Meelee Scripts....

[KarrdeKNR]

First off, last I checked, you can't do anything about bind scripts. I don't think you can code them out. Also, to your "why not do it with one button?" It eliminates your ability to mess it up. Scripts help remove human error and automate things so you won't mess things up. If yo mess somethign up, it's your fault and that's the way it should be. Scripts make it more the computer than the human.

-Karrde-

 

[D.C. Darkling]

if ya code cfg files out you can. :/ But still.. some scripts are not evil.

Unfortunately most are. :'(

 

[thatdamngood]

lol big bang attack. i played pcjoe. hes no god trust me. hes got skill, but so do i :devgrin:

 

[LOGiSTiCs]

that big bang is well dangerous

 

[Twysta]

Originally posted by LOGiSTiCs
Why press two buttons to duck and jump when you can do it all in one button?

Scipts are fine and i dont mine them at all, scripts are just like macros and why press 4 buttons when you can press 1? the answer to that is that in the time give you can press more buttons in a certain time frame than pressing a sequence of them.

Bit like mortal Kombat, why press 8 buttons to do a fatality when you can do it with 2 or maybe even 1?

Dont forgot ur movement and keyboard buttons are all scripted! so when you move left or right its more or less a script!

I say if you can script or think its funfair LEARN how to! if you dont want to learn how to or think its unfair dont play on that server. Scripts like Meelee and other scripts just show again how flimsy the meelee code is and how it can be exploited.

It took Value several years to realise that cheating was killing there half life game and then they took action by producing anti cheat code etc.

If the ESF crew realise that scripts of this nature can really spoil there game they will do something! but at the moment while meelee combat stays the same code and scripts are going to continue to ruin there game they created

I dont know about ESF scripters but in general a person using a script of some kind on any game, did not make it themself and does not know how to make one. And even if they know how to make a script (its really simple) it doesnt give you any right to use it. You are not more advanced if you use them, it is the opposite. So you use scripts? That means you suck so bad you need an automated config to run commands for you so you can beat someone. Scripters vs. Scripters why not just watch some kibots battle each other

 

[Hibiki]

actualy nothing any melee scripts do is cheating


its all possible to do the stuff they do in the scripts as long as u know how to u too can see that u can do just what they can do with out a script

 

[Sonic the Vampire]

That made no sense. It is physically impossible to press the teleport key 8 times in under 1/10th of a second. I know how to do it, but I can't, because it's physically impossible. A script makes the impossible possible. Normally it would be impossible to hit someone without them at least hearing the first zanzoken. With a script you can smash them before the sound reaches them. That's as cheating as it gets in ESF.

 

[Hibiki]

no it isnt


it is possible to do that u just cant


i mean if someone can knock u up and teleport up and smash u down with out a script is that cheating?

nope it isnt there just doing something u cant



a cheat would be soemthing that edits the game code to give an unfair advantage to one person

there is nothing thats stoping anyone else from using a script vs someone else

 

[catfish]

Originally posted by NightShade
to me anything that makes life easier and not able to do it by the game is a cheat. i think buy scripts are also in cs. saves time ya. but if they wanted you to do it. they would have added it in the game

This is really a paradox (or similar). You say that if people write scripts to use in games, it's cheating. If they wanted you to use scripts to make playing the game easier then they would add it into the game. But the fact is, it IS in the game. It's in the halflife engine.

Now I'm no fool, I can see why some people say scripts are "cheats". It was mentioned that there's "melee" scripts that automatically counter when people block. This, IMO is a cheating script. However... throughout hundreds, possibly thoushands of hours of gameplay I've learnt that if someone uses a pattern in their gameplay, you can ALWAYS break it. And a script gives you these patterns. On the other hand, the teleport scripts I don't see as a cheat. First let's look at some things:

The player and yourself will likely be melee battling. So - they have a BIG RED BOX around them. If they 'triple teleport' away, they might disappear from your scouter but thy still gonna have a BIG RED BOX around them. Swoop one or two times and you'll be kicking their arse as they finish recharging their ki.

So really, I don't see all scripts as cheating. And in fact, using scripts to do complicated battle moves for you will only leave you open to be beaten. People used to ***** about me setting the gl_modulate variable in quake2 to 20 or 30 so there were no shadows. For god's sake, it was a video card/software setting! If I take he time to read some manuals or webpages about what all he variables do, then that's my advantage to use them. Nothin stops them from using the settings too.

Scripts with advantages are cheats.Scripts used to talk are not

Another paradox. Is it an advantage to you to NOT have to stop and type something in to your teammates? Yes it is. Therefore, if "scripts with advantages" are cheats, talk scripts are cheat scripts.

EDIT: I can also see now what people mean about the teleport scripts being a cheat. Ppl use them as a way to attack, not a way to escape like my thinking is when I use it (on LAN games don't play online anymore) this is cheating i would suppose.

 

[RaVe]

shade,i use buying scripts sometimes,but only if my pings real bad,and gg on central #2

teleporting scripts are also considered cheats by almost everyone here,I know those with higher ping will most likely have those,but it takes away all the hardwork you need to do,like a cheat does,and cheats are used by the same thing,the HL engine

and if you wondered where youre thread went,it got deleted because it was considered a cheat,go figure it out,and 2 teleports are better than 10

EDIT: Forgot to add this: Where does pcjoe play?

