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Yeah, I'm simply repeating your words and I'm the one being offensive o.0.
You're telling him not to waste his time attempting to answer questions that probably can't be answered in life, because we're going to suddenly figure out everything in death. This concept is something I'd expect to hear in a religious gathering (Don't question anything because you'll find out later! In the meantime, let's dilly dally about and do what everyone else is doing! Hooray!); not from you. This way of thinking isn't exactly my cup of tea, and I imagine Jinx won't be drinking from that cup either.
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live your life, and the way you live your life shows on its own. if your a good person you may go through your life helping people. or if your curious youll go for all the knowledge you can get. its your personality.
but using your life to try to find answers you cant find in life is no way to live. its called obsession to relentlessly go after what you cant have. ill just say that patience is the best way to learn. not to go after everything at once.
after all, truths take more than study to find.
you cant explain infinity by living in the finite. and you cant prove life after death, heaven or hell, or god and satan by sitting around and thinking. all you will get is a plethora of conundrums.
and what i mean by offensive is your very eager to debate today.
edit: and as for the "truth", i also said that experience is the best way to learn any lesson. im not telling him to go commit suicide. when he sees those ridiculous-ass miracles, or some huge presentation of faith, hell find whatever answer he wants to find.
edit2: for you and me, its FUN to debate this stuff. its not an importance. but we both know that it cant actually be proven because its a "c 4 urself" situation.
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A lifetime spent in the pursuit of knowledge isn't a lifetime wasted. Others may not benefit from whatever knowledge one would gain on such a journey, but believe it or not, there are people who find happiness in simply knowing. Often, the end result isn't as important as the journey itself. I'm not sure why we would suddenly know everything that there is to know in death, but if it were possible to learn the answers to certain questions that all people have while still amongst the living, and pass on what little knowledge we've gained throughout our lifetime, we will have done our part to better humanity as a whole.
Patience is, indeed, required to reach certain conclusions, but if you wait until you're dead, you've waited far too long.
Also, HD vision glasses are amazing.
Patience is, indeed, required to reach certain conclusions, but if you wait until you're dead, you've waited far too long.
Also, HD vision glasses are amazing.
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pursuit of knowledge is great, and i promote whoever does it. but is it really the same to pursue something that cant be proven? death is just another experience. like everything else, we dont know whats after death. if you really think theres nothing after, then your just pessimistic. yet your overly optimistic if you think theres an entirely new life.
as i said, simply pursuing wont really get you anywhere. although, i guess people do enjoy the pursuit, but is it really worth it if you find out at the end of your life anyway?
that would seem to be a ****ty spoiler to me if you spend your entire life searching and then the answer is just presented to you like it comes standard along with the halo.
edit: yeah, im saving up for a higher resolution, so for now im stuck with this 600/900 bull****.
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Why can't what Jinx pursues be proven? The only real reason why humanity would be unable to figure something out given enough time is because we either didn't attempt to in the first place or we didn't try hard enough. Knowledge of this sort isn't something one gains in a single lifetime. Person A spends his life writing down his observations and ideas, distributes his ideas to Persons B, C and D and they continue pursuing whatever knowledge it is they hope to gain. And the cycle continues and continues until, at some point in time, we arrive at an answer most of us can agree upon. It is extremely short-sighted to think in terms of single lifetimes.
This has absolutely nothing to do with believing or not believing in an afterlife. I'm saying it is foolish not to spend your life doing something you truly love and enjoy because you believe everything is going to fall into your lap once you die. Being unhappy and doing what everyone else is doing simply because everyone else is doing it is a waste of life. In the end, what have you accomplished? What have you contributed to humanity other than devoting your life to keep The Machine running smoothly?
Then again, some people take pride in their work as paper pushers or what have you. It isn't for me, in the same way that pursuing knowledge perceived as outside of mankind's reach isn't for you. If you do the latter, you'll come across vast amounts of related, and wholly unrelated information that will benefit you in some way. That's how I look at it, anyway. You may not find the answer to the question you were looking for, but you did answer 10 other questions you hadn't thought to ask.
Most people ultimately fail to achieve their goal, but it is through their failure that someone else may succeed. Links in a chain and all that jazz.
