ESF or Budokai 2?

[Mogwai]

You know any fighting game with just holding block can get boring fast, as to the gameplay standards for fighting like punch punch punch energy... it was made that way so anyone can play it.

You see unlike ESF Atari shoots out to all ages where as esf if a little kid plays it the controls are complex and hard to understand and will a player teach them? One would think not just dance happily saying "owned".

Iv had ruling battles last with my cousins bf on B2, just takes dodging and the right combos. As for the cinematics how would u implement dbz feel and look then, explain to me how u would...Atari is simply testing and getting everything ready for the final comming anyways ull understand it if u could get esf off ur mind and actually learn B2 =P.

It got boring for me after the 100th time in dragon world, but the vs is always fun fighting vs someone else is great, as to the block system its called a charge up move easy fix tada =P.

ESF over B2 tho simply cause B2 was a test.

 

[-JLN-]

ESF > Boudokai 2
I bought Boudakai 2 in anticipation for ESF1.2, I took it back a week later. As someone has already said, you're wowed by the flashing lights and big explosions but when that wears off it's completely dissapointing. Even fighting against a friend got boring, I mean, how many times do you need to get Super Spirit bombed to realise that being killed in one combo isn't much fun, especially when there's very little you can do about it.

ESF is a game of skill, you have a huge amount of options during a fight and because of this the fights rarely get dull. You can master techniques and like Soul Calibur and such, the great players stand out from the noobs.

As for the people that say we can't compare the games, well, why the hell not? I compare all games to others regardless of genre because all games have something in common; fun factor. When it comes down to fun ESF beats Boudokai hands down.

 

[Yazuken]

esf. of course. but then again i havent played any of those boudokai games. im told they are crap so i dont bother

They arent crap. So whoever told you that must be smokin some ****ed up ****

Anyways, back to the topic. I think esf is mad better then budokai 2. Budokai 3 tho...well, i heard youll be able to do alot more in it and move around in alot more directions, so i cant tell you which one i like better out of those two until i try budokai 3.

 

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Originally Posted by Fire Phoenix
esf. of course. but then again i havent played any of those boudokai games. im told they are crap so i dont bother

They arent crap. So whoever told you that must be smokin some ****ed up ****

Anyways, back to the topic. I think esf is mad better then budokai 2. Budokai 3 tho...well, i heard youll be able to do alot more in it and move around in alot more directions, so i cant tell you which one i like better out of those two until i try budokai 3.

You failed to give a reason as to why they aren't crap. The only thing that budokai has over esf is the graphics. That's all. Imo, the gameplay is too easy/simple to be considered fun, you can only move from left to right across the screen, the blocking system needs to be revamped (it's too abusive), the ki wave system needs to be revamped (it just looks dumb punching the air 4 times and then doing a kamehameha), the hyper mode or whatever it's called (when the screen goes black and the players start fighting fast) also needs to be revamped (I don't even think I have to explain why). That's a huge chunk of the game that needs to be redone with concepts that work a lot better. I'm guessing budokai 3 won't be much better because the majority of the people that like dbz are kids and the controls need to be simple enough for kids to grasp.

If you guys don't agree with me, just look at the reviews. The average score is a 7.0
http://www.gametab.com/ps2/dragon.ball.z.budokai.2/1669/ - 70
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/442/442606p1.html - 7.4
http://gamez.com/sage/out.x?gid=19595&go=130490&page=reviews 6.7
http://www.armchairempire.com/Reviews/ps2/dragonball-z-budokai-2.htm-7.0

I know everyone has their own oppinions and they don't need me to tell them that the game sucks, but I just can't imagine why anyone would like it. I guess because it's based on dbz?

