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RavenRage said:
As it is, it's more realistic NOW than how you're suggesting. You say "now if it was me i would want the most concentration of my beam directly at my opponent".
Okay, so what if you're the one losing the power struggle? Would you really just accept that you're losing the struggle and just let yourself be vaporized? Unless you're a suicidal idiot, no. You would want to at least redirect the beam so it doesn't hit you. Which is how it is now.
well if you're losing the powerstruggle you shouldnt have the power to control where the beams go correct? the person shooting the beam should control where his/her beam hits if they're winning. So no of course you wouldn't want to accept that you lost a powerstruggle, but yes you shouldnt have control of the beams if you're losing the powerstruggle becuase you lost, you shouldn't have anything else to do about it if you're weak and lost
 
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Well maybe you don't have the power to return the attack, but just have enough to divert it. Nobody says that being too weak to win a power struggle means you're too weak to have an effect.
 
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i see what you're saying but in the show you didn't see vegeta struggling with goku in the saiyan saga, "hmm since i know im going to lose this struggle, i'll move the beam out of the way so possibly i wont get hurt." vegeta had nothing he could do but lose the struggle, and thus he was carried away by the beam.
 
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But Vegeta's also obsessed with his pride. I don't see him trying to settle with "just deflecting" Goku's beam. He thinks he's the strongest, and would continue trying to win at all costs, or die trying.
 
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Well maybe you don't have the power to return the attack, but just have enough to divert it. Nobody says that being too weak to win a power struggle means you're too weak to have an effect.
But Vegeta's also obsessed with his pride. I don't see him trying to settle with "just deflecting" Goku's beam. He thinks he's the strongest, and would continue trying to win at all costs, or die trying.
the power to change the direction of the blast has nothing to do with vegeta's pride. i'm talkin about changing the direction. If you're losing and are not strong enough to win, the other player should decide where the beam goes and not you. Thus my example of vegeta

i see what you're saying but in the show you didn't see vegeta struggling with goku in the saiyan saga, "hmm since i know im going to lose this struggle, i'll move the beam out of the way so possibly i wont get hurt." vegeta had nothing he could do but lose the struggle, and thus he was carried away by the beam.

or cell with gohan

gohan won the powerstruggle and killed cell. Cell couldn't control it, because he was vaporized in the blast. If you're saying the one losing should move it to the side, then cell would be alive, because if he move it to the side even thoe he lost the struggle, he'd be alive. He wouldn't of course want to die but he did die. He lost and didn't decide where the beam would go
 
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A couple things.
Again, both of those examples, Vegeta and Cell, had major pride in themselves and thought they were unbeatable. Because of that, especially in Cell's case, they may have would rather have been thoroughly thrashed instead of having to live with themselves having just barely deflected a beam from somebody they thought was way weaker than themselves.
That's just a theory of why they mightn't have done it in the show.

Another thing is that maybe they didn't even have the power to deflect the beam. They were probably in a fairly long fight already, and were all but completely spent. They may not have had the energy to even redirect the beam enough to save themselves. Either that, or their power levels didn't compare enough to have an effect quickly enough.

Anyways, those are just theories as to why it may not have happened on the show. Most, if not all, of the "bad guys" on the show had excessive pride in their own abilities. Frieza, for example, was pissed that he lost to "a monkey". So he continued attacking.


But in the game, if you don't have enough PL to compare, you can't PS in the first place. And if you don't have the ki to struggle, you can't even redirect the beam and will lose anyways. But if you have a comparable PL, you should at least be able to redirect it slightly, whether you have the ki to return it completely or not.

Someone is always winning the struggle. It is never won until the beams explode.
 
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making a loser able to redirect the beam is just plain stupid i think
"oh no i'm losing but i can turn it back cause i'm losing so why not redirect it to him so he gets killed while hes winning... weeee i won cause i lost" whats the point of making the loser being able to control the beams!
 
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Where the hell did this redirection idea come from? If you think you're too weak to win a powerstruggle, you block instead because you get a full bar of ki to use. Just so you guys realise, this has gone a little off-topic now. I might PM imkongkong since he hasn't posted for a while...
 
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how bout i throw in my 2 cents and come up with an idea thats utterly impossible???

If 2 beams collide head on they beams should not bend and curve around like snakes.

If another beam is shot with the intention of defelcting another beam, i.e. the Piccolo, Gohan & Vegeta example i saw before then the beam should act as if its deflected, not snap back.

If a 3rd party beam is shot into a head on ps (my 1st example) then that beam should detonate the other 2 beams.

Yes, you should be able to cut your beams off, e.g. you fire a beam and then you can have the choice to detonate it in mid air or release the beam from your control, or if you are in a ps and you release your beam because you are losing and don't wanna be a moron and get smashed by both of the beams.

You should be able to actually gather energy to put into the attack rather than using JUST the turbo button.