You don't get halos in the afterlife. Trust me. You get something far better.
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weve been pondering the same god question for thousands of years with no results other than mass suicides and poisonings. and the occasional child groping.
its not a question of time. its a question of place. if there is a god he/she/it doesnt exist in dimensions, space, time, or on any kind of plane. but we do. there may be a time when we can break through dimensions. maybe stop time. cross planes, and cheat space. but we cant do all of it at once. weve proven that he cant be seen, heard, smelled, touched or (god forbid) tasted. so he doesnt exist in a way we, as humans, are capable of comprehending.
we exist in finite. our existence started with the big bang, and itll end with either the big rip or the big crunch. or the insane meteor. whatever.
but the journey is a good point. i cant blame him for wanting that. but as i said, simply reading a book or watching some jackass speak for 3 minutes isnt gonna give you an answer. and if it does, your deluding yourself, because you got HIS answer.
everyones "truths" are different.
you cant say jinx is "pursuing" anything by sitting down and half assedly researching or browsing the internet.
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Yes, thousands of years. A veritable drop in the ocean that is time. Our Sun alone has what? 4 or 5 billion good years left in it before it becomes a red giant? Even then, that's assuming we don't leave our solar system ever, which is nothing more than a fringe possibility. We've gone from a bunch of spear wielding hunter gatherers to space explorers in the blink of an eye. Give us a few more and who knows where we'll be.
Given enough time, there isn't a single thing that we can not do. We can't cheat space? Really? You'll be plenty surprised when we figure out how to control worm holes. Can't cheat time? I sure do hope we don't create short-term cryogenic machines, or learn to curve space around one of our vehicles propelling ourselves faster than the speed of light without having all of the baggage we'd normally have attached.
We haven't proven anything regarding God, because quite frankly, we don't know what to look for. All we have are our myths and beliefs. Odds are most or all of them are incorrect, or only partially correct.
Why would we die with our Universe? It's only a matter of time before we're able to detect other Universes, especially if the multiverse theory is proven to be correct. Is detection a farcry from actually escaping our Universe? Absolutely, but if you believe that it is impossible, then it is you who is the pessimist. Not I.
Jinx isn't pursuing information the way that I would. That much I'll admit. But he is searching for knowledge, albeit in his own way. He's unfocused, and a little gullible, but at least he's questioning things. At least give him that much credit.
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we cant exist in a space where there are no laws, because were formed in a space that runs solely on law. same as us not being able to survive without oxygen or water because we evolved using it.
so we cant cheat all the laws at once, which would be required to pass through universe's. all of it is possible, but theres a reason its impossible to see a black holes exact center, the singularity. it would break the laws and destroy physical space. (im sure you know this but for others sake, the singularity is the exact center of a black hole and defies all laws and principles of physics. until recently, when we theorized an energy source blocked it from actual contact from our existence, it was the main reason we thought black holes were not possible.)
"god" could be rationalized as the human paranoia complex. when something bad happens to you, someone else caused it. we may not know what to look for because he may be a spectre born from paranoia. works in reverse too.
both of us question pretty much everything we come across, thats why were intelligent, and, well, argumentative. but if you question everything, where your basis? you cant learn from a hypothesis if you dont have a control test. he wont know what a real answer is if he questions everything.
btw, i have no clue what were debating about anymore. physics, god, or jinx?
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Well... personally i believe that God created the universe billions of years ago... and then created humanity or whatever 6,000 years ago like this man said.
Thats my point of view on it. There's no way that the universe was created 6000 years ago, that defies all laws of physics completely.
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The idea of using God to terminate an infinite regress does little more than aggravate that same infinite regress with a vengeance...theological and intellectual cowardice.
I wont say that God is impossible, but you have to realise that it is highly highly highly improbable and a highly highly highly flawed and complacent attempt at explaining reality (whilst placing our lives at cosmic significance), especially when the sphere of human knowledge is taken into account. Theism and Deism creates more problems than they solve. Pantheism isnt so bad, but is easily misinterpreted by others.
Basing your opinions off of theologians who are desperately trying to find some rationale for an absurd belief is no way to interpret reality.
