USSJ-SSJ2 Question!!

[Celticus]

Hey everybody!! just watched the episode when USSJ trunks had a Fight with Cell
But i have a question: Isn't USSJ Stronger that SSJ2 but slower in speed??
Because if that's true Trunks could have destroyed Cell easy! (with a beam like gohan did)

What do you think? :tired: :tired:

 

[Brim]

A. No USSJ is not stronger than SSJ2, I'm not positive (and no one is because not even the series says) but I believe that it is the same

B. The reason Trunks couldn't destroy Cell is because he couldn't hit him, doesnt matter how strong you are if you can't use the strength

 

[Vegeta]

Hey everybody!! just watched the episode when USSJ trunks had a Fight with Cell
But i have a question: Isn't USSJ Stronger that SSJ2 but slower in speed??
Because if that's true Trunks could have destroyed Cell easy!

No. I don't think he's stronger, because SSJ2 Gohan punched Cell once and he nearly collapsed. The next hit caused him to spit out Android 18.

Trunks' punches weren't that powerful..

And that transformation was useless..

It's not even worth discussing....

 

[Celticus]

I mean he could distroy him if he used a BEAM! sorry i did't say that

 

[Xenogias]

lol @ RP. Heres what I think about the two Transformations:

USSJ - Strong but Slow
SSJ2 - Stronger than USSJ, Faster

Its basically just an "in-between" SSJ-SSJ2 transformation, atleast thats how I saw it
through the series. Trunk's did punch Cell once during his USSJ form, but he was only
able to punch him through a wall. Gohan on the other hand, he nearly pulled a bojack.
Where his fists nearly went through Cell. And as the other guy said, it only took two
punches to make Cell realize he stood no chance against a Super Saiya-jin 2.

 

[Sliq]

You need speed in order to hit someone, you may be as powerfull as you want, but if your slow wouldnt really matter how strong you are. So yes, SSJ2 is stronger and fastser.

 

[drevilz4l]

I mean he could distroy him if he used a BEAM! sorry i did't say that

But technically Vegeta went USSJ when he used his final flash attack on cell, and it did nothing to him.

 

[Xenogias]

But technically Vegeta went USSJ when he used his final flash attack on cell, and it did nothing to him.

It did nothing? I guess Cell was missing half of his body for no reason then...
Although he was able to regenerate it, Cell could have probably taken the attack
if he was powered up but he was just standing there like an idiot thinking hese
all perfect.

 

[drevilz4l]

It did nothing? I guess Cell was missing half of his body for no reason then...
Although he was able to regenerate it, Cell could have probably taken the attack
if he was powered up but he was just standing there like an idiot thinking hese
all perfect.

Thats kind of what i meant. Yes the attack did damage cell but he promptly regenerated. If you think about it though, Goku did the same amount of damage to cell with his teleport kamehameha and he wasn't even USSJ. Its really hard to compare though because USSJ was used so little in the show.

 

[Xelloss]

goku was stronger than USSJ cuz he was SSY 1 full power that is the power of the USSJ but really faster so its a worth trans

 

[Vegeta]

goku was stronger than USSJ cuz he was SSY 1 full power that is the power of the USSJ but really faster so its a worth trans

That's Goku's final stage. Just call him Super Goku. It's a level all the saiyans reached. Goku just used a different method of training than everyone else. Goku and Gohan were even in strength after leaving the Time Chamber.

Yeah, the level Goku was at was way more powerful than Trunks' level.

 

[Ultimate 17]

Heh, makes me wonder how quickly the saga could have ended if everyone would have ganged up on cell's half-body instead of standing there in awe-- "Wow, Vegeta just blew half of Cell away"-- crap after Vegeta did a FF to cell.

I just remember Trunks saying "Gohan's increased his strength without losing speed" which makes me think that USSJ Trunks and Gohan's SSJ2 form could have been close to equal strength in terms of raw power, but was less apart in the USSJ form because of a lack of speed.

Do you think that if two characters had equal strength but different speeds, their pl would still be the same since pl is a measurement of power? Just asking because Cell comments "Youre doing the same thing Trunks did" when Gohan is powering up to SSJ2. I think Cell made that accusation because he felt Gohan's powerlevel and it didn't feel any bigger than when Trunks was USSJ. And maybe its the reason for why Cell wasn't amazed by Gohan at first, until Gohan's speed came into play and shocked Cell after he couldn't hit him.

So going back to the question of whether Trunks could have killed Cell with a beam-- I think it might have been possible. I mean, USSJ Vegeta took out half of Cell and Vegeta was worn out from Cell knocking him around before hand. Perhaps a fully-powered Vegeta could have done more damage if he wasn't already fatigued. Same case for Trunks since his pl wasn't that far off of Vegeta's. Who knows though. =\

 

[MrTrick Jr.]

even goku was stronger than trunks when he powered up! otherwise trunks wouldn't have said "that's incredible" when goku pulled out the stops!
and gohan was even stronger than goku in SSJ form! and until gohan pushed the last energy into that mega-khh you never see his full power! that's indicated by various comments on the fight! "he didn't even break a sweat", "he should be exhausted",....

and trunks couldn't have defeated cell with a beamattack! cell says that he can't even test his complete power on trunks! and trunks doesn't have a powerful attack like final-flash!
and when cell got final-flashed by vegeta, he wasn't powered up either!

