From the beginning of DBZ, to the end:
1. If he never existed, there would be no Nappa or Raditz, they would have been killed by Frieza. Thus Raditz wouldn't have went to find Goku, Gohan wouldn't have shown his power, Piccalo wouldn't have trained him and became good. Basicaly: There would be no show. This is the most important thing of all.
2. He wouldn't have been able to fight the Ginyu Force (thank god for that. they needed their *** asses beaten up)
3. He wouldn't have been able to reveal the very heart-felt bit on the Saiyan honor, and not giving Goku the motivation and hatred for Frieza that helped Goku beat him.
4. No Trunks.
5. No bye-bye 19. (So it's true, when people go through a tramatizing experience they then try to block it out...)
6. No giving 20 the power he needed to fly back to his hideout to get killed by 17 and 18 (think about this one a little while).
7. He wouldn't have been able to train with Trunks, thus no Final Flash. (my personnal favorite!!!)
8. Trunks wouldn't have gotten hurt by Cell, thus he wouldn't have tried the ki sword, and wouldn't have gotten hurt by Cell, and then Gohan wouldn't go block it, thus breaking his arm, and he wouldn't have used one-handed kamehameha
9. He wouldn't have been there to humiliate the grunts (throughout the series)
10. No moment with Trunks before suicide explosion.
11. No explosion to point out that Buu has regenerative capabilities (this is important!)
12. No Vegetto
13. No Gogeta
14. No Vegetto
And the most important of all (even more than the first)
NO VEGETTO!!!!!!!
Thank you and goodnight.
1. If he never existed, there would be no Nappa or Raditz, they would have been killed by Frieza. Thus Raditz wouldn't have went to find Goku, Gohan wouldn't have shown his power, Piccalo wouldn't have trained him and became good. Basicaly: There would be no show. This is the most important thing of all.
2. He wouldn't have been able to fight the Ginyu Force (thank god for that. they needed their *** asses beaten up)
3. He wouldn't have been able to reveal the very heart-felt bit on the Saiyan honor, and not giving Goku the motivation and hatred for Frieza that helped Goku beat him.
4. No Trunks.
5. No bye-bye 19. (So it's true, when people go through a tramatizing experience they then try to block it out...)
6. No giving 20 the power he needed to fly back to his hideout to get killed by 17 and 18 (think about this one a little while).
7. He wouldn't have been able to train with Trunks, thus no Final Flash. (my personnal favorite!!!)
8. Trunks wouldn't have gotten hurt by Cell, thus he wouldn't have tried the ki sword, and wouldn't have gotten hurt by Cell, and then Gohan wouldn't go block it, thus breaking his arm, and he wouldn't have used one-handed kamehameha
9. He wouldn't have been there to humiliate the grunts (throughout the series)
10. No moment with Trunks before suicide explosion.
11. No explosion to point out that Buu has regenerative capabilities (this is important!)
12. No Vegetto
13. No Gogeta
14. No Vegetto
And the most important of all (even more than the first)
NO VEGETTO!!!!!!!
Thank you and goodnight.
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Well, people have pretty much cleared up why Vegeta is useful, so I'll just say that Vegeta is useful. 
Vegeta has done more HARM to the Earth than any good. He's annoying, stupid, stupid, annoying and stupid, not to forget stupid. He helped out Gohan with the Big Bang Attack, sure. Let's not forget, though, that he had the chance to kill Cell and insteaad chose to attack Trunks so that Cell could absorb #18 and become Perfect.
And then he let Babidi give him Majin powers so that he could fight Goku, which lead directly to the revival of Majin Buu. Everybody that was killed by Perfect Cell and Majin Buu was a direct result of Vegeta's incredible idiocy.
Not to mention that as a character, he won't shut up, is constantly claiming his obviously lacking power is far superior to Goku's, and worst of all, is incredibly popular with fans. If only they'd kill him off permanently...
(edit: To the person who said that Majin Vegeta was beating up SSJ2 Goku in the early Buu Saga - not true. Goku was toying with him, as became apparent when Goku emerged after all of Vegeta's attacks unharmed. Goku was clearly reluctant to attack his 'friend' and former ally. He was never losing, he was just reluctant to harm/kill Vegeta, still thinking he could be saved from Babidi's possession (later revealed to be an actual choice by Vegeta, rather than a curse.) Not to forget that their power levels were basically even. Goku didn't need SSJ3 any more than Vegeta needed Majin. The difference here is that Goku could go SSJ3 because he was superior. Vegeta had to 'cheat'.)
