Cooler vs Trunks

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People claim that Trunks can make quick work of Cooler is due to the fact Cooler is really weak against a Super Saiyan (that was proven when Goku turned into a Super Saiyan, Cooler knew he was going to be defeated). So what if Goku struggled with Coolers Death Ball? Cooler claimed that he can gather energy much faster than Frieza could.

No offense, it's really hard to understand what you're saying.

than trunks was defeated by goku(a finger!!). what will u explain? it seems proved that cooler never able to against ssj, but still cant prove the proof and fact!! we can review that years ago trunks couldnt get any chnce to against goku's finger( goku wasnt stronger than when he fought Cooler a years later! Goku can against cooler so easily becuz he's from the verge of death and healed by sensu bean and gain alot of strangth!! when koola transformed to his max form that goku realize he hasnt get any chance if he hasnt ete that sensu bean!! and u know that sensu bean can make u gain much strangth!!) ok....how do u explain that super saiyan against super saiyan(hard work vs not even try)?? why couldnt trunks pick android 18(future gohan could pick up 18 and 17 at once)?? and even goku could block trunks any move and without any sensu bean(also he wasnt even try hard for trunks becuz he knows trunks isnt a bad guy. but trunks did use all his power on this fight becuz he never even hold back his power before, and goku is a legend of person he search about he will make sure how stronger is goku. and also he's a lot of like vegeta in trunks's personally!) well however...u missed a lot of part in dbz and u cant missed any fact of it!! yand it cant be the reason that cooler can be kill that easy!

frieza wasnt a zombie? than what r u explain robocop? cyborg means the body's already dead and remake!!



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told ya he's not real creature.

 

[DBZFever]

I still think it's the turtle.

 

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I still think it's the turtle.

what do u think that topic is a turtle??

take look!

than trunks was defeated by goku(a finger!!). what will u explain? it seems proved that cooler never able to against ssj, but still cant prove the proof and fact!! we can review that years ago trunks couldnt get any chnce to against goku's finger( goku wasnt stronger than when he fought Cooler a years later! Goku can against cooler so easily becuz he's from the verge of death and healed by sensu bean and gain alot of strangth!! when koola transformed to his max form that goku realize he hasnt get any chance if he hasnt ete that sensu bean!! and u know that sensu bean can make u gain much strangth!!) ok....how do u explain that super saiyan against super saiyan(hard work vs not even try)?? why couldnt trunks pick android 18(future gohan could pick up 18 and 17 at once)?? and even goku could block trunks any move and without any sensu bean(also he wasnt even try hard for trunks becuz he knows trunks isnt a bad guy. but trunks did use all his power on this fight becuz he never even hold back his power before, and goku is a legend of person he search about he will make sure how stronger is goku. and also he's a lot of like vegeta in trunks's personally!) well however...u missed a lot of part in dbz and u cant missed any fact of it!! yand it cant be the reason that cooler can be kill that easy!

 

[MC]

The androids in the past are much stronger than the ones in the future; Trunks mentions this. Goku was also stronger than androids 19 and 20 when he first fought them, but as you know, Goku started getting weaker due to the heart virus, not to mention android 19 was absorbing Goku's energy.

In Trunks' timeline, I would assume that regardless of Trunks becoming a Super Saiyan, Gohan was still much stronger (if he survived). Gohan was able to hold his own against both of the androids while Trunks struggled with just one.

Then in the present, when Trunks went to fight Androids 17 and 18, he still struggled with them like he did in the future (but with the notion that these androids are stronger than the ones in the future).

Alright... Goku is much stronger than Trunks, plus Goku mentions that Trunks wasn't trying hard enough.

 

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The androids in the past are much stronger than the ones in the future; Trunks mentions this. Goku was also stronger than androids 19 and 20 when he first fought them, but as you know, Goku started getting weaker due to the heart virus, not to mention android 19 was absorbing Goku's energy.

In Trunks' timeline, I would assume that regardless of Trunks becoming a Super Saiyan, Gohan was still much stronger (if he survived). Gohan was able to hold his own against both of the androids while Trunks struggled with just one.

