Revolutions Kicked Ass - Critics On Drugs(Lots of Spoliers)

[Phatslugga]

I believe the entire story was already planned out by the machines. Why would you create a matrix that you know will have problems without knowing how to solve those problems? You don't build the structure and deal with its foundation later.QUOTE]

Actually that happens all the time, not with structures but with programs. That's what patches are. Allthough the matrix was created by a machine so you could argue whether or not it would catch all of the errors.

 

[Bihal]

Well, let me see...(even if I should be studying for my exam.)

I don't believe that there will be another One (although neo might not be dead, oir he might come back.)

Judge quotes the Architect as saying "Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix." For those of you who don't understand what he is refering to, neo figures it out for himself. It's choice. The One is the culmination of all the choice that was not given to the 1% of people who would refuse the Matrix programming. It's a recursivly increasing anamoly. once it reaches a critical point, you get the One, who is basically, all of the choice that people didn't get to make rolled into one.

So I don't think there will be another one.

As for the movie, yes, I thought it was crap. You have to understand, that you can like every partof a movie, and every part of a mvie can be good, but the movie can still be crap.

The Matrix was an awesome movie. In my opinion, The Brothers realised that everyone would see the next two movies. Period. it didn't matter if they were good movies or not. People, like some of the people in this thread, had already decided the movie would be awesome before they went in.

The second and third movies should have been one movie. The Brothers, knowing everyone would see the movies, took some artistic license to them.

Normally, a movie needs to be a good movie to sell. The first Matrix was a good movie.
But the second and third Matrix movies were already going to sell. After the first one, it was pretty much set in stone. So they didn't have to be good movies. They could be whatever the Brothers wanted them to be. I'm sure they enjoyed them as well.

 

[Hibiki]

u can go in expecting a movie to be good and it can suck

if u leave the movie and still think its good then it obviously must be a good movie

just cause some critics say it sucks doesnt suddenly mean the intire population of the world will think the same

 

[Scorcher2k]

The machines didn't plan for the 6th anomoly to choose exile or to even do any of what neo ended up doing. The oracle herself said she didn't know that this was going to happen... but she believed.

 

[Hibiki]

its smith though

smith was like a big confusing anomaly that was tossed into the machines plans it is because of smith that the war ended the way it did

 

[Xenogias]

well you have to ask yourself, what makes the equation unbalanced. because thats a pretty good question.

is it the 6 billion people, that the matrix supports, the factor which would make a mathemetical equation unbalanced?

all the architect really says about it is:'Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix'. does this mean that because of the billions of people that somehow the equation gets a bit messed?

because if thats it, that the answer easy, yes anomalies will still occur, and btw I think that even without a real explanation anomlies will occur, the oracle said that we would see neo again. does that mean the neo as we know him? or just another anomaly.

Guess no one read my previous edited post :x
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I think that if Neo hadn't given up, it would have just gone on forever...
and he knew that. Neither one of them could defeat each other being that
they are the mirror image of each other. Neo knew the only way for Smith
to be "deleted" was if he served his final purpose as a program...which was
to assimilate/destroy Neo. also, I've heard people that see it like the equation
and how the Oracle said Neo is the One (1) and Smith is his negative (-1).
So when Smith took over Neo it balanced the equation -1+1=0.

 

[Judge]

I dont think the machines forsaw what neo was gonna do, in the end they did. but not at the start. if neo wasnt freed by morpheus(but by someone else) or trinity wasnt aboard morpheus his ship, then neo wouldnt have picked the same door (still possible ofcourse that he chooses the same door, but trinity was the trigger in reloaded). and the things that happen in the realworld are something the machines cant have control of.

Guess no one read my previous edited post :x
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I think that if Neo hadn't given up, it would have just gone on forever...
and he knew that. Neither one of them could defeat each other being that
they are the mirror image of each other. Neo knew the only way for Smith
to be "deleted" was if he served his final purpose as a program...which was
to assimilate/destroy Neo. also, I've heard people that see it like the equation
and how the Oracle said Neo is the One (1) and Smith is his negative (-1).
So when Smith took over Neo it balanced the equation -1+1=0.

I read that, but its old news. thats the chicken and the egg story really...

smith was neo's opposite which balanced the equation..but at start before neo, when there was nothing to balance. it became unbalanced, and not because of smith. before smith was destroyed by neo in part 1. he wasnt his counterpart yet.

 

[Vegeta's Briefs]

I saw the movie YESTERDAY!! *hops up and down with joy* And here's my thoughts on it (after reading everybody elses).

The trilogy was just like any other rapture movie made, only it was made to appeal to a much larger crowd than the usual bible-thumper, as some people call us. Some people notice the religious overtones and go "whippie! a religious movie that rocks!" and some people don't care about it. They just want a cool action movie.

But it's just like the Lord of the Rings.

[religious mode]

The Matrix is our world, the "first dimension", as some might call it. It's a world created to be what everybody wants it to be, i.e. sunny and green. It's just like what the usual atheist believes the world is. But on the outside, the world is a war between the machines (devils) and the humans (angels) who are both trying to gain more people, either to use as energy, as a source, or to save.

