Harry Potter And The Order Of The Phoenix [Spoilers?]

[Engar]

*aggree's with Lid, HP3 = Greatness.*

Inspite of that though, I really liked the book. Theres 7 in the list which means 2 more to go folks..

 

[Abhorsen]

Lol 7!At the rate she is going book 7 is going to be 2,000 pages long and come in 2 volumes! But anyways what was that game they played with all the floating balls?It looked pretty cool.

 

[Engar]

The game your thinking of is Quidditch and it is a pretty cool game, probably one of the high points of both movies was getting to watch two Quidditch matches.

There is even plans for making a stand alone game called "Harry Potter: Quidditch World Cup" where you start of playing for the team of your choice in Hogwarts, then move on to a national team once you leave the school.

http://pc.ign.com/articles/403/403231p1.html

 

[Morrone]

I finally decided to get this book. I'm am not or ever was the type of person who pre-orders or purchases an item the day it comes out. I've never had that urge for anything that wasn't a necessity.

I had read the previous book and like every story of read, watched, or heard I always like the latest version the best. It's just something about the additional information that intrigues me. Now to tell you my thoughts on the book.

I'm not an avid fan of the HP series but I have read them all. I found it silly how Sirius died. Reason being the reader never got a chance to like him. The only sadness in his death was that the read felt toward Harry. The reader themself wasn't directly affected. JK Rowling never let you get to know Sirius. Grant it he meant something to Harry and that alone was the only reason it had an impact. I personally would have thought more of the death of a DA member and give Sirius another book for us to get to know him more.

The dueling at the end (not V vs D but the DE vs OOP) was rather pathetic. I mean how easy is it to dodge a spell? Is it that hard to point a wand correctly at someone 20 feet away from you?

The whole Cho and Harry thing was rather pathetic but Harry seems to be rather idiotic when it comes to feelings that it's understandable that he didn't know she wasn't interested the day she kissed him.

I would prefer in the next book Harry and closer to Hermione concidering she's the only girl in the book I can stand because she is the only one that never says or does anything idiotic.

Interesting how 2 Weasley's are removed from Quiddtch while 2 Weasley's are recruited, no? Annoying...

I also hate how every book Dumbledore fails to explain everything. Even this year when he promised "sit down Harry I'm gunna tell you everything" he never completely explained the power Harry had that Voldemort did not know. He said it was a mysterious power that found by that locked door but nothing more. Wouldn't be crucial to the defeat of Voldemort for Harry to know what power he had over him? Perhaps I misinterpretted it....

So if Harry is the only one who can destory Voldemort than why when Harry was sent to Hogwarts when he was 11 did Dumbledore not instantly take him under his wing and prepare him for his fight against Voldemort? One could argue over Dumbledore's "feelings" for Harry.....that is one of my theories. But what about this "plan" Dumbledore spoke of. He knew Harry was the key yet he doesn't tell him the stinking plan yet. Tell him everything my ass.......

 

[Lid]

"The dueling at the end (not V vs D but the DE vs OOP) was rather pathetic. I mean how easy is it to dodge a spell? Is it that hard to point a wand correctly at someone 20 feet away from you?"


i hate everyone whos said that. This is the first book with real wizared duels, and as everyone knows there are counter curses, blocks, etc. which they have to time with doing their own attacks. It's not simply point and click.

"I would prefer in the next book Harry and closer to Hermione concidering she's the only girl in the book I can stand because she is the only one that never says or does anything idiotic."

Aint gonna happen. Based on the understandings of the foreshading by James and Lily, Ron and Hermione will end up together.

"So if Harry is the only one who can destory Voldemort than why when Harry was sent to Hogwarts when he was 11 did Dumbledore not instantly take him under his wing and prepare him for his fight against Voldemort? One could argue over Dumbledore's "feelings" for Harry.....that is one of my theories. But what about this "plan" Dumbledore spoke of. He knew Harry was the key yet he doesn't tell him the stinking plan yet. Tell him everything my ass......."

Well take into account the prophecy said one of them would die, and didn't say which. It also didn't say when, the prophecy is merely a foreshadowing to the future. A prophecy foretells that something is going to occur, but it doesn't say when. Also, if you were 11 would you like to hear that you would have to face the most powerful dark-wizard for a century in battle when you only have just discovered your a wizard.