And then he let Babidi give him Majin powers so that he could fight Goku, which lead directly to the revival of Majin Buu. Everybody that was killed by Perfect Cell and Majin Buu was a direct result of Vegeta's incredible idiocy.
Not to mention that as a character, he won't shut up, is constantly claiming his obviously lacking power is far superior to Goku's, and worst of all, is incredibly popular with fans. If only they'd kill him off permanently...
(edit: To the person who said that Majin Vegeta was beating up SSJ2 Goku in the early Buu Saga - not true. Goku was toying with him, as became apparent when Goku emerged after all of Vegeta's attacks unharmed. Goku was clearly reluctant to attack his 'friend' and former ally. He was never losing, he was just reluctant to harm/kill Vegeta, still thinking he could be saved from Babidi's possession (later revealed to be an actual choice by Vegeta, rather than a curse.) Not to forget that their power levels were basically even. Goku didn't need SSJ3 any more than Vegeta needed Majin. The difference here is that Goku could go SSJ3 because he was superior. Vegeta had to 'cheat'.)
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Ok for those of you who think vegeta never helped and should have been there I say go watch the damn serries again because you obveously haven't been paying attention sure he has done his misstake but so has all the characters
Gohan got Goku killed (watch the cell saga I aint explaining)
Vegeta helped beat Buu
Vegeta held off freeza so ther other survived an Goku healed, the others helped too I know
Vegeta did let cell absorb andriod 18 but he nailed cell with a energy ball there for gohan got the upper hand and mamed him
it goes on
Vegeta was a big part
Gohan got Goku killed (watch the cell saga I aint explaining)
Vegeta helped beat Buu
Vegeta held off freeza so ther other survived an Goku healed, the others helped too I know
Vegeta did let cell absorb andriod 18 but he nailed cell with a energy ball there for gohan got the upper hand and mamed him
it goes on
Vegeta was a big part
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Beneficial or not, just about everything he does up until the end of the cell saga is for himself.
Saiyan Saga: He's conquering a planet. He kills Nappa. The fact that he told Piccolo that he was a Namek, from the planet Namek, which leads to the Freeza Saga, wasn't "Vegeta helpin' out tha crew." He expected to kill Piccolo, as well as every other living thing on planet Earth.
Freeza Saga: He killed a lot of important henchmen-type guys, but it was all for himself. In fact, until the last few minutes of his life, his plan was "help the morons out because they have the radar, steal the wish, kill them all." He did buy time, like with the Ginyus and with Freeza. But he fought the Ginyus because he had to. He saved Gohan and Krillin because he needed their help to find the Dragonballs, and he fought Recoome because he had no choice. Same with Freeza. He couldn't run (remember he tried to?), so he fought him. Got his ass kicked too. But as a wonderful bonus that he obviously hadn't intended for (he thought he could beat Freeza; he thought he was actually a super saiyan) he bought Goku JUST enough time to heal and get there.
Cell Saga: He lightened up after all the Freeza stuff. Saved Goku! His first intentional good deed? Nah. Remember, after Goku beat him on Earth, Vegeta wanted nothing but to beat him. In fact one of the corny lines he says, which is often used in anime when a bad guy type character actually saves the hero from another bad guy type character, is that "I won't let anyone kill him but me." Fast forward to the room of spirit and time: You say if there was no Trunks, Vegeta wouldn't have learned Final Flash? Wrong. Vegeta and Trunks NEVER sparred or helped each other in the ROSAT. They were both on their own. That just shows you how much of an ass Vegeta is. Fast forward again: Vegeta lets Cell go perfect. Big, stupid, ****y mistake. After that he saves Gohan. For Goku's sake, maybe, but also maybe because if Cell won, everybody would die, including Vegeta, so if you want to look at the bottle half-empty, that's the explanation. And you can't really contest that
Buu Saga: He's a good guy now, pretty much. But...His desire to kick Goku's rear turns him into a temporary servant of evil again. The resulting fight creates Majin Buu. If he had just been a good little boy, and fought in the tournament, not enough energy would have been supplied for Buu (they agreed not to go SSJ in the tournament, or people would freak out.) Then Gohan would have been drained, they all would have gone to Babidi's, and then Dabura and the other henchmen would have been blown away. But anyway, it goes on, and Vegeta sacrifices himself. Now we know Buu is practically indestructible. Well, it's the thought that counts. After the fight with Goku, Vegeta DOES definitely fight for other people for once. So thanks for that.