 

[SSJ_NOOB]

budokai is pure, refined, cell-shaded ****. The budokai models suck ****, and it's way too easy

 

[NightSage]

no that title goes to dbz legends

second place goes to that arc works system gba game

esf would be third

yeah legends was good (though IMO so much could of been done to it to make it even better)

 

[Phatslugga]

You know any fighting game with just holding block can get boring fast, as to the gameplay standards for fighting like punch punch punch energy... it was made that way so anyone can play it.

Is that supposed to be an excuse to why the game sucks complete ass? If it is, it's not a very good one.

You see unlike ESF Atari shoots out to all ages where as esf if a little kid plays it the controls are complex and hard to understand and will a player teach them? One would think not just dance happily saying "owned".

Yeah, lets sacrifice gameplay, for little retarded kids that can't figure out how to play a game. God forbid anyone read the manual of a game to learn the basics.

Iv had ruling battles last with my cousins bf on B2, just takes dodging and the right combos. As for the cinematics how would u implement dbz feel and look then, explain to me how u would...Atari is simply testing and getting everything ready for the final comming anyways ull understand it if u could get esf off ur mind and actually learn B2 =P.

The battles in budokai are no good. I don't care what you say you have to do, I don't care how good you think you are. The game is way too slow for a DBZ game(It's my opinion that all fighters should be fast-paced). It's too easy to block, you can't duck or jump, movement is sluggish and slow. Dodging is virtualy useless as most of the time auto-aim is too quick for it to do any good against a blocking opponent, or an attacking one for that matter. It's just a horrible game.

To top it all of they add in cinematic moves, just in case the game wasn't going slow enough for you, it completley stops at points, and you get to view a little movie. You don't need cinematic moves to give it a DBZ feel, make all of the moves real-time, like in the GC version of the new Naruto fighting game. Download a few movies from the GC version of Naruto(real time moves), and the PS2 version(cinematic)... tell me which one looks better. Atari isn't testing and getting everything ready, they're trying to make money off of DBZ fans as quick as possible. Spit out some DBZ games that look really nice, and you're bound to have hardcore DBZ-fans go crazy over it.

Don't assume that I don't know Budokai 1 or 2, I owned both of them, and gave them a fair chance. After a few months of playing it... I just couldn't take it any longer and I sold them back for about 1/10th of the price i bought them for, which SHOULD have been the original price.

It got boring for me after the 100th time in dragon world, but the vs is always fun fighting vs someone else is great, as to the block system its called a charge up move easy fix tada =P.

ESF over B2 tho simply cause B2 was a test.

The charge up move doesn't make the blocking system any better. OH NO, his hands are starting to glow!!!! It's very easy to see those coming and avoid them, and even if they do succeed, what follows? punch, punch, punch, kick, E... yaaaaay, another 12 second cinematic! WHEEE! When people ask for a complex blocking system, they mean that there should be AT LEAST two hit zones, upper body, and lower body. This way you don't just have to sit there and hold block for any attack that comes your way. Have you ever played an actual decent fighter game, like Street Fighter, Soul Calibur, Tekken? Play a real fighter and then go back to Budokai... if you like Budokai better, then you're just retarded. I'm sorry, it's not even a matter of opinion... you HAVE to be retarded to like Budokai over any other decent fighter. It's so repetitive it's like the game is a 10 second midi sound loop, same 10 seconds over and over again.

I'm 99.999999999999% sure that Budokai 3 is going to be no better either. There will be some new features, but gameplay will still suck, and the best thing going for it will be the graphics.

 

[C VON]

phatslugga those were probably the words of a god

 

[Babyboy]

Is that supposed to be an excuse to why the game sucks complete ass? If it is, it's not a very good one.



Yeah, lets sacrifice gameplay, for little retarded kids that can't figure out how to play a game. God forbid anyone read the manual of a game to learn the basics.



The battles in budokai are no good. I don't care what you say you have to do, I don't care how good you think you are. The game is way too slow for a DBZ game(It's my opinion that all fighters should be fast-paced). It's too easy to block, you can't duck or jump, movement is sluggish and slow. Dodging is virtualy useless as most of the time auto-aim is too quick for it to do any good against a blocking opponent, or an attacking one for that matter. It's just a horrible game.

