HOWing, what's your take?

[Pain]

apparently i used to be a HOW but people have told me ive gotten better. :fight: *shrug* i didnt even know i changed my technique. :shocked: . anyway if i can change and not even know it then there is hope for EVERYBODY!!!! YAY!! :\ :fight: :S

 

[nsw316]

Okay, well here's a question to those who think it is cheap: Why do most players point out their own weaknesses and call them cheap?

Okay, well here's a question to those who think it is not cheap: Why do you abuse such a bug that has no variation in attack? you just wait, charge and swoop resulting in a quick melee hit.

You can think of many ways to get around a HOW on these forums but In-Game your options have narrowed down due to the players in the servers besides the two 'dueling.' You now have beams, beam explosions, double teamers and what not. Now for all those cheap things you have not thought of such a 'crafty' acronym for them, yet only for the one that is harder to get out of.
It has been a proven fact that people look for their own mistakes in others. This could mean that you were called a HOW and wanted to change, but by changing you now call everyone that is 'abusing' this bug a HOW. But still, most players that have done it say "You HOW!! you suxors so much!!!111!!" after someone gets into a head on, just one head on.
Nifty things about Alpha 2.0 were the BB Whores. Everyone knew about people that would abuse the power and overbalance of vegeta. Now you might have most of them calling them a 'n00b' but it didn't result in a 'kick out of the server' just a 4 v 1 on the BBwhore.
In the first Beta the block counter was quickly looked down upon. Now, when me and Shade used to play together his only downside to his motion of attack was a purely defensive person. I was the 'purely' defensive person that, in a way, bettered his skills by rounding out all of his strong point.
I'm saying that if you are being 'beaten up' by these so called "whores" then you should try and find an alternative method to have fun. Use more beams, beams in Beta 1.1 stop swoops. Use more turns and "tele hits" in your style of attack. Don't just rely on one aspect of the game such as Melee, or Head Ons but use all of the attacks to your advantage.

 

[UltimaWeapon444]

Well I just gotta put my two cents in this one.

I think that HOWing is being thrown around so much lately. I started a game yesterday and punched a guy once...and was accused of HOWing, It was nuts.

Anyway, Most people know that the 1.1 melee system is based on ki. I wouldn't consider that a bug. HOWing is just a fighting style that a lot(mostly n00bs) use. I think what makes a good fighter is someone who can get around any fighting style.

Also, block countering can still be used in 1.1 I have seen it.

 

[Lynxy]

It's not that I can't beat it, it's just annoying if someone repeats it constantly, don't you get it? It's not about getting a win out of it, perhaps to some, not to me. If I can clearly outmatch someone in turns, swoops etc, I'm satisfied. I can beat most of the HOWers, but that doesn't take away it isn't sad. "Oh Lynx you're good, so why'd you care if I HOW anyway?", I'm hearing that quite frequently, I don't care if I win, it's about how the game goes.

I always hated block(counter) in 1.0, because of it's cheap advantage. And I'm exactly the same with HOW or LSM. If I put my mind to it, I could bash HOWers with ease and crush them one by one, but that isn't the point. People doing it are just sad, that's all I can say. And I can't convert anyone to like or dislike HOWing, it's just the way you think about it, that's all. It's just my opinion, no need to flame/attack me in any way, since everyone's sharing their opinion in here (Just a hint for those who were about to flame me to bits).

Yet again,
-Lynx-

 

[Sonic the Vampire]

Please stop whining and start playing. I'm sure many of us are getting tired of these threads. You all know damn well that the current melee system was just a quick fix and not only is advanced melee being introduced in 1.2, but head on collisions in simple melee will no longer be based on ki. Complaining about it now serves no purpous other than getting the rest of the forum all riled up. Please consider just turning the other cheek when someone starts abusing it and making you angry, it'll do no good to vent at them, though you might consider politely asking them to stop.

Just a thought. We've got enough of these threads now, let's not just keep dragging them out, alright?

 

[Epedemic_Optikz]

Yes that is true that 1.2 is coming out quick with advanced melee and it might fix all of those problems but with the way the people are at the forum they're gonna start new acronyms like MSW(Melee Struggle Whore) and unHOWer and other dum stuff like that.... :] :S

 

[GMan]

You GEF!

Grammatical error fiend!

 

[grOOvy]

@Sonic Boyster:

This thread, unlike the other whining one as you have correctly pointed out, is a proper discussion and some of the better players are putting forward their points. I personally find nothing wrong with it. I think it's good they express their honest opinion on HOWing itself (and not cry about it like the other threads illustrate). Read the content, this is rather enlightning in a sense.

And trust me, I know these guys who are posting and they play more than 95% of the other users on these forums. So they know what they're talking about.

 

[Amitron]

Hmm what i think about HOWing...well apparently im kinda a HOWer myself even though i didnt realize it.Then it was pointed out to me by optional thatt i was. I wasnt trying to be cheap i was just trying to get away and trying to see the person that i was fighting and then charge at them. I've been trying to stop and use different tactics because so many people hate it(and i think i have stopped somewhat), but i dont really know if i'd say its cheap. Its a part of the game and just like ever other part of the game theres a way to counter...so i dont see what the big deal is....but thats just my opinion.

