Oh well i leave my first thread on this forum and it turns into spam thread, how crap sorry if I got off on the wrong foot, By the way im Mike from Scotland (ssjkorn) nice 2 meet you all. on a lighter note, how will esf(beta) effect perform on older comps? cos if it still runs nice on a celeron 500 with 64 mb - p4 1.ghz (both on software i might be able 2 set up a huge local area network game at my skool (just startin 2 do that with hl itself this week)- its not really sposed 2 b possible, they stop any installations but i figured out how to run it off disks And congrats on the coding the beams look fantasic - shows the power of the HL engine. P.s.s THIS IS NOT SPAM :]