Now, great advice DBX. I told him that a lot of times. That's even what I do. But our buddy Almighty here, wants to go full ahead flank.DBXMe2 said:my sugestion from this point on... abandon this project... start a new model.. then in about 3-4 models later.. remodel from scratch the same character.. and u'll see how much u improved, its great.. omg done it so meny times.. I modeled Goten 3... 4 times.. and gotenks twise.. and alot of people a million times