 

[Darkside]

i agree with groovy on this. When i fight someone who HOWs i disk em :laff:

 

[Hitokiri]

Oi.

HOWing...lsm... personally I hate labelling crap like that. I simply call it abusing the ki-system. I wouldn't really consider it a bug... more like using what is there as effectively as possible. But the key is that those styles of play are not the way the game was -=meant=- to be played. The team, I should think, did not have the goal of wanting the "best of the best" to be the people with the most effective ki-management.

However in my opinion I have to agree with most of the people here saying it's a lame way to fight. I don't care for people who play like that. I'm too lazy to bother with those people, so either I'll leave the server or I'll fight fire with fire; and believe me, even if I start winning, it's not fun or satisfying in the least to defeat a guy who abuses the ki-system by abusing the ki-system better than him. That's just a waste of my time. The goal is having fun.

Now and then I am in fact called a HOW when I out-ki someone for a few hits, even though before and after that moment I get continually out-ki'ed by them. If I bring this up to them in-game, they'll make up some fickle excuse seperating their strategy from "lame HOWing." Indeed it would seem that the difference between cheapness and honor is a very thin, wavey line defined by many different people in many different ways, and by now I've really stopped caring about anyone's view of that line but my own. Yes, many, many people who yammer and complain about this crap are in fact complete hypocrites, and if I wanted I could name a few on these very forums who obviously haven't looked in the mirror to see that they are everything that they apparently hate so much.

This is a small, temporary issue until the next patch (I hope.) I simply sit back and let people play as they want. After all, the clock is ticking, down to when their style of play becomes useless and the people who actually tried to play for fun, as opposed to those who played to win as easily as possible, will be the best. In fact that may still be so right now.

I still prefer this to the ping system. At least now my enemy has to stop and charge is ki to beat me at a head-on, as opposed to them simply beating me to it whenever they want.

-Hito :yes:

 

[GatSu]

I never found Countering anything "Cheap". IF you feel you have to keep trying to attack me, then well its youe fault, kinda like when a kid keeps touch the hot stove.

This HOWing, I dont totally get it being labled cheap. you can block people that hit you head on cant you? If they constantly have to use the same move over and over again so thier screen Increases the win column vs the lose column, then, meh!

 

[GMan]

Inexperienced players like the KI system because it makes it easy for them to compete with good players. Good players like the KI system because it's so easy, it makes them better.

 

[-{VC}- sWiTcH]

I say it like this.

*a guy only attacks me if i attack him and barely gets anywhere*
Me: dude, you shouldnt wait for me 2 attack you
the guy: everyone blames it on that when im just ub3r l33t kick-ur-azz
Me: if everyone is saying it to you, maybe its b/c u do =P
the guy: w/e, come here so i can kill you

The last line I stoll from esf bots, it fits my idea of howing personally
It is wrong to abuse the way melee works, but I dont think you should blame everything on howing. Well thats my 2 cents

 

[Suicidemeleeman]

As a dedicated ESF player I have always found myself striving to be better than I was the last time I logged onto a server. The ki based melee system is not what I think you would call a "bug". It is, afterall, the system which was planned and implemented by the team. I rarely "HOW" or "LSM" myself just due to the fact that I find other ways of fighting more enjoyable. However, if someone has chosen to use such a fighting style against me, I hold nothing against them. Hey, its their choice if they wish to use such a style, whether it involves less skill than another style or not. Players who choose this fighting style usually just drive me to try harder to kill them, however hard to kill they may be. I personally find the kill that much more satisfying once I've triumphed.

People should fight the way they like. Its a game and about having fun of course(yes, I know most of you already know this). If a "HOWer" kills me then I've gotta find a way around it so he finds himself at his spawn point instead of me. Peace.

--Edit: oh heh and I voted on the second choice in case you didn't already figure that out.

--Justin

 

[Darkside]

die HOW'rs die! >_<

 

[Lilum]

HOW'ing... easily beaten, rarely a trouble, just not something always expected.
I'm a HOW. I don't mind the term much. Then again, I'm mainly a beam whore, as I see ki attacks as funner, and more important. So when someone attacks me in melee, I do HOW. Why? Because if I start swooping at them and going on the offensive, it's like an agreement to melee. If you're HOW'ing it's more of batting someone away, and saying "I don't want to melee." Also, people will stop trying to melee you quicker if you're being a HOW.

 

[-{VC}- sWiTcH]

Lilum's got a point there. When your fighting a hower, maybe u shouldnt be so tough on them. After all maybe they just dont want to fight (even though melee is 50 % of the game)

 

[Darkside]

i never thought of it that way... usually when someone HOW's me once or twice, i make it my duty to beat the crap outta them.

 

[GMan]

i make it my duty to beat the crap outta them.

Yes. Maybe one, four, or eighteen times, at least. Depends on the situation.