Neo was made by the flaws of the Matrix, just like Jesus was made by the flaws of mankind. He was made to screw with the Matrix's mind and make things clear to everybody. He was made to save the world. Like God leading Jesus, Morpheus taught Neo this and trained him to do what he will, and like the Holy Ghost descending onto Christ during his baptism, Trinity came to make it official, to help save Neo so that he can save them. Hence her name, I do believe.

In the first movie, Neo dies and is resurrected, and Smith becomes seperate. He stands out in this world, just like the Anti-Christ. It is quite clear Neo's job to stop him, and so the big battle begins. Apocalypse.

In the second movie, Trinity is killed then resurrected herself. If you will note, in revelations it mentions a time when the holy ghost will leave the world. Although it's brief and vague, I believe it's symbolic because Neo brings her back. The belief in Christ will bring back the Ghost. It's the time of the seven year trials.

Then the machines start getting through to the city, sin has built up, and they are almost winning.

Then in the third movie, everything has been pretty much wrapped up except for the symbolism of Trinity dying for good. After the world has found true peace, then there is no need for the Holy Ghost. He might become an angel, or whatever. The same goes for Jesus. He will become God, and therefore, Jesus, himself, will no longer exist.

Even the ending was of God's choice to give mankind free will.

So the whole trilogy was the entire story of Christ and the revelations put together to make a good story.

I believe that it was done on purpose because it was even more vivid and there than the Lord of the Rings series, but I could be mistaken.

[end religious mode]

Seraph is a type of angel, BTW. Seraphim and Cherubim, remember?

Anyways, as for the movie itself, all the action and that stuff, it's very very cool and deep. I think that the Matrix movies are the most awesome movies I've seen, and that people that didn't understand the ending didn't understand God or know his story. And this idea has been proven many many times. Because if you didn't know God's story, you didn't realize the symbolism, and therefore, you wouldn't catch the story lying underneath.

As for the loose ends, I didn't really see any. The machines would draw their power from the sun after sucking in the clouds. However, I do believe they left room open for another movie or game or something.

And I tried to cover up the spoilers. Even though this thread is already dripping with them and the title has been changed as a warning, I think it's only polite.

 

[Xenogias]

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Hello VB
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[Vegeta's Briefs]

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Hello VB
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Like you didn't expect to see me in a thread about the Matrix. ;D

Oh yeah, and to not be spamming, I think that Neo was my favorite character, followed closely by Smith. The Oracle is next. My least favorite character is Sypher, or Seifer, however you want to spell that, and then the Niobi. She was annoying. -.-

 

[Xenogias]

Smith and Seraph are my fav I remember when I used to play Action Half-Life... I think im going to go back into the AHL community :x

 

[Judge]

Vegeta's Brief, you obviously havent read all the posts I already said seraph was an angel, Seraph is actually hebrew for angel

 

[Deman]

Seraph rocked. I especially liked when the thugs guarding the entrance to the club called him "wingless."
That and those guys that were all bouncing onto the ceiling and walls and stuff. That was cool.

One part always got me... the part where the Oracle said "What about those who weren't out?"
Architects reply "They will be freed, of course"

I didn't understand what this meant because I thought they would still need the humans for resources, and Zion could never support a population surge like that.

Then I saw it again, and realized I misheard her. She says "What about those who WANT out" instead of WEREN'T out.

My only question is, what is the purpose of Sati? The only thing she showed that she could do was make the sky pretty. Unless I missed something again through both views

 

[Hibiki]

um they did say thoes who want out

not who wernt out


and sati is as far as i can tell super important archatech/oracle program

 

[Deman]

yep, I realize that now. says so in my post.

Thats what I was thinking that Sati was. Perhaps she may be the mix of the equation analyzing Architect with the humanist intuitive oracle.

I wish to see more of the Matrix universe

 

[Hibiki]

dont we all XD

 

[Pain]

the movies were good but the dialoge could use some work.

i found myself predicting the SAME answer over and over again. do you know what it is?

ex:
hey whats up? "you know"
hey will we get neo back? "you know"
what am i supposed to DO!!!! "you know"
what do you want? "you know"

can you see a patern here.... i must have heard "you know" at least 30 times in both sequels. thats just one example...

sometimes i think that someone wrote the script when they were stoned and then went back and made it make sense. theres an awfull lot of huge words in there that the average joe has no idea what they mean.

other than badly written dialoge it was pretty good.

 

[Vegeta's Briefs]

Vegeta's Brief, you obviously havent read all the posts I already said seraph was an angel, Seraph is actually hebrew for angel

I read them all, I just forgot that part ^^;

As for Sati, I think she was put in because of the war, you know. But that's just me. As for what her story-purpose was, I don't know. Lol. I won't even pretend too.

 

[Fuzor]

Overall I think the movie was pretty good, although it was really hyped to be this incredible movie to end all movies...I liked the action scenes but I honestly believe a wooden plank could act better then Keanu Reeves. Man that guy shows no emotions what-so-ever. 8/10

 

[Smith|]

Hmm... I was thinking...

I think that in the previous matrix's, the one went into the other door because he was trying to save man kind...

I think the Oracle wanted to stop this repeating cycle by introducing neo and trinity... to try to make them fall in love.

When they did, it made neo want to try to save her, stopping the cycle =D.