Opinions on Life/Reality

[Xenogias]

Holy Crap...
I been gone for two days... so many replies...

Anyway, im lost so uhh just let me read whats been going on here

 

[Lynxy]

It's a matter of opinion. One believes you'll reborn into a new body, won't remember a thing from your previous life. While the other one thinks you'll just fade away and look at earth from some cloudy heaven he got into.

If you have a solid opinion and theory about that, that's that. Can't be changed whether you say there's this God creating this all, or this was pure luck. It's rather senseless discussing about this, as noone is even going to get convinced by one another. Leave it be and let people think for themself, there's nothing to proof.

I have my own things to believe. As do others, just leave it.

 

[majin goketa]

It's a matter of opinion. One believes you'll reborn into a new body, won't remember a thing from your previous life. While the other one thinks you'll just fade away and look at earth from some cloudy heaven he got into.

If you have a solid opinion and theory about that, that's that. Can't be changed whether you say there's this God creating this all, or this was pure luck. It's rather senseless discussing about this, as noone is even going to get convinced by one another. Leave it be and let people think for themself, there's nothing to proof.

I have my own things to believe. As do others, just leave it.

Probably the smartest opinion yet.

It is your biased interpretation of those articles that allows them to lead you to believe that there is a far greater likelyhood of God existing than not.

You might be right. It's just I think the world looks to well deseigned, especially our intelligence I just think thats weird for an accident.
Then again I suppose it can always be said we've never seen God so you can never be sure.

 

[Hitokiri]

lol Lynx, arguing over the internet is a bit pointless, yes, nobody will ever convince the other. However informing us of the pointlessness of it all is equally useless. Trust me I've failed all the time :S

 

[Lynxy]

Most discussion which are finding place at these forums have something to balance on, facts, pure facts. The problem with this matter is, there are no facts. There are people here believing in God, and there are scientists who want facts being proven, not some lame fairy-tale about God who created all this.

I wouldn't fall in here just to say this is pointless, I'm just saying there is no right or wrong here. It's based on opinions. We all have our rights to share opinions. But I sense a thing little more bigger than that. I'm actually seeing people trying to convince eachother something which cannot be explained. (Sounds utterly stupid, use a little imagination and you'll get my point).

Sorry, didn't want to come over to tell people how pointless this is. But as I see people trying to convince eachother, I thought maybe a little reminder would help

 

[Effigy]

Theory on Time - By Effigy

I have a theory, and that is that time is only what we percieve it to be.
Basically i believe that time is not effected for our life span nor the activities in which we partake in.
It is a matter of brain function rather than measurement. The old phrase 'time flies while your having fun' is true as the brain is being subjected to all manner of stimulation. A subject that bores you lowers the stimulation, therefore making the mind more perceptive to its surroundings, which ultimately gives you the feeling of a slower 'time'.

I have thought about an example and the best thing I could summon was:
Dogs.
Some may be thinking :S towards that but there is some truth to be told when explaining my theory.
Notice how a dog can so easily amuse itself with something simple like a towel. It will drag around the object for as much time as it will
a) take to get tired
b) realise a higher priority thing to do

Because of this i think that dogs cannot percive time as we know it, or cannot percieve time at all. It is for this reason i believe that brain capacity is an important factor in the processes that the mind reads as time.

Remember these words and dont flame me for thinking intellectually.

 

[SaiyanPrideXIX]

WHen last I read of it, the big crunch theory involved the universe's eventual collapse, as has been mentioned here.

What no one mentioned, was that the theory of the universe's collapse is directly related to another theory: that the supercompacting of the current universe's contents is actually what causes the big bang, and hence a new universe is created all over again.

That much being said, I'm an atheist and I support the random theories. The theories about God are the only illogical things I see in this thread; you see, to say that a physical being sat down and created existence is foolish, if for no other reason than the understanding that there is only one universe and it is made up of existing empty space. Before this was here, there was nothing--and I don't mean empty space, either. I mean literally, NOTHING.

We've found no evidence that there are other universes existing parallel to this one. So where's god from? Another dimension? The future? Or maybe he's just plain so powerful that he doesn't even need to exist himself to create existence, right?

Who's to say how many times before now that this universe of ours exploded, contrated, and re-exploded again. The big bang theory is the only theory I've seen worth even considering about the Universe's origins. The rest--including the big magic happy guy in the sky who fixes everything and makes us all feel good when we do wrong. and loves everyone equally so as to never have anything bad happen to them--are particularly stupid and illogical.