Meh. He was a prick for most of the series, but pricks have their uses, even if they don't intend it. He was a badass, and everyone likes the badass, so yeah, DBZ would have been much more crappy without him. After all, bad guys are ALWAYS way cooler than the good guys in just about everyone way. Just look at Cobra and G.I Joe. Zakus and GMs, Ninjas and Steven Seagal, etc.
Saiyan Saga: He's conquering a planet. He kills Nappa. The fact that he told Piccolo that he was a Namek, from the planet Namek, which leads to the Freeza Saga, wasn't "Vegeta helpin' out tha crew." He expected to kill Piccolo, as well as every other living thing on planet Earth.
Freeza Saga: He killed a lot of important henchmen-type guys, but it was all for himself. In fact, until the last few minutes of his life, his plan was "help the morons out because they have the radar, steal the wish, kill them all." He did buy time, like with the Ginyus and with Freeza. But he fought the Ginyus because he had to. He saved Gohan and Krillin because he needed their help to find the Dragonballs, and he fought Recoome because he had no choice. Same with Freeza. He couldn't run (remember he tried to?), so he fought him. Got his ass kicked too. But as a wonderful bonus that he obviously hadn't intended for (he thought he could beat Freeza; he thought he was actually a super saiyan) he bought Goku JUST enough time to heal and get there.
Cell Saga: He lightened up after all the Freeza stuff. Saved Goku! His first intentional good deed? Nah. Remember, after Goku beat him on Earth, Vegeta wanted nothing but to beat him. In fact one of the corny lines he says, which is often used in anime when a bad guy type character actually saves the hero from another bad guy type character, is that "I won't let anyone kill him but me." Fast forward to the room of spirit and time: You say if there was no Trunks, Vegeta wouldn't have learned Final Flash? Wrong. Vegeta and Trunks NEVER sparred or helped each other in the ROSAT. They were both on their own. That just shows you how much of an ass Vegeta is. Fast forward again: Vegeta lets Cell go perfect. Big, stupid, ****y mistake. After that he saves Gohan. For Goku's sake, maybe, but also maybe because if Cell won, everybody would die, including Vegeta, so if you want to look at the bottle half-empty, that's the explanation. And you can't really contest that
Buu Saga: He's a good guy now, pretty much. But...His desire to kick Goku's rear turns him into a temporary servant of evil again. The resulting fight creates Majin Buu. If he had just been a good little boy, and fought in the tournament, not enough energy would have been supplied for Buu (they agreed not to go SSJ in the tournament, or people would freak out.) Then Gohan would have been drained, they all would have gone to Babidi's, and then Dabura and the other henchmen would have been blown away. But anyway, it goes on, and Vegeta sacrifices himself. Now we know Buu is practically indestructible. Well, it's the thought that counts. After the fight with Goku, Vegeta DOES definitely fight for other people for once. So thanks for that.
Meh. He was a prick for most of the series, but pricks have their uses, even if they don't intend it. He was a badass, and everyone likes the badass, so yeah, DBZ would have been much more crappy without him. After all, bad guys are ALWAYS way cooler than the good guys in just about everyone way. Just look at Cobra and G.I Joe. Zakus and GMs, Ninjas and Steven Seagal, etc.
If Vegeta hadn't attacked Earth looking for the Dragonballs, Goku would never have found out about Frieza. Is that good or bad? For the series, yes, it's bad - we want more episodes. But if Gohan had never travelled to Namek, Frieza would also have never found out about the Earth! If Vegeta hadn't tried to get the Dragonballs, Frieza would never have learned about Namek and would never have had killed everybody there and destroyed the planet. How is introducing them to the universes' greatest evil a good thing? How is letting Frieza know about potential immortality a helpful thing?
The others have made mistakes, yes. Gohan let Cell live, and so Goku died. This is not Gohan's fault. It's Vegeta's. He let Cell become Perfect. The death of Trunks was also his fault, and yet at the time he blamed it on Goku. Why?? Because Vegeta is an idiot.
From the very beginning he's managed to screw things up and make life harder for them. Sure, in the context of this, he then proceeds to 'help out'. But it's like cutting off somebody's arm and then helping him by giving him a prosthetic one.
As Hitoriki says, that doesn't mean we don't like to have him in the show. The show would be less interesting without Vegeta. Though I found the show much better after Vegeta commited suicide... right up to the point he came back and formed the ultra-annoying Vegetto. Vegeta^10...