 

[Sonic the Vampire]

Goku wasn't stronger than trunks when he powered up... in fact, nowhere in the show did they even allude to that. They never compared power levels like that, and they never will. All we have to go on is that USSJ is stronger than SSJ and slower than SSJ, and SSJ2 is stronger than SSJ and faster than SSJ. USSJ Trunks was more powerful physically than Cell, but for all we know SSJ2 was just faster. Sure, Gohan smashed Cell in the stomach, but even a relatively weak guy can sucker punch you if he catches you totally off gaurd.

And on the note of Final Flash: Only the kamehameha was anywhere near that amount of power, and it realistically wasn't all that close to it. Final Flash was nigh-instantaneous in comparison and ripped through Cell before he ever had a chance to react. Cell tried to block and it just took off half of his body. Final Flash was just raw energy that tore through everything it touched, and it probably could have killed Cell if Akira Toriyama had wanted it to, but it didn't.

 

[NightShade]

Well way i see it is this

Trunks is stupid. He does not have the mind set for battle.
Trunks was not stronger then cell. Cell proved that any kid could pump up like that.
Goku was more powerful then trunks in ussj Because Goku was able to stand head to head with cell. and even do a wound. well trunks gave up and knew he was no match



If you dont agree then rawr

 

[SailorAlea]

You guys should note that Goku never fought anybody as USSJ.

The only time Goku ever goes "USSJ" is in the Room of Spirit and Time, and he does it VERY briefly. Gohan is amazed and says that he can beat Cell as he is, and Goku disagrees--he is stronger but much slower.

He then reverts to the "Super" stage, (as in, SuperVegeta, SuperTrunks, and now SuperGoku/SuperGohan)

That is the stage that Gohan and Goku fight Cell in. "Super."
Gohan goes crazy and goes SSJ2. They do not fight in USSJ.


Side-note:
If USSJ Trunks had used a beam attack with all his power on Cell, it most likely would have damaged him very similarly in Final Flash did, but it would not have killed him.
The 'ki' level is USSJ is nowhere near the 'ki' level of SSJ2.

 

[kaje01]

i think the pumped up version of ussj is the strongest in the show. there is no limit to how much power you can gather in that form. You saw when cell went all balloon and blew up kamis planet? trunks could have probably done that if he wanted to. And i think if you were to pump yourself up enough without exploding, sure trunks could have killed cell with a beam.

 

[MrTrick Jr.]

erm....have you ever seen DBZ? (lol)

 

[jray]

this will explain everything about which form is stronger during the cell games. check it out.

every body is saying that ussj1 and ussj2 are different levels above ssj but I think that ussj1 and ussj2 are just the result of powerups within ssj level 1. When a ssj trains in the ssj form like the saiyans did in the rosat there power probrably doubled or tripled but since there bodies are already using about 30 to 40% of there ki to transform into ssj in the first place all that power causes there muscles to become larger in size and strain the body which is ussj1. the speed at this height of power does not decrease because the muscles have not reached the size of ussj2 yet. the only weakness is the power consumption since the saiyans body is untrained to handle that power yet.

now when the saiyan train hard in there ssj1 and ussj1 forms then the next massive power up is ussj2. even though this is a massive power up the power is still within the ssj1 level. in this form the saiyans muscle become so large that is hinders the saiyan's movements and kills his speed. the energy comsumption to sustain this power is also draining on the saiyan's body since the saiyan has not mastered super saiyan yet.

now check this out the reason why the vegeta, trunks, and goku become massively bulked up when they reach these power ups which are ussj1 and 2 is because there bodies already have to use about 30 to 40% of there ki to transform and sustain the ssj form so when they reach ussj1 and ussj2 the ki comsumption is to great and the body is strain and forced to bulk up to handle the power. thats all it is. the power is still within ssj1.

bear with me here im almost done. here is were fpssj (full power super saiyan)comes in. fpssj is basically the same thing as ussj1 or ussj2 just powers ups within ssj1 level. the only difference is that since the saiyan has trained his ssj form to cause no ki comsumption or no strain on the body like goku and gohan did the saiyan can now use the ussj1 and usssj2 power ups without the body being strained and needing to bulk up to handle the power. On top of that since 30 to 40% of the saiyan's ki is used to sustain the ssjform that extra power can now be used to strengthen the super saiyan even more making him up to twice as strong as an ussj1 or ussj2 that has not mastered the ssj form.

During the cell games since goku and gohan have mastered there ssj forms they can power up to ussj1 and ussj2 levels but there bodies will not bulk up since they are trained to handle the power now and the 30% - 40% ki that is used to sustain the form is now used to make the them even more stronger and since the muscle do not bulk up with this large power increase the speed is greatly increased as well. this is why just half of goku's power was already stronger then ussj vegeta at the lookout. goku and gohan were both way stronger then ussj1 vegeta and ussj2 trunks. ussj2 is not a midpoint between ssj1 and ssj2. ussj2 is basically a really strong ssj1. fpssj1 is can be up to twice as strong as ussj2 but its still within the ssj1 level. when the fpssj1 ascends to ssj2 like gohan did against cell his power increased up to 5 to 10 times that of fpssj1 which is >> then ussj2. so no more crap about ussj2 being a midpoint between ssj1 and ssj2.

lets get some feed back here. what do you guys think about my theory.

 

[|Overlord|]

According to Trunks, Vegeta never went beyond the level of ussj that trunks ascended to because apparently he knew about the speed loss. I guess Trunks could of well actually beaten cell, because I have those episodes on dvd and judging from what I saw, untill Trunks was overdoing powering up the forms, he didn't have that much of a problem keeping up with cell's punches (even though trunks was holding back to distract cell from destroyying vegeta).

I guess you could just say that ssj2 is ussj1/ussj2 with out the speed loss.