Really, Really Old Trees Discovered

[Zeonix]

That sounds like a cop-out. If it's a miracle, everyone has the right to experience it in all its glory. I should be allowed to walk in before the Priest and take a look-see to make sure there are no shenanigans.

 

[MC]

because he's the highest in rank, and its seald so that noone can iterfeer , hm, hard to ansewr...

What's there to interfere with? All he does is say a few prayers and light a few candles he has with him with the "Holy Fire", which he then gives to those outside. But what purpose is there to seal the tomb? And why is he the only one allowed to enter the tomb during this process? What makes his prayers different than others? And wouldn't prayers from more than one person to the "Holy Fire" be better than just one?

 

[final shine]

just reposted this in case u didnt see it all...

If this "Holy Fire" is indeed a miracle, then why is only the Archbishop allowed within the tomb before anyone else? And why is the tomb sealed after the Archbishop has entered?

because he's the highest in rank, and its seald so that noone can iterfeer , hm, hard to ansewr...

Re-read MC's post. It explains exactly how a flame can appear to ignite out of nowhere, and how someone can prevent injury even while their hand is within the flame.

I have no problem with J-Dude posting here as long as he says something related to the topic. I don't want to hear him complain about how we're all christian-haters and that we're all going to hell. It's old, and I'm tired of it.

i saw it, but it describes blue flame, flmae is bright yellow...

and u still havent explaind this:

again i say it happens every year

That sounds like a cop-out. If it's a miracle, everyone has the right to experience it in all its glory. I should be allowed to walk in before the Priest and take a look-see to make sure there are no shenanigans.

well if u dedicate all youre life to God like that preist maybe you wold get in there and un mask it, and i doub any new archbishop wold keep to theyre selfs if it was a true shenanigan, oh and that miracle happens sice 2000 years ago, i doubt some preist wold come up with that, + the fact that chemicals like that are hard to get...

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What's there to interfere with? All he does is say a few prayers and light a few candles he has with him with the "Holy Fire", which he then gives to those outside. But what purpose is there to seal the tomb? And why is he the only one allowed to enter the tomb during this process? What makes his prayers different than others? And wouldn't prayers from more than one person to the "Holy Fire" be better than just one?

well maybe a muslim wold enter,plant some stuff and say " hey look what i found", oh God...
and those arnt any prayers, special one told from generation to generation, and hes not the onlyone in there, pilgrims can enter after he enters, so theres no doubts,
and no, the archbishop is enough, and noone else knows the prayers, its a secret...

u guys are failing to shut me up, and u never will when it comes to this stuff

 

[Zeonix]

The flame with the hand is attached to what looks like a candle. Alright, it's yellow. Now tell me how that disproves the method mentioned to prevent injury from an open flame.

I don't see fire in that second picture. I see light.

The miracle has been happening since 2000 years ago? So this has been happening since before Jesus was Jesus? Before the Churches, before the ministries, before the priests, before his flock, before everything happened, there was this flame. That doesn't make sense to me.

I don't understand why you'd want me to pretend to be a Christian just so I could prove this miracle to be a farce. There are enough fake Christians roaming around this planet.

 

[final shine]

The flame with the hand is attached to what looks like a candle. Alright, it's yellow. Now tell me how that disproves the method mentioned to prevent injury from an open flame.

I don't see fire in that second picture. I see light.

The miracle has been happening since 2000 years ago? So this has been happening since before Jesus was Jesus? Before the Churches, before the ministries, before the priests, before his flock, before everything happened, there was this flame. That doesn't make sense to me.

I don't understand why you'd want me to pretend to be a Christian just so I could prove this miracle to be a farce. There are enough fake Christians roaming around this planet.

actualy there are more candles, and logicly that wold burn like heck even for 2 secs
that thing burns with blueish fire, the holy fire - big yellow flame that dosnt burn clothes or people, lol?

ernnn, a beam of lige with no aparent source? and its good to mention that church is pitch black before that happen, a lightsource wold easaly be spotted...

ernnn, in case u dont know, Jesus died 2000 years ago..., and every day in easter that happens..., and it still happend secretly despite the romans interdicted crestianity....

oh yea! in case u dont know easter simbolizes Jesus comeing back to life the third day afer dieing, just like the scriptures said it wold (the scriptures where wrote before Jesus was born but he knew them inside out alldoug noone teatched him that, noone had acces to them but the higher jewish preists)

 

[Zeonix]

No, it wouldn't. Again, re-read MC's post. He explains the blue flames, he explains how someone can avoid injury. Big yellow flame 12 feet up in the air? Not going to burn anyone because it's so high up, and I'm not even convinced it was fire. It looks like light. Nothing more. Surely someone can bring in a video camera and take footage of the event.