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Heh, Frieza would have found out about the earth eventually, he wanted to conquer all of the universe... but all of that wouldn't have mattered. Without vegeta, No one would have left the earth in search of dragonballs. Either Freiza would have gotten to the Z fighters, or dr. gero. Whichever found them faster. the earth would be destroyed... Vegeta is a very well developed character, in fact, i wouldn't have minded a spinoff about vegeta's entire life. I mean why does trunks get his own special??(no offense, i like trunks) but vegeta deserves one much more. Goku was silly when he was young, i bet vegeta was much cooler .
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Haha.
I can see it now, "The Vegeta Special"
-Shows whats been goin on b4 Planet Vegeta was destroyed up to the part where nappa n veg head for earth.
I can see it now, "The Vegeta Special"
-Shows whats been goin on b4 Planet Vegeta was destroyed up to the part where nappa n veg head for earth.
Well, mentioning the Trunks movie reminds me, though a little off topic... the future that Trunks saved - what about Babidi? And Dabura? What is he going to do when they emerge from hiding and try to resurrect Majin Buu? For all we know, he happily rescued the Earth with his new powers, and a few weeks later Babidi unleashed Majin Buu to completely destroy him. Poor Trunks!
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the person who started this thread should be slapped across the face. Above all of your question, is your post even useful to these forums?
DragonBall Z pretty much makes it what it is with Vegeta.
Without him the show would probably be nothing. The main story line is supposed to be all about "Goku" which it is. You see vegeta come in and all it is, is his pride... its hard to determine what the storyline should be directed to, Goku or Vegeta. It should be vegeta or gokus way, and it pretty much is Goku's way, and at times it will direct towards Vegeta. for people who think he isnt useful then there wont be a DragonBall Z.
You have to remember what everyone has said, the series would pretty much be a big nothing without Vegeta. In the show technically Vegeta is powerful, Not quite as powerful as Goku, But they list that Vegeta is the second strongest character of all DBZ. without Vegeta the show would fall apart, hes a really emotional guy, whos alwasys striving to surpass goku, and he ends up staying 1 step behind him and falling in love with a women and having a kid, and then sacrificing himself for them, just shows what kind of guy he really is, he can be like goku too.
DragonBall Z pretty much makes it what it is with Vegeta.
Without him the show would probably be nothing. The main story line is supposed to be all about "Goku" which it is. You see vegeta come in and all it is, is his pride... its hard to determine what the storyline should be directed to, Goku or Vegeta. It should be vegeta or gokus way, and it pretty much is Goku's way, and at times it will direct towards Vegeta. for people who think he isnt useful then there wont be a DragonBall Z.
You have to remember what everyone has said, the series would pretty much be a big nothing without Vegeta. In the show technically Vegeta is powerful, Not quite as powerful as Goku, But they list that Vegeta is the second strongest character of all DBZ. without Vegeta the show would fall apart, hes a really emotional guy, whos alwasys striving to surpass goku, and he ends up staying 1 step behind him and falling in love with a women and having a kid, and then sacrificing himself for them, just shows what kind of guy he really is, he can be like goku too.
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Vegeta owns. I wont bother to write my own speech about him, because there's been far more effective ones made here. He's a fantastic character, and he shapes DBZ.
LOL, can you imagine if it had just been Nappa? Nappa escapes to space, hates Goku, fights Ginyu force, comes to earth to train with Goku... and omg, the worst bit, has a kid with Bulma >_< Nappa and Bulma! Producing off-spring! it's just too disgusting D:
LOL, can you imagine if it had just been Nappa? Nappa escapes to space, hates Goku, fights Ginyu force, comes to earth to train with Goku... and omg, the worst bit, has a kid with Bulma >_< Nappa and Bulma! Producing off-spring! it's just too disgusting D:
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about vegeta's pink shirt: bulma made him wear it after he took a shower.
and i agree, without vegeta there would be no DBZ!!
as for his quotes:
"The Royal Prince has awakened! I am the most powerful of Saiyans once again!"
nuff said
and i agree, without vegeta there would be no DBZ!!
as for his quotes:
"The Royal Prince has awakened! I am the most powerful of Saiyans once again!"
nuff said
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I think you need a good melee whooping, you seem to talk all this **** about a character who is more liked that any other, and you say it makes the show worse. Just dont watch the fricking show then. Goku was not toying with him at SSJ2, vegeta had more power at the time because of the Majin upgrade, Even if goku tryed going SSJ3 , Vegeta could have stopped him before he started, he had way too much power for Goku, you can tell he was struggling. I don't see where your going with that conversation pal, but hey its your opinion, but still just for saying that im gonna fight you in esf, and to make it worse, Ill play as "Vegeta"
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O_O Come on the show would be empty without Vegita He is always the one who say's the kick @$$ comments:devgrin: The show would be utterly DULL without him (Enough Said:laff: )
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Hey, I know something better.