God is simply a machination by primitive human beings, designed to explain the unexplainable. Do you recall what they drank all throughout the bible? Wine. Pure, unprocessed, wine. Constantly, like we drink pepsi or sprite. The Bible itself is the drunken rantings and unsupported theories of so many bored philosophers.

Some of those "unexplainable things" that they had to invent God to answer are as follows:
--Thunder and lightning
--Floods
--Plague and disease

There's many more but all of them have one thing in common--they all had an actual explanation.

if there IS a god, and he IS responsible, well personally I think he's a sick, amoral ****. Look what he does to us: "you run around for a bit in my little rat race called life, and I get amusement and enjoyment out of it for 70 years on average, then I put you on trial for how you did during my little sadistic game. If I like how you acted, I let you come up to where I live in a little permanent daycare full of fantasies. If you piss me off, you're damned/banned/forgotten/unwanted/left behind. Fair enough? Ready...GO!!"

We're one big stupid reality show for God...? Uh uh, I don't feel that. No deal. Sorry. If there is a God, we're all just pieces on his stupid little board game. I don't like that at all.

One of the absolute best takes on God is in Anne Rice's book, "Memnoch, The Devil." Anyone ever read it? Great story. hehe.

As for the whole "perfect balance, it must be rigged" theory...we're neglecting one very important word...EVOLUTION. It doesn't matter what the small physical laws we can endure are; we have to kill that noise, cause it's either we roll over and die, or we evolve. Whatever the rules we can live with are, once life comes into existence, it falls in line with those rules. That's what evolution is.

And if you ask me, if God was so interested in watching over us, and all that ****, then why did he build us with the self-sustaining abilities to create new things and to adapt to most any given changes in the universe?

If there IS a god, he put this **** on autopilot, that's why. And to me that'd be the same as any parent turning it's back on so many children. Just amoral and cruel.

 

[SailorAlea]

You seem to have the most hatred inside of you than anyone else I've ever seen on this forum.

Anyway, I had already mentioned the neverending cycle of the BigBang and the BigCrunch earlier in this thread, even though you said no one had.

Majin Goketa also responded, and showed me several articles, that the Scientific community has dismissed the Big Crunch completely, it is no longer an accepted theory.

I do believe that Religion sprouted off of Humanity's biological need for self preservation--we fear death, and the drive to preserve ourselves is our primary instinct. What better way to do so then to believe that we shall live forever in Heaven? There's nothing to fear if you're not gone.

Anyway..I am agnostic, not athiest, however through all my studies of astrophysics, I've found no explanation for the creation of the Big Bang. It is explained by science how it was a point of infinite density, and so on..

and since the Big Crunch has been dismissed, what is the origin of that singularity? Science has no explanation, but Religion does.

I believe someone or something created the Universe. Whether it's a god, or merely someone from a realm outside our perception, I don't know, and I don't think anybody can know.

 

[Judge]

someone ones said, that its smart to believe, and that its the wise thing to do.

because if you believe, and god does exist (when you're dead). you believed in him and were right. if you believe and it turns out he doesnt exist..then you wouldnt care anymore because you are just dead.

its just too bad, that believing isnt a matter of choice. its a matter of feeling. I cant force myself to believe something I just honestly dont believe.

 

[SailorAlea]

Well said, Judge.

 

[Hitokiri]

Heh. I have a friend who thinks like that, Judge. I call him a "Just-in-case-Christian" because the only reason he believes in God is because he figures he has nothing to lose, because what does he get if he doesn't believe, right? Nothing. And if by some chance he was right he gets to spend life in heaven and such.

SaiyanPride, as Alea said, the Big Crunch has been disproven. Another dimension or plane that a creator would live on has not been proven, yes, we haven't looked "outside the universe" so to speak, because frankly that's too far if it's even possible. The sheer fact that we can't look that far gives reason to the possibility that there could be an alternate space beyond the bounds of the universe. We've found no evidence DISPROVING a second, outer universe/parallel dimension or whatever one might want to call it. That simple fact opens the possibility in belief. This really doesn't go in line with Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.