Jesus was supposedly born in the year 0. The year is 2008, so 2008-2000 = 8 A.D. If we're to believe he was killed between the years AD 26 and 36 as the bible suggests, the flame was a miracle before Jesus was anyone special.

 

[final shine]

No, it wouldn't. Again, re-read MC's post. He explains the blue flames, he explains how someone can avoid injury. Big yellow flame 12 feet up in the air? Not going to burn anyone because it's so high up, and I'm not even convinced it was fire. It looks like light. Nothing event.

Jesus was supposedly born in the year 0. The year is 2008, so 2008-2000 = 8 A.D. If we're to believe he was killed between the years AD 26 and 36 as the bible suggests, the flame was a miracle before Jesus was anyone special.

ur startig to agravate me cuz ur not paying atention...
he explains blue flames, the fire is yellow and dosnt emit heat, so hard to understand?, and i didn say thats a flame,...
thats light out in mid air . and again i say theyre not allowd with electricity, those pics and clips are taken by secret thats why they are so few and short...
..., Jesus died at the age of 36, whe he died the year became 0, it wasnt 0 befor him, understand, and from his death, passed 2008 years, hard?

 

[Zeonix]

ur startig to agravate me cuz ur not paying atention...
he explains blue flames, the fire is yellow and dosnt emit heat, so hard to understand?, and i didn say thats a flame,...
thats light out in mid air . and again i say theyre not allowd with electricity, those pics and clips are taken by secret thats why they are so few and short...
..., Jesus died at the age of 36, whe he died the year became 0, it wasnt 0 befor him, understand, and from his death, passed 2008 years, hard?

Wow, you don't even know his time line. Jesus was born between 8 BC and the AD 6, although most people tend to make 0 AD his birth date. He died between AD 26 and 36.

You must have skipped my other post explaining the yellow flame. Alright, the fire is yellow, and it isn't burning his hand. If you read MC's post, it explains how someone can stick their hand in fire and remove it uninjured. The fact that the "miracle" can only last for 3 minutes suggests to me that whatever it is that allows the hand to remain in the fire ran out.

That light out in mid-air could quite easily be light coming in through a glass window at near the top of the church.

 

[SailorAlea]

ur startig to agravate me cuz ur not paying atention...
he explains blue flames, the fire is yellow and dosnt emit heat, so hard to understand?, and i didn say thats a flame,...
thats light out in mid air . and again i say theyre not allowd with electricity, those pics and clips are taken by secret thats why they are so few and short...
..., Jesus died at the age of 36, whe he died the year became 0, it wasnt 0 befor him, understand, and from his death, passed 2008 years, hard?

Sorry.. you're just mistaken about this.

"A.D." stands for anno domini, or "in the year of our lord." It became 1 A.D. (there was no 0 A.D.) when Jesus was born. Jesus is guessed to have died between 26-36 A.D.

 

[Zeonix]

Sorry.. you're just mistaken about this.

"A.D." stands for anno domini, or "in the year of our lord." It became 1 A.D. (there was no 0 A.D.) when Jesus was born. Jesus is guessed to have died between 26-36 A.D.

Whoops.

 

[final shine]

ok i cant seem to remember that, its 3 am and i need rest...

"The mixture of carbon tetrachloride (CCl4) and carbon bisulphide (disulphide) (CS2) – both clear liquids – is about 50% of each. It is not too highly inflammable, but can easily be ignited. The result is a pale blue flame, which can only be seen in subdued light. Neither liquid should be imbibed, and should be washed off the skin quickly."

explains bright yellow? i fail to see where,
and u expect it to run forever?, maybe if we where more "clean" it wold last longer, u and i are not that devine beeings...

and sorry for you to say this but all orthodox churches are closed, maybe a few with windows but catholics tend to add them, not crestians... and neather dos that church have so no aparent light sorce, the light origin is in mid air...