 

[Morrone]

"i hate everyone whos said that. This is the first book with real wizared duels, and as everyone knows there are counter curses, blocks, etc. which they have to time with doing their own attacks. It's not simply point and click."

I didn't know you could hate over the internet. Also if you read it told you what happened. They didn't give you all the details but what you read it showed a lot of stuff missing and hitting walls. I think I have the opinion to say it wasn't as good as it should have been.


"Aint gonna happen. Based on the understandings of the foreshading by James and Lily, Ron and Hermione will end up together."

I agree but not that doesn't mean thats what people are going to want. And I'm pretty sure after this book no one wants Harry to end up with Cho and Ginny doesn't seem interested.


"Well take into account the prophecy said one of them would die, and didn't say which. It also didn't say when, the prophecy is merely a foreshadowing to the future. A prophecy foretells that something is going to occur, but it doesn't say when. Also, if you were 11 would you like to hear that you would have to face the most powerful dark-wizard for a century in battle when you only have just discovered your a wizard."

The prophecy promises that neither can live until one destroys the other. Harry is going to have to be prepared to destroy him and age really isn't an issue when it's life and death. You seem to be leaning over to Dumbledore's side with caring too much to tell him until he was 15. Either way it hasn't seemed to hurt Harry yet but it didn't help him either.

And another thing to add is how Harry (in his state of mind) has had an average intelligence level in books 1-4 yet in book 5 it seems to drop to below average. I mean in books 1-4 he was able to pick up on things the average person would realize yet in book 5 he fails to realize in importance of occlumency and doesn't open a package he should have months before. Both of these things are the cause of his godfather's death. Harry knew the dark lord was trying to use Harry and he did when Harry could have prevented it with Occlumency. Then if Harry had bothered to open the package he could have contacted Sirius through the mirror and found out that he was really there.

 

[Lid]

"I didn't know you could hate over the internet."

I was referring to people at my school, they go on and on about that.

"fails to realize in importance of occlumency and doesn't open a package he should have months before"

in occlumency there are a few factors you have to take into account: his hatred of Snape, and the 'temptation of the devil'. He WANTS to open the door, why would he want to resist? He NEEDS it.
The reason he didn't open the package was because he wanted to protect Sirius, read the pages where he recieved it... also remember Harry is forgetful, the Sneakoscope from Book 3 went forgotten for months.

 

[Morrone]

But still he seems to not realize what is most important. Of course it's debatable but I sitll think his intelligence has become below average. After everyone told him how important Occlumency was he was stilltoo foolish not to take it. Yes he hates Snape and yes he wanted to find out what was at the end of the path but in previous books he wouldnt have been tricked so easily. Although Dumbledore said he would take most of the blame leaving Kreacher and Sirius with the rest Harry should also take some blame eventhough he is young he still had more than onechance to stop Sirius from dying.

 

[Lid]

yeah well Harry's obviously been getting into Linkin Park and becoming angsty and rebellious so he doesn't really care... i think the excessive use of caps pretty much explained that

 

[DiebytheSword]

That's not a lack of intelligence, it's a lack of precaution. Had Harry used the mirror, Sirrius would be alive. Luna's cryptic comment in the last chapter about the arch seems to say something about the dead wizards we don't understand yet.

Overall, I found the book exhillarating and yet not quite as good as Goblet, it was a mounting peril book, simply serving to set up the forth coming climax in books 6 and 7.

This was Empire Strikes Back for the HP universe . . . and I'm ready for Jedi now

 

[Morrone]

Yea I think behind the veil is where dead wizards go or something. Harry did here people talking on the other side and something inside him was urging him to go, perhaps subconsciously he knew. But like you said it's something that we haven't been told yet.

I just wish Dumbledore explained more thoroughly what Harry's power was. But I guess that is going to have to wait aswell.

O and what got me most about the dueling was the lack of description. I mean if she would describe the spells they were using and such it would have been a lot cooler but she didn't concentrate enough on the dueling as to Harry.