Without Vegeta, Piccolo would have headshotted Goku with a Special beam Cannon that he wanted to use in the first saga.
Or Goku would have headshotted Piccolo, because Piccolo is a bad guy.
Okay serious, Vegeta has a sense of honor.
But also, a great desire to become the best, even if he would trained his arms and legs off.
"Such" a property is very rare for a warrior.
And what is so attractive about Vegeta, he shows the struggling symbol of Ying and Yang.
Darkness can become Light, or Light can become Darkness.
He is a arrogant person, with a stone heart slowly turning into gold.
Without Vegeta, Piccolo would have headshotted Goku with a Special beam Cannon that he wanted to use in the first saga.
Or Goku would have headshotted Piccolo, because Piccolo is a bad guy.
Okay serious, Vegeta has a sense of honor.
But also, a great desire to become the best, even if he would trained his arms and legs off.
"Such" a property is very rare for a warrior.
And what is so attractive about Vegeta, he shows the struggling symbol of Ying and Yang.
Darkness can become Light, or Light can become Darkness.
He is a arrogant person, with a stone heart slowly turning into gold.
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The SSJ2 Knockdown Brawl in the Buu saga was dead even. I do not care if you think Goku was toying with Vegeta; he wasn't: as SSJ2 they were equal. If he'd gone SSJ3, yeah, Vegeta's in deep ****. But they didn't. They were SSJ2, and they were equal, and if I do say so, that was a gorgeous fight.
As far as his usefulness...they wouldn't have even come close to beating Buu if he hadn't come up with the spirit bomb idea, or gave that great speech to the people of earth. hehehe. And dont' say "oh Buu would've never been resurrected" because he WOULD have...that was just a stupid shortcut to get it done in like an hour. The way they originally planned--using the energy of the people of earth and their strongest warriors--would have eventually come to pass. And without Vegeta there on Kai's planet, Goku would've went, "well gee golly, I did the Kamehameha wave 685940 times to this guy and he won't die. I guess I should give up, I'm all out of moves! [giggle]"
Don't get me wrong...I love Goku, he is an excellent character. But I love the relationship between he and Vegeta more.
Vegeta is also one of the main conflicts of the show. Tell me that episode where he admitted he couldn't be better than Goku was not an emotional milestone in the series. Go on, I dare you. lol
Still...the fact of the matter is, Goku was bloody red raw after the SSJ2 Battle...he was just as knocked up as Vegeta, even if he was not trying as hard on offense. He was trying to defend and then subdue Vegeta, hold him off long enough to get through...but Vegeta's ruthless aggression did a number on him, so much so that he needed to use a sensu bean before he even dared to try and fight Buu. So duh...it ****ing hurt him.
I personally love Goku and Vegeta's interaction more than anything else on the show...their relationship and their respect for one another when Buu is beaten is really an admirable thing. I wish I could have that with some of my rivals in real life...
As far as his usefulness...they wouldn't have even come close to beating Buu if he hadn't come up with the spirit bomb idea, or gave that great speech to the people of earth. hehehe. And dont' say "oh Buu would've never been resurrected" because he WOULD have...that was just a stupid shortcut to get it done in like an hour. The way they originally planned--using the energy of the people of earth and their strongest warriors--would have eventually come to pass. And without Vegeta there on Kai's planet, Goku would've went, "well gee golly, I did the Kamehameha wave 685940 times to this guy and he won't die. I guess I should give up, I'm all out of moves! [giggle]"
Don't get me wrong...I love Goku, he is an excellent character. But I love the relationship between he and Vegeta more.
Vegeta is also one of the main conflicts of the show. Tell me that episode where he admitted he couldn't be better than Goku was not an emotional milestone in the series. Go on, I dare you. lol
Still...the fact of the matter is, Goku was bloody red raw after the SSJ2 Battle...he was just as knocked up as Vegeta, even if he was not trying as hard on offense. He was trying to defend and then subdue Vegeta, hold him off long enough to get through...but Vegeta's ruthless aggression did a number on him, so much so that he needed to use a sensu bean before he even dared to try and fight Buu. So duh...it ****ing hurt him.
I personally love Goku and Vegeta's interaction more than anything else on the show...their relationship and their respect for one another when Buu is beaten is really an admirable thing. I wish I could have that with some of my rivals in real life...