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AMEN To that......
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You got it wrong is like this
Vegetto,Gogeta,Buu,Goku,and Gotenks!
Because goku reached over a billion on super saiyan 3 and his better fighter.Gotenks was just a stupid child playing around instead of getting serious and he never reached over a billion like goku did on Ssj3!! Oh and if you guys think Gogeta is stronger yeah he might be because he reached super saiyan 4 but maybe Vegetto could but he wasnt on the series anymore but actually Vegetto is stronger on Super Saiyan.Goku doesnt need to match with Vegeta's pl.
Ummm Gogeta wasn't on dbz but he was on movies...So he's kinda part of DBZ because Goku wasnt ssj4 on the movies when Gogeta appeared.Im talking about the movies NON GT.
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Yes you are correct Vehunks. Gogeta is the fusion joined with the dance by Goku and Vegeta. Vegetto is created from the Potarra earrings.
The movie timeline has nothing to do with the series. Block it out
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Make CHI-CHI mad enough and she'll wip Buu's @$$ HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:laff: :laff: :laff:
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go ssj4 gojeta
Kay, one last attempt at a sensible argument and I abandon this thread..
Gohan never went Super Saiya-Jin after the Mystic power up because he wouldn't have been able to control the boost it would have made. Vegetto was a better fighter than Gohan (he was Goku and Vegeta mixed after all) so he could handle the increase.
DBGT cant be used as an argument because it happens after Gohan loses his power up, no reason is given for this but I believe it was to keep Gohan from becoming the star of the show.
Mystic Gohan was stronger than SSJ3 Goku and SSJ3 Gotenks, fact of life that cant be argued with.
My final two cents..
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Super Saiyan 3 Goku reached over a billion and Mystic Gohan didnt get that in your head your just a Gohan Fan!! I am too but the fact is Goku is stronger on Super Saiyan 3 he reached over a Billion Mystic Gohan didnt! and no Gohan couldnt been the best because he will never reach SSJ4 like Goku did only pure blooded saiyans can.Gohan is only half saiyan and half earthling so he's not.Goku Ssj was yeah kinda stronger than Ssj2 Gohan because Goku could absorb the energy of a Spirit Bomb and be ultimate lethal I dont know maybe.
There goes my 2 cents.
There goes my 2 cents.
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What do u mean about being over a billion they didnt have scouters then so any pl readings past the trunks part of dbz there all estimated or all wrong.
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Why are you referring to movies about goku absorbing a spirit bomb. The movies do not fit in with the shows story line period none of them except Tapion's movie. This is how it is all of the movies:
Dead Zone: couldn't take place because Krillin knew Gohan already but in the show he just met him.
World's Strongest: The only time goku was on earth to fight with his kaioken was when vegeta was there.
Tree of might: Same as above. Gohan also had his tail.
The Slug movie: Goku went Giji SSJ he didnt go full and he had mastered how to power up ssj.
The Koola movie: Gohan had his bowl cut and his tail and goku had to feel anger to go ssj.
The Metal Koola Movie: Vegeta and Goku were the only ssj's and Goku hadn't seened Vegeta ssj before in the show.
The 3 androids movie: No because like for one Vegeta was trainin to go ssj durin that period of time and Trunks went back to his timeline and well Goku was trainin also.
The Brolli movie: Yea this could've happened at the time they
were trainin for the cell games but Goku and Gohan were supposed to be SSJ the whole time and they weren't.
The Bojack movie: I agree this could've happened because it could've been a couple of days after the cell game but, Gohan had to feel anger to go ssj2 and when he got out of ssj2 after he thought cell was dead, Cell came back and gohan power up to ssj2 again but it also could've been gohan's anger that made him ssj2 again but im not sure.
The Brolli movie with older gohan ( no because gohan said he hadn't fought in a long time and that could've happened durin the time in the 7 years when gohan was growin up but he didnt know trunks and goten could go ssj until the tenkaichi budokai saga)
The Bio Brolli movie: No for ^ that reason.
The Tapion movie: YEa because it explains where trunks got his sword for gt. And it shows it takes place after the whole buu saga.
The Gogeta movie: no because both vegeta and goku are dead.
Gohan's Mystic form was stronger then ssj3 but its just gohan hasn't fought in a while and his skill has decreased and you all know Goku trains alot like everyday and his skill has decreased.
So thats why Goku was hanging with buu cause of his skill, and thats why Gohan was losing to buu and also buu had absorbed Piccolo and he knows alot how Gohan fights cause he trained gohan.
Dead Zone: couldn't take place because Krillin knew Gohan already but in the show he just met him.
World's Strongest: The only time goku was on earth to fight with his kaioken was when vegeta was there.
Tree of might: Same as above. Gohan also had his tail.
The Slug movie: Goku went Giji SSJ he didnt go full and he had mastered how to power up ssj.
The Koola movie: Gohan had his bowl cut and his tail and goku had to feel anger to go ssj.
The Metal Koola Movie: Vegeta and Goku were the only ssj's and Goku hadn't seened Vegeta ssj before in the show.
The 3 androids movie: No because like for one Vegeta was trainin to go ssj durin that period of time and Trunks went back to his timeline and well Goku was trainin also.
The Brolli movie: Yea this could've happened at the time they
were trainin for the cell games but Goku and Gohan were supposed to be SSJ the whole time and they weren't.