Then in the present, when Trunks went to fight Androids 17 and 18, he still struggled with them like he did in the future (but with the notion that these androids are stronger than the ones in the future).

Alright... Goku is much stronger than Trunks, plus Goku mentions that Trunks wasn't trying hard enough.

remember....he wasnt stuggle with 18..he's completely defeated and beaten like dog..and that's in future line..few day before he went to the past.

in other case that vegeta is as stronger as goku does, than he could against 18 along him self, but he lost alot of strngth when he fought 19 and absorbed by 19 than makes him defeated( android would never lost their ki in battle!!). even sensu bean couldnt help a bit!! and this is precent timeline!! same case that trunks only defeated by a simgle kick( android 17, he's as stronger as 18 also they r both much stronger then future!) goku mention that trunks ahsnt try?? yeah that in first time when trunks raise the sword and cut on goku's head, but goku hasnt fight back. and second time is serious, trunks warnned goku that he wont go easy on him again....it could kill him(it doesnt matter to trunks, becuz he can return the time before he kill goku.). he wants to measure that goku is a legendary fighter or just some kind of ***, he leave no choise becuz he got to stop the android(there's no turning back.). if goku does prove he's weaker that he would be gameover!! but he's lucky that goku is really the guy he can trust. if he didnt use his full power that he'll never know how can goku able to against android, and they r many time stronger then trunks.

 

[MC]

The second time Trunks goes at it; after Trunks puts away his sword, Goku says "Your heart just wasn't in it this time" meaning that Trunks wasn't trying.

 

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The second time Trunks goes at it; after Trunks puts away his sword, Goku says "Your heart just wasn't in it this time" meaning that Trunks wasn't trying.

If he did that he will never prove how can goku able to against if he wasnt try his own power!? and remeber that trunks still has time machine!! he could restore tha time before he really kills goku.


and in dbz timeline he was defeated by a simplp attck(a simgle kick) by 17.



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there's goku 20x times kioken beaten by koola.

 

[MC]

The whole point of Trunks fighting Goku was just to see how the stories Trunks has heard match up with the real thing, so Trunks just tested Goku's ability.

 

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The whole point of Trunks fighting Goku was just to see how the stories Trunks has heard match up with the real thing, so Trunks just tested Goku's ability.

if trunks wasnt try that wont be a test!! becuz he knows the android aint the toy stuff. if he didnt use he's power that he'll never know goku's stronger.

 

[MC]

Trunks wasn't trying to see if he was stronger than Goku, he was just testing Goku's ability since when Trunks was growing up, he heard many stories about Goku.

 

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Trunks wasn't trying to see if he was stronger than Goku, he was just testing Goku's ability since when Trunks was growing up, he heard many stories about Goku.

well....how about in movie 5??

goku was improve so much when a years passed(roshi said it), if compare he's power and when he arrived on earth a years ago, than u can see how stronger is goku(before he ate the sensu bean and attacked by koola's death eye laser). but he's 20x times kaioken cant hold up koola's hanchman and koola's normal stage(before he healed). after he ate sensu bean, he could challenge koola's normal form(koola's normal much stronger then frieza!!).

in my calculation that ssj goku is equal with koola's truth form(when trunks met goku in arrival!) if I'm not wrong

there's two possibility u cant forget about it,....sensu bean and the fraut of training in one year. I believe that trunks could slice koola's normal form but not his max form.

 

[Vegeta]

in my calculation that ssj goku is equal with koola's truth form(when trunks met goku in arrival!) if I'm not wrong

Whoa, reading all of this was hilarious. Dude, you're really taking this too far. Cooler's last transformation overpowered Goku, that's why Goku was forced to go SS. Cooler was no match for SS Goku, so he powered up a DeathBall. Stop focusing on the DeathBall's energy, naturally a warrior, whose power was nearly equal to a Super Saiyan's, would create some struggle for Goku, especially if it's an (finishing move)energy ball that's 15x Goku's size, and considering how its impact caused Goku to nearly collapse and fall on his ass, I think it's safe to say Goku tried using all of his upper body strength to push the ball away, but then was forced to summon his SS energy, which sent the DeathBall into outerspace. Anyhow, I thought I'd warn you, (Normal) Goku and Metal Cooler looked to be practically sparring during their first battle in movie 6... though, I could be wrong, Goku could barely spar with Cooler in his last gargantua form.