BTW Eminence, it is ENERGY that cannot be created or destroyed, not MATTER. Matter is merely energy manifested in a particular way. A pantheist might say God = Energy and nothing more than that. Trying to personify it merely demonstrates cerebral mechanisms at work, nothing more IMO.
I wont say that God is impossible, but you have to realise that it is highly highly highly improbable and a highly highly highly flawed and complacent attempt at explaining reality (whilst placing our lives at cosmic significance), especially when the sphere of human knowledge is taken into account. Theism and Deism creates more problems than they solve. Pantheism isnt so bad, but is easily misinterpreted by others.
Basing your opinions off of theologians who are desperately trying to find some rationale for an absurd belief is no way to interpret reality.
BTW Eminence, it is ENERGY that cannot be created or destroyed, not MATTER. Matter is merely energy manifested in a particular way. A pantheist might say God = Energy and nothing more than that. Trying to personify it merely demonstrates cerebral mechanisms at work, nothing more IMO.
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What’s so hilarious, is I am so far off the right state of mind to word this all appropriately, it’s not even funny.
There are often too many factors in all existence for the human mind to comprehend, all at once(obviously not), and even small bits at a time, all existing in our physical world, and not only what is within the confines of our minds.
You notice, that as you age, and you when you retread older thoughts, your inner, surrounding feeling is different than it once was, almost as if "Oh, that makes more sense now." It’s just simply maturity.
Yes, quite often, deep analyzers may touch certain aspects yet to be touched by those who simply never gave the vastness of their minds another look, or simply lacked the curiosity, or imagination, and moved on with a content feeling of a certain idea, simplified. (Age plays a large part, and at some point, when you have a better understanding of all things, after much analyzation, your content, can very well be a justified one.
What’s a justified content? It is simply what it sounds to be. Firstly, you must wait until you’ve fully matured and knowledgeable of existence. Generally it is age 25. Rather worded, justified ideal-content. In simple, you won't want to accept something without fully understanding it.
Say a 15 year old understands how a bank works, but for some reason he has so many questions and disagreeances, and suggestions of his own on how to improve it. A 29 year old would understand surrounding elements of the mechanics as to why those things the 15 year old didn't like are vital to the mechanics. Simply this is a case of obvliousness. Typically there is always some sort of missed aspect. People assume, judge, and act more often when they know nothing in entirety than they do everything in entirety.
If you feel you’ve tread every little corner of your mind’s potential, and you’ve come to a realization at every notion, countless times, and your feelings toward those notions are the same each time, make your move. The move is simply your positive embodiment, aiming in a destined direction, created by you. Make what you can of it, and enjoy.
In reality, the simplicity allows you to enjoy life, and lessens the weight; in fact, it's all around you.
Jinx, if you want to be a philosopher, allow yourself the time to age--but don't give up on the thoughts and analyzing, because those are what will give you new insight to many things often neglected by those who tend to often follow simple figures, ideals, and facts, lacking ability to delve deeper into things, things that stretch beyond the simple facts, venture through imagination, things that don’t necessarily have to be illegitimacies, or rejected unrealistic, but new hopes, uncorrupt, weightless and clear, broad thought with potential to allow new belief, or happiness, with no such contradictions involved. It is just a matter of viewing the world through a God's eyes. (I personally don't see how a God is realistic).
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Ever heard of, "You will reach your goal, if you stay on course."? It has such simple meaning, while it involves greatly your state of mind, and condition.
Feeling, mood, etc. As the world ages, so does technology, culture—and your view of it all--sure, to some extent, there is a simplistic method found to continuing the existence of life, in one neverending cycle, simply for the fact that we must have a purpose, that we must endure, and live for the sole reason we are alive(Quite just the 3rd person)—but there are those who refuse to become part of that, and aim for something greater. You carry that quality, right now, you only lack direction. Rest assured, you will make your mark—just don’t sway. Keep your mind and spirit set to what you truly want.
Once you’ve allowed yourself the time to learn and age, you will eventually realize your destiny, and in addition you will be at a stage every person reaches in their life. A wise, aged and clear-minded state; the subconscious repercussions have flattened, and your goals are clear. You no longer feed the negative through to reach the bowels of your mind, and thus when there are no negatives to recycle you’re more clear-minded, and able to repeat your positive process over and over again.