 

[DiebytheSword]

True, but as an author myself, I can tell you with confidence that focusing on the battle up top would ruin the flow of the scene. The fight itself was not nearly as important as the fact that Harry and Nevil were escaping the death eaters with the prophecy in hand . . . you cannot concentrate on something superficial to the plot. The Order's members and their fates were secondary to Harry's escape.

 

[Morrone]

Agreed and I appreciated how she made up for it with the Dumbledore, Voldemort battle. It was only a quick fight but I could vision exactly what was going on. Dumbledore wasn't even trying to hurt Voldemort at all he only used the statues to block the attacks. It was a very good introduction of duels to come.

 

[ph34r t3h Cute]

Lol 7!At the rate she is going book 7 is going to be 2,000 pages long and come in 2 volumes! But anyways what was that game they played with all the floating balls?It looked pretty cool.

Book 6 is going to be shorter then book 5, and book 7 will be longer then book 5.

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About Harry and Cho, I dont think it will ever happan, "maybe" Luna and Harry, but I dunno, he did say at the end of the book, Harry found it easy to talk to her, and, er, stuff, or maybe he will end up single, I mean, he has other things to worry about other then girlfriends. As for the package (The mirror) that he got from Sirus, I think the only reason why it was put in the book is JK wanted some way to show how much Harry wanted him back, but without haveing him talk to other people.

One thing I did like in book 5 out of everything, was the way Fred + G left the school. One thing I DID NOT like in the book was the way Harry did seem to be abit..er.. dim.. he could think for himself, this brings me onto anouther thing, Im not to happy with the way everyone in class was shown, everyone seems to be doing things wrong (apart from hermione) Its funny to hear when ron or Harry mess up a spell, but really, come on, we dont need so much, Harry and Ron are not brain-dead, she should of wrote more about them getting spells in classes right, if you get all the spells they have done in class over 5 years, ones when they mess it up far outdo the ones when they have done it right.

About Morrs posts, the veil in the DOM is a door way into the land of the afterlife, thats why when sirus fell into it there was no way to get it back, Also about "harrys power" you got it wrong, he does not have any power, fate has told that he and the dark lord will fight, and one of them will die, harry has no more power then anyone, apart from he is naturally a good wizard.

I liked Sirus alot, he was my fav charater, I was upset that he died, alltho I had a feeling it would be him, moody, or Lupin, and Sirus was the only family Harry had left so of coruse, he had to go. Bit unfair on Harry thou.

But my new fav charater is Tonks! alltho.. im sure she will have more parts in the later books, I doubt she will be put into the film, since they will need to cut SO much stuff, I really dont think they will do-a-peter and make it into 2 films at least, I dont care, I hate the films as they dont even come close the books

 

[Morrone]

Luna has an obvious crush on Ron, singing "Weasley is our king" in the halls and such. But your right the romance part of the book shouldnt be the main focal point.

Fred and George leaving showed support for Dumbledore I liked it. They didn't need to stay. There was no reason all they had left was O.W.Ls and those only matter for getting a job and guess what, they got their own joke shop.

And I agree about the spells. You'd figure in Dumbledore's Army it would show them learning more but all you do is hear about them learning more not actually see it.

But I think it's safe to assume that when it comes to spells Harry, Ron, and the others aren't too stupid they did handle those Death Eaters pretty well for being out-numbered 2 to 1 by fully developed wizards and witches.

 

[ph34r t3h Cute]

True, when Harry and Ron are fighting death eaters, who whenever Harry was fighting the dark lord all the time, they did it fine, but the "comady" value of haveing them mess up in class is abit stupid in my opinion, Im glad on the O.W.L chap, JK did not write them as being stupid. . .

 

[Morrone]

I thought it was funny when Hermione used the silence charm on the death eater and he still got her and she went "O". The comedy can sometimes be funny.

 

[DiebytheSword]

I think Harry does have a power voldemort doesn't understand:

Compassion and love.

 

[ph34r t3h Cute]

but the Dark lord has something Harry dont!.....
........
.......... A TOMY GUN ...........

Ok maybe not, sue me!

 

[DiebytheSword]

I have a ban saber? Wanna see it?

Back on your own topic ;/