To top it all of they add in cinematic moves, just in case the game wasn't going slow enough for you, it completley stops at points, and you get to view a little movie. You don't need cinematic moves to give it a DBZ feel, make all of the moves real-time, like in the GC version of the new Naruto fighting game. Download a few movies from the GC version of Naruto(real time moves), and the PS2 version(cinematic)... tell me which one looks better. Atari isn't testing and getting everything ready, they're trying to make money off of DBZ fans as quick as possible. Spit out some DBZ games that look really nice, and you're bound to have hardcore DBZ-fans go crazy over it.

Don't assume that I don't know Budokai 1 or 2, I owned both of them, and gave them a fair chance. After a few months of playing it... I just couldn't take it any longer and I sold them back for about 1/10th of the price i bought them for, which SHOULD have been the original price.



The charge up move doesn't make the blocking system any better. OH NO, his hands are starting to glow!!!! It's very easy to see those coming and avoid them, and even if they do succeed, what follows? punch, punch, punch, kick, E... yaaaaay, another 12 second cinematic! WHEEE! When people ask for a complex blocking system, they mean that there should be AT LEAST two hit zones, upper body, and lower body. This way you don't just have to sit there and hold block for any attack that comes your way. Have you ever played an actual decent fighter game, like Street Fighter, Soul Calibur, Tekken? Play a real fighter and then go back to Budokai... if you like Budokai better, then you're just retarded. I'm sorry, it's not even a matter of opinion... you HAVE to be retarded to like Budokai over any other decent fighter. It's so repetitive it's like the game is a 10 second midi sound loop, same 10 seconds over and over again.

I'm 99.999999999999% sure that Budokai 3 is going to be no better either. There will be some new features, but gameplay will still suck, and the best thing going for it will be the graphics.

Teken is the worst most boring fighter i ever played, the jump feels stiff, and the moves arent really amazing, just like budokai, you seem one move you seen them all, the only diffrence is they have teken force mode which isnt that amazing and after that its just overall boring, dont let me even get started on virtual fighter (even though u didnt metion it, im sure someone was going too). And how can you call him retarted on account if he likes budokai over the other games u listed.

I personally thought MVC 2 was the best, deepest fighter i ever played since there was so many type of custom combos u could pull off, and i agree with u i hate budokai as well, hell i thought 1 was better than 2, but i dont think you should call someone retarted on there oppion :] But gotta agree with u on the Budokai 3 part, unless they put story mode and revamp the gameplay it will suck.

Ontopic: ESF In My oppion is Better

 

[Mogwai]

Meh just forget it on topic esf over budo im out, sick of arguing

 

[lust]

i say esf because you get more freedom to move around <:O

 

[Phatslugga]

Teken is the worst most boring fighter i ever played, the jump feels stiff, and the moves arent really amazing, just like budokai, you seem one move you seen them all, the only diffrence is they have teken force mode which isnt that amazing and after that its just overall boring, dont let me even get started on virtual fighter (even though u didnt metion it, im sure someone was going too). And how can you call him retarted on account if he likes budokai over the other games u listed.

First off, I didn't say that it was great or amazing, I said decent. Did you play all of the tekkens? I'm not too familiar with tekken, but I beleive I played 2 or 3, and it was much better than Budokai. The combos were smooth, the maneuverability was good (you're actually able to sidestep and attack your enemy from the side!!!), the characters actually had unique moves and different styles of fighting, better blocking system, and it was way faster than budokai. Even IF tekken was as bad as you made it out to be, it still MUCH better than budokai. Ok, now that I'm done defending Tekken, what other games were bad that I listed? Street Fighter Alpha 3, in my opinion is the best fighting game out... period. It's a game that is easy to learn, and doesn't sacrifice the gameplay for it. I beleive the other I mentioned was Soul Calibur, right? I don't know how you could say that game is bad, or in any way inferior to budokai. The three games I listed are my personal favorites, and they all beat budokai with ease.