And this entire thread has pretty much been arguing the probobility of a creator-type entity versus the probobility of a universe existing/being created without an external power. Nobody involved in the debate has brought up any belief that God is everything or ANYTHING that Christianity or any other religion makes him out to be, or that he's benevolent or vengeful or if he watched over us, watches over us, or simply made things and walked away. So while your rant of hatred against organized religion was very charming, it's a lil off-topic

PS: I speak from the agnostic viewpoint as well, I'm just sort of playing devil's advocate right now I guess...

 

[Judge]

yeah but by the way, if you dont believe...that doesnt mean you wouldnt reach heaven really

if god is almighty (which he is). then he's mercifull. he wouldnt 'reject' someone to heaven just because the guy didnt believe in him. he should be mercifull. because that is what he's all about, being good, and showing people the path to happyness eh.

I do know that if I get married, and if I get a child. I would raise the kid in a christian way, not orthodox ofcourse, but a christian school. because if you know the bible and the stories, then you can create your own oppinion about it. whether you believe it or not. like what happened to me.. I know the bible and the stories, but I formed my own oppinion about that. I want the same to happen to my child. to form his own oppinion, whether he believes or not is not relevant.

 

[majin goketa]

And this entire thread has pretty much been arguing the probobility of a creator-type entity versus the probobility of a universe existing/being created without an external power. Nobody involved in the debate has brought up any belief that God is everything or ANYTHING that Christianity or any other religion makes him out to be.

Exactly, I don't beleive in any religon at all, but I believe that there is a God and by God I mean intelligent creator of the Universe. Even if it's a being from another realm or some "super bee", anything that can create universes fits into my definition of a God.

The only Scientific theory that explains our universes complexity besides that God created it is the theory of Spacial/Black Hole inheritence, which in my opinion is the best atheist theory.
I know Sonic Boyster said to explain Scientific theories but I'm not going to explain this unless someone wants me to, cause it's a bit long and I'm lazy.

 

[Hitokiri]

yeah but by the way, if you dont believe...that doesnt mean you wouldnt reach heaven really

if god is almighty (which he is). then he's mercifull. he wouldnt 'reject' someone to heaven just because the guy didnt believe in him. he should be mercifull. because that is what he's all about, being good, and showing people the path to happyness eh.

That's all just religious doctrine. First of all, having power has nothing to do with how merciful you are. That's pretty much coming to an unfounded suggestion about the "nature of God," something that probobly isn't even fathomable provided a creator exists.

And for what you said first, I'm afraid there are some followers of Christianity, Islam, what have you, who believe that if your faith is so much as WAVERING, not even a flat out atheist, that you will go straight to hell. They believe people born on islands or remote areas that have no contact with their belief system were predetermined by God to be doomed to Hell. Merciless eh? Its all a matter of interpretation. As it stands nobody can say who is correct, if in fact ANYBODY is correct. For all you know, the omnipotent creator could be some prick who made everything, farted, and walked on to make some more stuff. The entity may have somehow ceased to exist after beginning the universe (provided that it did.)

I hope this doesn't start any ridiculous religion flamewars. That's really the last thing I'm looking for. This was more a scientific thread than a religious one, IMO, I don't wanna hear about crying statues of the virgin mary and stuff trying to prove that a God exists/now/always or something... that's sort of where things cross up -_-.

 

[majin goketa]

I have a statue of the virgin Mary and everyday it weeps blood and teaches me values and how to love my fellow man and sometimes when I'm alone with it...........

Hitokiri is right. This tread better not turn into a religon flame war, but should be scientific.

 

[Sonic the Vampire]

This would be a good point at which to bust out some neuro-theology but that would just cause boatloads of questions and possibly flames. If I can find a decent article on it I'll post it though.

 

[Judge]

yeah thats true Hitokiri, its actually all about simulacra and simulation. a book made by Jean Baudrillard. its about the decay of meaning.

I miss-typed the part about having power means mercifull. I just meant to say 'god is mercifull'. but i'm an atheist so in the end I wouldnt mind.

high expectations are planned disappointments. only way to know if there is a god is by dying. but if there is no god, you're just dead eh

but we need another subject, I mean the topic is oppinions on life/reality, so there is a lot more to 'discuss' than a talk about god.

 

[Vegeta's Briefs]

They found the missing day in time that God made ;/ NASA did.

Anyways, my opinion on life is that it is simply this: A way to prepare for death.

So that's my two cents

 

[Sonic the Vampire]

They found the missing day in time that God made ;/ NASA did.

Could you translate this part into English?

 

[majin goketa]

Hey, Sonic Boyster whats Neuro-Theology?