not that Goku and Vegeta's genes CHANGED, but rather, that they were able to "activate" the Super Saiyan genes in a way.

Vejita and Bulma didn't have ChibiTrunks after the Cell saga, if you recall-he was a baby during it, nothing changed because of Mirai Trunks coming, so they should've had the same difficulty.

 

[-{VC}- sWiTcH]

No, they didnt. Life was peaceful because of future trunks coming to warn the fighters, they defeated the androids, unlike in the "fake" future. Because of defeating all the androids life was peaceful, and theres a good chance that vegeta was ssj capable when bulma and him hit it on...

 

[SailorAlea]

Vejita was SSJ in Trunks's future, as well. They just didn't show it in the anime movie. It was in the manga and manga specials.

 

[Bihal]

Actually Sailor Alea, I believe that at some point in the series (I'm not sure about this) someone said you had to have a pure heart. Pure good, or pure evil, or pure anger, I dunno. I don't really buy that.

But, you'll note Krillin says when he first finds out Vegita is a Super Saiyajin that he thought you had to be good to be one.

And I'm not sure about Trunks, but there is a short flashback that explains how Goten came to reach super saiyajin. He was sparring with his mother, Chi Chi, and she pushed him over the edge. *shrugs* I'm not saying whether it was a very good explaination though.

 

[SailorAlea]

Yes, but you're quoting the infamous dub, which holds no bearing on the true story.
In the english craptacular dub, he says "I thought you had to be pure hearted like Goku, but I guess THAT isn't a pre-requisite!" Or something along those lines. He was saying, he was wrong to think that.

Goku was 'pure-hearted,' you could say--but Vejita wasn't pure-hearted, and he wasn't pure-evil, either.

ChibiTrunks has no explanation in the anime--he just 'does it.' As for Goten's.. it's weak. He goes SSJ while being trained by ChiChi, and hits her in the stomach. (As if she wouldn't DIE from being hit by a SSJ Toddler..)

 

[Tassadar]

Eh, I dont know why your all busting your asses over something you'll never know, cant you all accept the fact that you'll never really know why neither's tail was mentioned? Oh wait, im talking to the ESF community here, nevermind.

 

[SailorAlea]

I don't know why you're criticizing all hypothetical plot threads, unless you specifically are trying to start a flame-war. People can discuss whatever they wish. Speculation among fellow fans is part of the fun of watching a show. Your attitude is uncalled for--Oh wait! I'm talking to a member of the ESF community--Nevermind.