 

[QSD]

Originally posted by )V(ajin n00b
i don't care if they are using scripts, actually using a script gives them a disadvantage. because they don't have much choice of what to do. they might teleport fast and try to run away. but still, it won't save them.



lol. they don't admit it, they just don't have time to teach n00bs how are they doing it. or they don't want to give away thier tactics, or maybe they enjoy frustrating n00bs.
i was acused of hacking once, i didn't care, i said yes i am a hacker! then another guy said he will judge me O_O lol. i had a score of 35-0 that day, until somebody disced me! :cry: actually it wasn't a cheap kill. i was oreparing for him! i was going to make my move! but i don't know how he got me!! :talk:

anyway .. so IMO scripts aren't much of a cheat.

yea so all stop complaining ogc and ak is good, all scripts are good!!!!
(ogc and ak are both scripts, they just got a menu to select wich script u wanna use)

 

[Snow]

Originally posted by QSD
yea so all stop complaining ogc and ak is good, all scripts are good!!!!
(ogc and ak are both scripts, they just got a menu to select wich script u wanna use)

What you use scripts?

I think the best thing just happened to me, I think iam and ok meeler. The apes IMO are the best. i was playing a kid when i entered the server he was winning like 100 frags and like 60 or 70 deaths so when i started to kick his a$s with meele he told everyone i have a script and that i was hacking. It didnt matter to me IMO in was a complament. LOL

 

[LOGiSTiCs]

does anyone know if there is going to be any changes in the code regarding meelee in beta 1.1?

 

[Phizzle]

Dang, I was playing this ape member, and he did the exact same things mentioned in this thread. At first I thought he was really good because he was in ape, but when I hit him, in a millisecond (maybe less) he hit me back. He also did some sort of triple teleport, too. Also, when we were PSing we both charged some kames, and I was stronger, and he started winning.

 

[Sonic the Vampire]

Could be scripting, or maybe not. The tripple teleport is a really common bind, even among people who don't like them. Why? Hell if I know. People will do anything to get an edge.

As for getting counted in "miliseconds," I can do it to. And I do. People accuse me of scripting, but all it takes is experience and you can actually press block *and* attack just before your opponent actually connects with you to beat them backwards. As for beating you in a power struggle... it sounds suspicious, but I've seen no solid evidence that a script could manage that. I've even bound attack to mousewheel and it didn't give me any kind of an edge in a power struggle. In fact, it gave me a penalty.

 

[Jedimaster]

Originally posted by Sonic Boyster
That made no sense. It is physically impossible to press the teleport key 8 times in under 1/10th of a second. I know how to do it, but I can't, because it's physically impossible. A script makes the impossible possible. Normally it would be impossible to hit someone without them at least hearing the first zanzoken. With a script you can smash them before the sound reaches them. That's as cheating as it gets in ESF.

Originally posted by Hibiki
no it isnt

it is possible to do that u just cant

i mean if someone can knock u up and teleport up and smash u down with out a script is that cheating?

nope it isnt there just doing something u cant

a cheat would be soemthing that edits the game code to give an unfair advantage to one person

there is nothing thats stoping anyone else from using a script vs someone else

[/b]

You're wrong, Hibiki. Even OGC would be an allowed 'script' with your definition.
I'm a programmer, and i think ogc works like calculating the vertexes, setting the Crosshair to the correct vertex and then uses the fire-button .... EVEN YOU COULD DO THAT, SO THAT'S NO CHEAT ??

But the real difference is, that your would yourself need about 5 minutes to calculate the vertexes, about 5 sec. to set the aim to the correct vertex and press fire.

Let's resume: Whats the difference:

About 5:05 Minutes ....

And that's why all scripts(exept SSJ Script and such kinds of script) and binds are cheats. They save time, AND do actions more accurate than any human could do (you could calculate the vertex wrong...)

And in ESF every ms is counting, because it's one of the fastest games i've ever played. Saving only 50 ms each action (about the time you need to press a key) gives you a major advantage against your enemy. And that's the cheat... to save time and be faster as your enemy.

Sorry 4 bad english...

 

[imported_Mystix]

scripts are for the weak.. and apperently.. i have not came upon a scripter in my life while playing esf.. yet

also.. i really get tired of being "hated" on when i play.. i get called a scripter or a cheater everyday that i play.. just to let u guys know once and for all.. i dont have any scripts nore any cheats..;(

 

[|X|trem[3]]

I know that MyS is good cuz I played him because but same thing happens to me :talk:

 

[The Midget Mang]

i agree with Mystix, scripting is for the weak and unskilled. I am able to do a 4-hit melee combo to many people and kill them without them even having the slightest chance to hurt me. When i do that, I am immediatly called a: "hacker", "scripter", "cheater" and pretty much whatever the hell else they can come up with. It does get very old, so for all the newbies out there that accuse us skilled players of cheating, grow up. This is not counter-strike where you can automatically accuse a person of cheating to cover up your lack of skill. Get over it. :laff:

 

[sjj_gohan]

There are really scripts like this?!?!?! i mean i was cought a hacker for flying in front of someone teleporting behind then attacking them with melee. And the guy said to me "hey Ultimate are you a hacker or somthing how did you do that?" i thought he was joking. but this explains why i cant beat some guy (ESF: User name:Magus or Slash im not saying its the Magus from the forum i just know his a Crono Trigger fan lol)