But again, most things occurring in the films can be slipped into the 'void' category. Remember that.

 

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Don't u remember that only the pure saiyan havs ability to gain a lot of strangth when they come from the verge of death or heal from even just an simple injure. goku was almost kill by koola's eye laser and healed by the big sensu bean. but unfurtunely trunks doesnt has this ability and never will(becuz he's mix saiyan and half-earthling)
there's why could gohan and goten, trunks slacked so much in GT. tehy don't have that kind of ability to make them stronger, they only depend on their training. but goku and vegeta could gain the power from the battle. than I gonna say they r difference.

yeah right... that koola was no match for SSJ goku, but that SSJ Goku has been plus so much power then before. i guess that if trunks is the rival in that movie, goku would blow him out away that easily by even just a simple blast. and Goku was angry when he fought koola, an angry man could forget his own pain and only want to kick ass, even koola punch and knock him dawn, he wont turn back.... that makes koola afraid to fight SSJ goku(if u know how madness is brolly. a mad man cannot be stop...)

Whoa, reading all of this was hilarious. Dude, you're really taking this too far. Cooler's last transformation overpowered Goku, that's why Goku was forced to go SS. Cooler was no match for SS Goku, so he powered up a DeathBall. Stop focusing on the DeathBall's energy, naturally a warrior, whose power was nearly equal to a Super Saiyan's, would create some struggle for Goku, especially if it's an (finishing move)energy ball that's 15x Goku's size, and considering how its impact caused Goku to nearly collapse and fall on his ass, I think it's safe to say Goku tried using all of his upper body strength to push the ball away, but then was forced to summon his SS energy, which sent the DeathBall into outerspace. Anyhow, I thought I'd warn you, (Normal) Goku and Metal Cooler looked to be practically sparring during their first battle in movie 6... though, I could be wrong, Goku could barely spar with Cooler in his last gargantua form.

But again, most things occurring in the films can be slipped into the 'void' category. Remember that.

 

[Spunky]

and considering how its impact caused Goku to nearly collapse and fall on his ass

Actually, it sandwiched him into the ground.

 

[Vegeta]

Don't u remember that only the pure saiyan havs ability to gain a lot of strangth when they come from the verge of death or heal from even just an simple injure. goku was almost kill by koola's eye laser and healed by the big sensu bean. but unfurtunely trunks doesnt has this ability and never wil

That's hardly relevant. Trunks would go SS and then Cooler would die.

 

[Cap J]

In this you are assuming that Goku could go SSJ at will during film 5. This is not the case. Just like in film 9 with Gohan not being able to go SSJ2 at will. The films take certain liberties so that they have a way of quickly murdering the badguy in the allowed time frame. I mean seriously, if Goku could go SSJ at will do you really think he'd just happily leave his son get seven shades of fecal matter beaten out of him? No. Also, Cooler's normal form (4th form) was not more powerful than Frieza, only in his 5th form he's stronger. He mentions that Frieza had the edge over him until Cooler transformed.

And the Deathball, well, a more powerful being would have a more powerful deathball.

Also, when is it mentioned that he's going 20x Kaioken? It's obvious that he's using KK but he doesn't say what level he uses (at least not in the dub).

Trunks would win. Might not win as easily as against Frieza but he would still win.

Also, Frieza was not a zombie, he did not die on Namek he just.....got diced a little. When it shows him in space with half his head missing he speaks. Dead bodies don't do this.....or at least, the last I checked they don't.

A cyborg in not something dead that has been remade. A cyborg is a cybernetic-organism. Meaning something organic that has cybernetic implants. Doesn't have to be dead to have those.

Google definition:

"The term cyborg, a portmanteau of cybernetic organism, is used to designate a creature which is a mixture of organic and mechanical parts. Generally, the aim is to add to or enhance the abilities of an organism by using technology."

I see no mention of anything being deceased there.