I personally thought MVC 2 was the best, deepest fighter i ever played since there was so many type of custom combos u could pull off, and i agree with u i hate budokai as well, hell i thought 1 was better than 2, but i dont think you should call someone retarted on there oppion :] But gotta agree with u on the Budokai 3 part, unless they put story mode and revamp the gameplay it will suck.

Ontopic: ESF In My oppion is Better

I can't imagine how someone could explain to me how Budokai is better than any of the games I mentioned. If someone would like to prove me wrong, and tell me in what way or aspect Budokai is better than those games... I'll take back my words.

 

[Tassadar]

I don't know how you can even think to compare the two, their two different genres, it's not a comparable thing.

 

[Cyfore]

esf > budokai

what more can i say?

or rather, what more do i need to say?

 

[|Overlord|]

ESF OVER BUDOKAI ANYDAY!!!!!!!!! u can actually have a map to rome freely in esf and plus the attacks are easier to use (plus budokai has a crappy translation of the moves come on "milk beam") overall esf is way better since it is better in the way of skill. while budokai just requires little skill and a 8yr old kid would see some good graphics and say "yay i won" . the budokai games i have not played but u could imagine dat

 

[MaXKilleR]

lol guys...budokai is a VS. game....esf is a first person shooter....so as a lot of ppl said...u cant compare the 2....and both of them can get tiring over time...if ATARI made budokai 2 online....then it will take as much time to get tired of it as esf...but since its not online...bodokai will tire u out fast....lol...how about budokai/VS. in a first person shooter game thats based on dbz ...thats UTF for ya...just wait and c....

 

[WhiteKnight989]

IMO, ESF is way better than B1/B2, but the Budokai series does have it's advantages. I'm not trying to start a flame war here, but Budokai does have a MUCH simpler system, which is good when you are first trying to learn a game, but ESF's system is much (much much much much, oh you get the point) more rewarding (combos, map nuke after a 2 minute long PS or BS, etc...) Also, B2 has the transformations, which are horribly done (sry, one little HAH! and the guy's SSJ3 doesn't cut it Atari) but that will be fixed in 1.3, when ESF gets the higher trans'es. Yea, ESF does get annoying with the beam spammers, the throw noobs, and the all around morons that populate the servers at times, but it's still growing. B2 is a single console playing it, no person to person arse whomping going on there, unless you are doing 2 player, which can be interesting with added rules (no SUPER moves like spirit bombs, SBC's etc, just punching and kicking) B2 overall loses to the might that is ESF. Off topic: Never played DBU or DBZ Legends... is DBU released yet if you know?

Edit: Wow, brain diarrhea there, sry for the long post

 

[Phatslugga]

I beleive you can compare the two, becuase they have similarities. You can compare anything as long as there is one similarity. In this case, they're both games, they both have a DBZ theme, and they're both part of the beat-em up fighter genre. ESF is a third person fighter/shooter, but it's still a fighter in my opinion. It's the most unique fighter you'll probably see anytime soon, but it still is one. Even if you don't agree with me that it is a fighter, then you can always just compare them becuase they're both DBZ games. Which DBZ game do you like better, ESF or Budokai? Of course they're both done in a completley different style, but that doesn't mean you can't compare them.

 

[-JLN-]

Like I said before, you can compare any game to any other game, just use fun factor. I mean, I can comfortably say that GTA Vice City is better than Fifa 2003 or whatever. They're completely different games but GTA is just more fun and so a better game. It's the same with ESF and Budokai, completely different games but ESF is just more fun to play.

 

[Flying Dutchman]

could some1 plz post some pics of other dbz games, i know bfp and budokai 2 but i have no idea how the others mentioned look or play