Passing thru a beamtrail should damage the person, i dont think its possible to code the beamhead being cut off and another beam beginning.

So yea... thats about all i can think of atm.

Head-on = PS
3rd Party interference in a PS = Detonation of all 3 beams
Anything else = Deflection
 
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KelesK said:
how bout i throw in my 2 cents and come up with an idea thats utterly impossible???

If 2 beams collide head on they beams should not bend and curve around like snakes.

If another beam is shot with the intention of defelcting another beam, i.e. the Piccolo, Gohan & Vegeta example i saw before then the beam should act as if its deflected, not snap back.

If a 3rd party beam is shot into a head on ps (my 1st example) then that beam should detonate the other 2 beams.

Yes, you should be able to cut your beams off, e.g. you fire a beam and then you can have the choice to detonate it in mid air or release the beam from your control, or if you are in a ps and you release your beam because you are losing and don't wanna be a moron and get smashed by both of the beams.

You should be able to actually gather energy to put into the attack rather than using JUST the turbo button.

Passing thru a beamtrail should damage the person, i dont think its possible to code the beamhead being cut off and another beam beginning.

So yea... thats about all i can think of atm.

Head-on = PS
3rd Party interference in a PS = Detonation of all 3 beams
Anything else = Deflection
KelesK...YOU ARE A god among peasants! Truely you are both cunning and.. forget the routine. Thanx for typing up all that. After reading those posts I, myself was going to do it just because this "2-Man-Posting-Rampage" had begun to annoy me**Mostly the remarks about the great tacticians (VEGETA AND CELL)**. I would like to request putting you under my Buddy List if only to comemerate your noble post!

-Vegeta and Cell thank you, as does...
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hehe thank you

/me takes a bow

but thats how it should be, now, tell me that ive fixed the arguing and that everyone is happy now :rolleyes:
 
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KelesK said:
hehe thank you

/me takes a bow

but thats how it should be, now, tell me that ive fixed the arguing and that everyone is happy now :rolleyes:
The "Great" KelesK has spoken :yes: , thus the arguements end and the topic shall continue.

The only other suggestion I can think of at the moment would be an "absorb/overtake" animation for when one blast overpowers anouther (sad..yes, but is the only other thing I could think of at the moment...afterall it's already 1:00 A.M. and I haven't even looked at my Spanish words for my test O_O ...Oh well :rolleyes: *PROCRASTINATOR 4 LIFE!* :cool: :yes: ) :tired:

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KelesK said:
That would be cool
Thank you.

And maybe a Big ball PS sprite with Animation (Gohan VS Cell, and Majin Vegeta VS Goku)..just an idea ;D :laff:

Goodbye
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i agreee with the 2 beams overpowering each other and heading right back to the person who fired the beam and is now loosing the Ps....but i dont agreee with the whole beam trail hurts u stuff...that would cause so many probs...and they are right mykong what if 2 people shoot a beam and then a third party from the side shoots one? how would thast loook..and in a deathmatch its everyone for everyone...so who would the beam go in favor for if a third party decided to join?...it wouldnt really work in a deathmatch...
 
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its quite much to read so i didnt read all... and if this has been said here already im sry...
wasnt this sugested way to many times before???? i mean i sugested, i saw it elswere many times, so... :rolleyes: :S :\

ow nd btw i like the idea... very much
 

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are you guys kidding me i do powerstruggles all the time, its one of my favouite things.It would suck bad of they took it out cause some people dont use it. thats like saying take out teleport i only use a little.
 
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i'm sorry you last two people who said something about taking out powerstruggles haven't even read the entire thread and don't know what the thread is about, why don't you read it before you make a comment about something you don't even know what was discussed?
 
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dbZ_fAnaTic said:
i'm sorry you last two people who said something about taking out powerstruggles haven't even read the entire thread and don't know what the thread is about, why don't you read it before you make a comment about something you don't even know what was discussed?
i said (clearly) that i want the new feature and that it was sugested before...
so man read it again lol... i just dont agree with the trail hurting u... so i read... thats all...
 
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uhh i just wanted to say that the reason veg didnt redirect the blast in his first fight with goku was because gokus kame didnt have a head. it was a wave. say he did point his GG in a dif direction, well great. nothing would happen. there is nothing for his GG to push in that direction. its up against a stream of energy coming from goku. anyways, ps is pretty good right now. i do wish the heads would collide and have cool effects coming from between them. to do this, just make it so you cant have a ps if the beams dont hit exactly on each other. ill see an sbc just miss a sb on the side or something, but they still enter a ps. whats up with that? and about the team ps heads fusing together. you wouldnt have to move the player or snap the beams togheter or anything. just make it so where all the beams collide, you would see one huge ball of energy with several beam trails coming out of it in different directions toward each player involved in the ps. maybe make the ball really really bright and have the camera shake or something.... yeah...
 

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