There are often too many factors in all existence for the human mind to comprehend, all at once(obviously not), and even small bits at a time, all existing in our physical world, and not only what is within the confines of our minds.
You notice, that as you age, and you when you retread older thoughts, your inner, surrounding feeling is different than it once was, almost as if "Oh, that makes more sense now." It’s just simply maturity.
Yes, quite often, deep analyzers may touch certain aspects yet to be touched by those who simply never gave the vastness of their minds another look, or simply lacked the curiosity, or imagination, and moved on with a content feeling of a certain idea, simplified. (Age plays a large part, and at some point, when you have a better understanding of all things, after much analyzation, your content, can very well be a justified one.
What’s a justified content? It is simply what it sounds to be. Firstly, you must wait until you’ve fully matured and knowledgeable of existence. Generally it is age 25. Rather worded, justified ideal-content. In simple, you won't want to accept something without fully understanding it.
Say a 15 year old understands how a bank works, but for some reason he has so many questions and disagreeances, and suggestions of his own on how to improve it. A 29 year old would understand surrounding elements of the mechanics as to why those things the 15 year old didn't like are vital to the mechanics. Simply this is a case of obvliousness. Typically there is always some sort of missed aspect. People assume, judge, and act more often when they know nothing in entirety than they do everything in entirety.
If you feel you’ve tread every little corner of your mind’s potential, and you’ve come to a realization at every notion, countless times, and your feelings toward those notions are the same each time, make your move. The move is simply your positive embodiment, aiming in a destined direction, created by you. Make what you can of it, and enjoy.
In reality, the simplicity allows you to enjoy life, and lessens the weight; in fact, it's all around you.
Jinx, if you want to be a philosopher, allow yourself the time to age--but don't give up on the thoughts and analyzing, because those are what will give you new insight to many things often neglected by those who tend to often follow simple figures, ideals, and facts, lacking ability to delve deeper into things, things that stretch beyond the simple facts, venture through imagination, things that don’t necessarily have to be illegitimacies, or rejected unrealistic, but new hopes, uncorrupt, weightless and clear, broad thought with potential to allow new belief, or happiness, with no such contradictions involved. It is just a matter of viewing the world through a God's eyes. (I personally don't see how a God is realistic).
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Ever heard of, "You will reach your goal, if you stay on course."? It has such simple meaning, while it involves greatly your state of mind, and condition.
Feeling, mood, etc. As the world ages, so does technology, culture—and your view of it all--sure, to some extent, there is a simplistic method found to continuing the existence of life, in one neverending cycle, simply for the fact that we must have a purpose, that we must endure, and live for the sole reason we are alive(Quite just the 3rd person)—but there are those who refuse to become part of that, and aim for something greater. You carry that quality, right now, you only lack direction. Rest assured, you will make your mark—just don’t sway. Keep your mind and spirit set to what you truly want.
Once you’ve allowed yourself the time to learn and age, you will eventually realize your destiny, and in addition you will be at a stage every person reaches in their life. A wise, aged and clear-minded state; the subconscious repercussions have flattened, and your goals are clear. You no longer feed the negative through to reach the bowels of your mind, and thus when there are no negatives to recycle you’re more clear-minded, and able to repeat your positive process over and over again.
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Okay to move back ontopic abit...
here some perspective about religion whether its science/mythlogoy
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here some perspective about religion whether its science/mythlogoy
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Wow that second movie is made by an incredibly intelligent person! Not. His assumption of time cannot be infinite and therefor matter and space cannot be infinite either so someone very powerful and intelligent must have made us is bull****. It still does not prove in any way that a godlike person exists. For whatever reason time, matter and space must be created because they can't be infinite, wouldn't that apply to a God either? Who made God? Is God infinite(ly old)? If he is, then there is absolutly no proof that time, matter and space can't be infinite. Because if he can, there is a possibility that the Universe could have existed for an infinite of time as well.
If God is not infinite. Then who made God? And who made the creator of God? And who made the creator of the creator of God? Just because God is so awesome he can live for an infinite amount of time, doesn't mean time, matter and space can't.