 

[Chakra-X]

Zeonix, I think final shine is saying MC's post was referring to how a blue flame made that way would not burn, meaning that does not apply to a yellow flame.

And final shine, I didn't mean the concept of God seeing a few billion years as "days" would be silly, because that makes sense (though, I would think an ultimate deity lacked the burden of "waiting", meaning any length of time is meaningless to him). What I was saying, was that a human wrote the bible in terms of human words. I highly doubt a human would be as ambiguous as to describe the creation of Earth as "6 days", but actually just be a metaphor.

Isn't that why Sunday is a "holy day", the day God rested? Meaning the bible literally means "6 days", since it applies to our 7 day week. If the bible actually meant like millions of years instead of the actual 6 days, we would only have a "holy day" every millennium or so.

I remember reading on Wikipedia about what Alea posted. It bugs me that people told me it meant "after death" when I was little =/.

 

[final shine]

edit: i clearly need to rest -_-, i ment chacra-x not mc -_- (i'l be back tomorow after 12 am to continue this litle brawl...)
no mc not refering to that, those chemicals make the blue flame but its pale an must be dark to be visible, that light is
clearly yellow, clearly visible, and if that guy wold have that thing on his hands so it dosnt burn him, that means the entire church has it? i doubt that...

no again, God told the bible in terms of human words to the ones who wrote it,

i dont get what u mean by "bible literally means 6 days"

 

[Chakra-X]

i dont get what u mean by "bible literally means 6 days"

I mean 6 24-hour days that we are used to.

The bible describes God resting on Sunday, to my knowledge, after working on the Earth for 6 days (Monday through Saturday), proving that the bible specifically uses "human days" to describe the Earth's creation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism

The first paragraph describes the 6 24 hours days. (No, I and no one else secretly put that there :])

 

[MC]

There is such a thing as colored fire, in which fire is colored a specific color by simply adding a specific element to it.

 

[J-Dude]

What's this about holy fire? Are we talking of the Catholics' method of choosing popes? I don't really believe Catholicism, so I think it's more likely than not that it's faked. You never know though.

As for me bursting in every time someone pokes fun at Christianity or Christian concepts, I take mockery of my religion with the same amount of offense as I'd take mockery of my race. It's almost the same thing to me, so from there you can understand why I'd get defensive.

 

[sub]

What's this about holy fire? Are we talking of the Catholics' method of choosing popes? I don't really believe Catholicism, so I think it's more likely than not that it's faked. You never know though.

As for me bursting in every time someone pokes fun at Christianity or Christian concepts, I take mockery of my religion with the same amount of offense as I'd take mockery of my race. It's almost the same thing to me, so from there you can understand why I'd get defensive.

This has nothing to do with them choosing Popes. Theres apparently a fire every year on Easter in this one church.

 

[MC]

What's this about holy fire? Are we talking of the Catholics' method of choosing popes? I don't really believe Catholicism, so I think it's more likely than not that it's faked. You never know though.

As for me bursting in every time someone pokes fun at Christianity or Christian concepts, I take mockery of my religion with the same amount of offense as I'd take mockery of my race. It's almost the same thing to me, so from there you can understand why I'd get defensive.

We weren't mocking Christianity, we were criticizing Creationism and Creationists.

 

[KelesK]

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUSL1190625120080411?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0

I'm surprised that these trees haven't been cut down yet. I'm also surprised that these 8000 year old trees are older than the Universe.

Forgive me.

Food for thought :3

Interesting though how a topic about trees sways towards the horrible topic of religion. Such simple minded peoples...

 

[ZeroNightmare]

The flame with the hand is attached to what looks like a candle. Alright, it's yellow. Now tell me how that disproves the method mentioned to prevent injury from an open flame.

I don't see fire in that second picture. I see light.

The miracle has been happening since 2000 years ago? So this has been happening since before Jesus was Jesus? Before the Churches, before the ministries, before the priests, before his flock, before everything happened, there was this flame. That doesn't make sense to me.

I don't understand why you'd want me to pretend to be a Christian just so I could prove this miracle to be a farce. There are enough fake Christians roaming around this planet.

owned.

Can you try to speak better English final shine? If your using Firefox it has an automatic spell checker, just right click the underlined words.