The Bojack movie: I agree this could've happened because it could've been a couple of days after the cell game but, Gohan had to feel anger to go ssj2 and when he got out of ssj2 after he thought cell was dead, Cell came back and gohan power up to ssj2 again but it also could've been gohan's anger that made him ssj2 again but im not sure.
The Brolli movie with older gohan ( no because gohan said he hadn't fought in a long time and that could've happened durin the time in the 7 years when gohan was growin up but he didnt know trunks and goten could go ssj until the tenkaichi budokai saga)
The Bio Brolli movie: No for ^ that reason.
The Tapion movie: YEa because it explains where trunks got his sword for gt. And it shows it takes place after the whole buu saga.
The Gogeta movie: no because both vegeta and goku are dead.
Gohan's Mystic form was stronger then ssj3 but its just gohan hasn't fought in a while and his skill has decreased and you all know Goku trains alot like everyday and his skill has decreased.
So thats why Goku was hanging with buu cause of his skill, and thats why Gohan was losing to buu and also buu had absorbed Piccolo and he knows alot how Gohan fights cause he trained gohan.
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Actually he is right. I am a Gohan fan too, but look Gohan did have a little more power. But shown in DBZ and in GT both Goku and Vegeta are better fighters than Gohan. That is 1 of the reasons why Baby chose Vegeta and because he had alot more power. So theres no use argueing with it, Mystic Gohan had a little bit more power than SSJ3.
gohan was the strongest in dbz ....
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meh . all you guys saying that goku put up a better figth than mystic gohan against gotenks buu. look . watch right when buu absorbs gotenks and picollo and gohan starts fighting gotenks buu. they are absolutely evenly matched in strengh . but buu being the endurance fighter that he is wasnt loosing energy as gohan was . gohan had to fight for like 30 mins . goku had to fight for like 2 mins against gotenks buu . goku was fresh for the whole 2 mins of his fight. and we all know how much stress ssj3 puts on goku so i doubt goku could have kept up doing that for more than 15 mins.
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there is no way kid buu is the strongest. we all saw gohan buu totally outclass goku and vegeta in a 2vs1 while goku could stand his ground and fight against kid buu.
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mystic gohan is ssj gohan but in mystic form. and he can go ssj2 while in mystic. remember what the kai said. just become a super saiyan and beleive. thats what he told him to do to become mystic.
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take a look at how close the ssj3 goku and fat buu fight was . goku might have had a little strengh advantage but buu was still able to get hits onto goku and do some damage.
now take a look at gohan vs super buu. super buu is so much stronger than fat buu. gohan was picking him off with eaz. super buu didnt even touch gohan once in that fight.
as for gt they turned every1 except for vegeta into a poof.
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meh . all you guys saying that goku put up a better figth than mystic gohan against gotenks buu. look . watch right when buu absorbs gotenks and picollo and gohan starts fighting gotenks buu. they are absolutely evenly matched in strengh . but buu being the endurance fighter that he is wasnt loosing energy as gohan was . gohan had to fight for like 30 mins . goku had to fight for like 2 mins against gotenks buu . goku was fresh for the whole 2 mins of his fight. and we all know how much stress ssj3 puts on goku so i doubt goku could have kept up doing that for more than 15 mins.
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there is no way kid buu is the strongest. we all saw gohan buu totally outclass goku and vegeta in a 2vs1 while goku could stand his ground and fight against kid buu.
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mystic gohan is ssj gohan but in mystic form. and he can go ssj2 while in mystic. remember what the kai said. just become a super saiyan and beleive. thats what he told him to do to become mystic.
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take a look at how close the ssj3 goku and fat buu fight was . goku might have had a little strengh advantage but buu was still able to get hits onto goku and do some damage.
now take a look at gohan vs super buu. super buu is so much stronger than fat buu. gohan was picking him off with eaz. super buu didnt even touch gohan once in that fight.
as for gt they turned every1 except for vegeta into a poof.
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SSJ chris, I know there all too stupid to understand all the old kai did was upgrade his power as a SSJ, and used it without transforming. And to also think they didnt know that Mystic, was temporary. Later in GT he was only able to go SSJ2. The Mysticness only lasted through the fight with Majin Buu.
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Has nothing to do with it.. GT is a segment of the entire Dragonball series. Same drawers worked on GT as they did Z. Only thing different about GT is that Akira Toriyama had nothing to do with it..
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Goku wasn't fighting at nearly his top strength in the battle against Fat Buu. He'd raised his PL to a point where he was just about able to outpace Buu without using up too much valuable energy. Remember that Goku had this philosophy that it was up to the 'living' fighters of the Earth to defend the planet, since Goku was now dead. That's why he wanted to give Goten and Trunks a chance to fuse and fight Buu, and of course if he'd gone all out against Fat Buu then his time on Earth would have expired rapidly. What if he was unable to defeat Buu in those few precious minutes that he had left? Then nobody would have been able to teach the boys the fusion technique and the Earth would have been royally screwed. (Of course, it was screwed in the end anyway, but Goku couldn't have known what was going to happen at the time.)
But anyway, yes I do believe Mystic Gohan was probably tougher than his father in their fights against Buu, but it's important to remember that Goku never fought at full power as an SSJ3. He held back his power on the Kai's planet as well, to give Vegeta a chance to prove himself. I think there's a chance that if Goku had the time-and nerve-to power up to full capacity, his power probably would have exceeded Gohan's. In fairness to Gohan though, he was the more efficient fighter, because his power came more quickly, and was contained within him - not leaking away like a burst dam with the SSJ3 form.