 

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That's hardly relevant. Trunks would go SS and then Cooler would die.

more then that...ur assume couldn't explain the distance between trunks and goku, and about that sensu-bean in movie. even roshi knows goku seems difference then a years ago(when he came back). and don't forget, vegeta almost as stronger as goku(if he was sick he could do better then that.) and also can able to deal with android 18(precent, more stronger then future.) himself without any depend. but trunks really isnt a fighter.....he couldn't cut future 18' hair and broke his blade( than he change a new sword before he cut frieza.)than got beaten.......trunks isnt that smart then u think..he may good but even goku can use 20x kaioken to piss himm off.

aleast I gonna tell u sensu-bean isnt just heal ur injure...it could give u new found of strangth, even the human could be improve so much by sensu bean that I suppose sensu bean was help alot in movie 5(goku just like twice stronger then before, and he's the pure saiyan he can grow the new power from the verge of death and plus fraut that he trained from that whole year.)
than this would prove trunks isnt that special, he and koola were both defeat by goku. than they looks even(u can image that he hasnt training during that 3years than the distance would be far away between him and goku)..

yeah...trunks could go ssj easy becuz he's mix-saiyan....and mix-saiyan could go ssj easily then the original pure saiyan, mix-saiyan could transform what ever they want without the basic power request. but pure saiyan have to training so hard and clear their heart to be pure to become ssj. trunks could tranform easily then goku(trunks only transform in few second but goku had to power up first...)but it didnt mean his base power is much( u can see that goten and kid trunks was the first child to become ssj but they aint strong...)that's the defect for mix-saiyan, it seems the gift for the mix-saiyan when they born and make them transform without the powerlevel barrier and it maybe makes them good looking but slacked in power( just like changeling, transform without training).

today my school still non-open....so I can play with u guys more

 

[Cap J]

Sensu-Beans just heal. Goku probably got a power boost from the near death but he wasn't twice as strong. And not only pure saiya-jin that get the near death power boost, if it was then Cell wouldn't have got it as he is a mix of almost everyone. So long as you have some part of you as saiya-jin then you get the boost.

It doesn't matter if he's not special, he can still go SSJ. Actually, he DID cut future 18's hair. She says "My hair! That doesn't grow back you punk!" Although yeah, Trunks isn't exactly over furnished in the brains department.

20x Kaioken to piss him off? What are you talking about?

 

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Sensu-Beans just heal. Goku probably got a power boost from the near death but he wasn't twice as strong. And not only pure saiya-jin that get the near death power boost, if it was then Cell wouldn't have got it as he is a mix of almost everyone. So long as you have some part of you as saiya-jin then you get the boost.

remember...cell was created by super computer, he isnt nature been but he has any ability of the z warriors(like kamehameha, solar fresh, rejuvenate and near death, finger laser..) near death was create by artifical also. dr.gero would expect that his android isnt powerful for saiyan so he recreate and add all the special ability from Z warriors expecially verge of death(there's why would cell able to use kamehameha without learning becuz he's artifical!!).

It doesn't matter if he's not special, he can still go SSJ. Actually, he DID cut future 18's hair. She says "My hair! That doesn't grow back you punk!" Although yeah, Trunks isn't exactly over furnished in the brains department.

20x Kaioken to piss him off? What are you talking about?

unfurtunely...u were wrong again...
trunks was kicking ass all the time in future but he's still not grow up so much when he heal from near death(he's got beaten many time...) he could cut 18's hair but his sword borken also.....(bulma will repair a new blade for him....).

 

[Jesus]

actually, cell knew all the abilities because he could read it from their DNA, which was incorperated into him, including his ability to become stronger when he almost dies, and regeneration. these are all taken from the dna of fighters dr.gero collected.

this is also how cell learns instant translocation. when goku is destroyed, along with most of cell. cell regenerates with some of goku's new dna. giving him the new abilities goku has learned after gero's experiments.



to be honest though, dont you at all get tired of comparing characters that:
1. never met, and therefor we can assume, the newer ones would indeed be stronger, since the weaker ones were illiminated earlier in time.
2. exist only in sideline movies, and are designed to be extreme, out of all probability, and be completely incomparable to the main storyline.