You know, what I just said made absolutely no sense at all. And I just summed up that video but added a couple of more points. Like he said in the begin of the video, he 'tries' to proof God exists. And he failed miserably at it.
If God is not infinite. Then who made God? And who made the creator of God? And who made the creator of the creator of God? Just because God is so awesome he can live for an infinite amount of time, doesn't mean time, matter and space can't.
You know, what I just said made absolutely no sense at all. And I just summed up that video but added a couple of more points. Like he said in the begin of the video, he 'tries' to proof God exists. And he failed miserably at it.
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A growing earth, if you haven't heard about it... possibly may have something to do with the great flood
Sicron: seems like you're thinking like I used to think. It seems that you belief things have a start and finish so much that believe that someone/thing must've made God and the thing that made God mustve been startedy by another creator. If I'm correct why is it that you think differently of time?
A growing earth, if you haven't heard about it... possibly may have something to do with the great flood
Sicron: seems like you're thinking like I used to think. It seems that you belief things have a start and finish so much that believe that someone/thing must've made God and the thing that made God mustve been startedy by another creator. If I'm correct why is it that you think differently of time?
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Could you please rephrase that sentence, because it made absolutely no sense to me.
Also that video again proofs nothing. A) He cannot go back in time to check if the planet grew or not. B) Why can't the tectonic plates move around? In what way does that video prove if the earth grows or not? Draw a big circle on the ground, lay a piece of paper in the middle. The circle is the earth and the paper is land, empty space is water. Rip the paper into 4 pieces and imagine that the upper piece floated to the north, the left piece to the west, the right piece to the east and the lower piece to the south. There, I just showed you a possibility of what could've happend on this earth millions of years ago. Did I just prove that tectonic plates move around? No. Did I just disprove that the earth grew? No. Does that movie prove that tectonic plates don't exist? No. Does that movie prove that the the earth grew? No.
Now try a second thing. Take an elastic ring and glue those 4 pieces to the top, bottom, left and right sides of the elastic ring so that they fit perfectly together. Now, pull hard enough to make the ring larger, simulating a 'growing' earth. Again the 4 pieces are torn apart, and when you let go of the ring, they will fit perfectly together again.Did I just prove that tectonic plates move around? No. Did I just disprove that the earth grew? No. Does that movie prove that tectonic plates don't exist? No. Does that movie prove that the the earth grew? No.
Conclusion: Stop posting YouTube video's. All video's on it are about as subjective as the bible itself is. Just because it is written on a piece of paper (or posted on the internet as a video for that matter) doesn't have to mean that it speaks the truth of what happend 6000 years ago. Now don't get me wrong, it doesn't disprove that it didn't happen 6000 years ago. But don't take whatever is written that seriously if you don't have proper proof for it. Hell I could take a piece of paper, write as header: Bible, v2.0. Write as text: I am awesome. And end the piece of paper with: Written by God. Does this prove that God is awesome? No. Does this disaprove that God is awesome. No.
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You, just like me were born here on Earth and have had our thoughts influenced by our environment. Everything around us appears to have a beginning and an end from what we see.
when you said this
Edit--- so continents that magically fit perfectly together at all the seems when the earth is shrunken is merely a huge cowinkydink and shouldn't be given a 2nd thought, and we should continue to believe the plates do shift in the manner were taught, even tho the earth growing/shrinking seems to be the more logical explanation?
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maybe you were thinking from the perspective that everything has a start and finish while asking "who made the creator of God?".... I was just asking why dont you think this way about time =] ?
Edit--- so continents that magically fit perfectly together at all the seems when the earth is shrunken is merely a huge cowinkydink and shouldn't be given a 2nd thought, and we should continue to believe the plates do shift in the manner were taught, even tho the earth growing/shrinking seems to be the more logical explanation?
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Read my post again. I said: If the universe can't be infinite. How come God can be infinite? That would have to mean that God is an infintly old creature of great power. Fine by me, but that proves that 'something' in this universe CAN be infinite. But if God can be infinite, why can't time be infinite as well?
Ever played a puzzle? The pieces fit together as well. And puzzles don't grow either. But you can still rip the puzzle apart and realign the pieces in the same amount of space.