Two Suggestions: Fusion and a way to make Krillin more useful

[Painkiller]

Yup. Still strange, tho... having Gotenks but not Vegetto
I'd say let the team deside

 

[Damaera]

Yup. Still strange, tho... having Gotenks but not Vegetto
I'd say let the team deside

Not necessarily, it's been pointed out many times above that Vegetto would be a useless character, where in this case Gotenks would be a totally unique character. Despite them both being fusion characters, those are the only things they have in common, and in my opinion, Vegetto doesn't need to be put in ESF just because of Gotenks being in ESF.

 

[Grega]

Yup. Still strange, tho... having Gotenks but not Vegetto
I'd say let the team deside

READ MY LIP..... err .... words ^^;

Project Gotenks got the green light, with a full design of the character planned and OKd by the dev team. The only condition was that Gotenks beeing a comunity project and Project Tien allready started that Tien be finished first and then have the comunity start on Gotenks. Other than that small little fact the team was OK with Gotenks back in 2005 based on the design that was made in 2005. And that design is something very similar to what Dam suggested in this thread.

 

[Painkiller]

In other words no vegetto since he'll be a goku+vegeta char.. he bascially is tho xd

 

[Grega]

Teh reason why teh team stated that they wont do Gotenks is because Goten and Trunks are miniature copies of Goku and Trunks who allready exist in ESF. But since the idea with the buddy system was liked it was decided that Gotenks has a chance if made by the comunity.

 

[Tenzo]

Ahh... disregard my last post, I see what point you're trying to make, Tenzo.

Yeah, I guess it does make sense, but honestly, Vegetto would probably be the least unique character in ESF. As Grega said, he's a total ripoff of Goku and Vegeta, so his moveset would consist of a mixture between Goku and Vegeta's attacks, whereas if we look at Gotenks, he would be one of the most, if not THE most unique character in ESF with the way the Goten and Trunks class would work as a whole.

Yeah, i got it now.
But if Gotenks makes it to ESF:F i'm cool with that.

 

[TAKHAR5000]

i like damaera's fusion suggestion, but i agree it would be better if it had a timer on the fusion, but the exact real times like in Dragonball Z, that would be quite an amazing feature tbh,, and it would sort of make the fusion like the tenkaichi fusion wouldnt it??... hmm,, nice idea

 

[RavenTrunks]

Need i remind you that your fusion suggestion (*gasp*) was suggested and accepted back in 2005 when the team OKd project Gotenks. The only condition was finishing Project Tien first which as you very well know... never happened..

Technically, the progress Tien made is actually the furthest the community can take it. I do believe DT said something about him doing those animations himself, since he has a unique way of doing the esf animations. So technically all we need is a Goten and trunks model with i guess the sounds to go with it. And the sound thing I can do personally.

 

[Grega]

Correction RT. While the animation list for Tien was nearly donne with the basic animations. There was still something missing. Tiens transformation would be buddy with Chautzu. There was an atempt on the model but nothing really finished. So Tien was 50% at best.

 

[Damaera]

Actually the model I have right now is bundled with Ciatzou, it was rigged and animated, too.

 

[Grega]

Oh all i found in the thread was the chautzu model.

So why not present the Tien to the team then if it was that much finished?

 

[Synth]

I don't see why you can't just make all the good and evil characters buddy system universal.

Each character can buddy with any other character... so, each character only has one buddy animation... saves you guys some time, I think?

A Krillin/Goku buddy keeps up with a Vegeta/Trunks buddy, easily.

 

[Sicron]

Would make it somewhat more interesting, now that you say it Synth... But what would you do with transformations such as Goku's SSJ1/3? If you'd couple Goku with Vegeta for example, you'd just get a massively overpowered 'character' and it would present some serious balancing issues.

 

[Synth]

I still don't know why the ESF development team has always decided that each character needs a different starting powerlevel. Sadly, I suggested different powerlevels in the past (but, I was young and naive) This game has no balance whatsoever in the first place. The only way any other character (but, Goku) is going to be consistently useful is if you give everyone the same base starting powerlevel, and make all the power, speed, etc. stats the same, and all the transformations queued at a specific powerlevel across the board. At that point, you can let individual aesthetics and canon principles dictate the growth of the game.

Goku >>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone else

 

[Sicron]

I agree with you on that though. I personally find it that currently, all characters are pretty much a like. Yes, Goku is stronger, and that's what makes Goku somewhat unique, but all other characters are only weaker copies of him, not many of them have unique features to them. Freeza has a couple, but that's about it. Every character has a beam attack, and they all work in exactly the same way. You can't really specialise in a certain character. That's why I think adding Gotenks in a buddy system, would make him a far more unique character than anyone else.

 

[Vladius]

Yeah, but that makes only one unique character
It would be better if the team did all the characters unique in some way (by adding some special powerups like USSJ2 for Vegeta or 100% for Frieza, or maybe unique melee abilities)

 

[ESCachuli]

I think you should wait to see the game in action in order to decide if the game is balanced or not.

 

[Tenzo]

I'm sure the team thought about most of the key parts in ESF so no worries.