Sims 2.....18+? *sighs*

[Kurt`]

he believes that it is pedophile paradise

Hahahaha, best part of the game tbh. You can be a voyeur from the comfort of your own computer chair.

Besides, why settle for Barbie and Ken when nude skins are available?

But seriously, if parents don't want their kids playing "bad games", check the ESRB rating before buying it (for sexuality/suggestive content) and know what your kids are playing.

 

[Half-Unit]

also, i think a lot of people are confusing intelligence with world experiance. how many of you so called "intelligent teens" can claim to have as much experiance in life as your parents?

Actually, I have an INFINITE amount of experience on my parents in the field of video games, thank you very much. They may be far more experienced in the field of life, but games, never. A lot of parents simply don't understand that certain facets of games are out of the game maker's control. Things like mods, custom models, all the things that we gamers simply know by playing day after day. A parent can't accurately judge a games ability to corrupt a child's mind if they don't know the nature of that game's "violence" or "nudity". SA deserves to be 18+, The Sims 2? Not a chance.

Oh yeah, I'm 18+ years of age, so that's not the reason this bugs me.

 

[Galst Vic]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH ^_^ ^^^

 

[Nuttzy]

my argument is this, violent games are harmless. violent KIDS are dangerous.

pixels cant create violence, they may give a kid ideas but in general if the kid was messed up enough to think he could hurt or kill anyone and get away with it he probabaly wouldve done it regardless,

ive been playing games nearly all 22 years of my life, and ive never shot anyone ...on purpose. :devgrin:

my parents were raised on those old school cowboy and indian movies, ALL those movies were about was shooting and killing people, and you didnt see this same **** back then >_>.

also.

gir, regardless of how right you think jack thompson is, if a kid is too stupid to realize the difference between videogames and reality, his parents shouldve known better than to buy him the game in the first place. or rather they shouldve done something about it sooner >_> (special education anyone?). some of the blame does fall on them whether they want to admit it or not.

 

[Jesus]

i totally agree nuttzy, and i wasnt saying he is right, im saying that in general, a lot of games need higher ratings.

 

[Chakra-X]

For some reason, kids can be easily influenced. They could ban all the video games in the world and their will still be music videos, web sites, tv. shows, cultural trends, peer influence, and enviormental influence. Probably some time in th past I was influenced by SOMETHING, but I wasn't stupid enough to not understand what negative effects it would have on me.

I remeber seeing a movie rating poster that describe the ratings, i think PG-13 was "know your kids", which is right. The parents need to know what their kids can see/do without them wanting to try it themselves. One thing that I kinda agree with Gir, is that kids, teenager or child, can sometimes get too punkass and need to calm down when they get too cokcy, in general.

I really can't think of a sure-fire way to stop violence in juveniles (including my own generation), but making unecessary changes to the Sims 2, of all things, is not going to aid this issue.

 

[-JLN-]

i totally agree nuttzy, and i wasnt saying he is right, im saying that in general, a lot of games need higher ratings.

But not ratings so high they get taken off the shelves. That's the main problem here. All it would take is for retailers to willingly stock AO rated games, and I'd have no problem with this. I mean, putting 18 rated games on the shelves in the UK hasn't done any harm.

 

[Iyce Da Kidd]

They shouldn't rate a game on point of modification because all PC games can be modified to have nude skins (well those that's heavily on 3D and polygonal structures.) Hell, even Unreal can have a custom nude model ingame. The developers at maxis did not implement this into the game, and the blur is a mear code. If it is tampered with, it's not the company's fault, and I'm almost sure Maxis didn't want people to make nude skins. The code to remove the censor, is a code linked to the programming. It wasn't an actual code, but the programing size is "8" and it can be edited ingame, such as stretch-sim, and moveobjects cheat. Their all linked to the programming script. The people who download em anyways are the ones who can't get any gf's, so they look at 3D characters for affection(sp?). XD

and ps (i still don't think gta shouldve been bumped to 18+ because on the console games, you can't access the files without a gameshark, therefore, means tampering with the systems manufacturing/coding.)

and this is comming from an 18+ year old, so don't gimme dat *you too young, so you're complaining blah blah*

I love you Lee!!! >;p~

 

[Hitokiri]

The HL2 engine is highly modifiable; I mean that's part of it's design, they wanted people to change it and have a whole mod community and etc. Under the same pretenses though, they could claim that Valve is "glee-fully supporting wanton pedophilia" or some crap if some dev team decided to make an explicit porno total conversion type mod or something. Which is just kinda BS. Something like that shouldn't affect the rating of a game. :/

 

[jp]

I can understand that of the sims though, but still, the only part that might be shocking is when the people there go multiply themselfs... and even then, it doesn't say "have SEX!" or something, it has some other word.

I think the parents too have something to say about what the kids can play or not, but if you are 16 here in the netherlands, and you buy a game that is rated for 18 years and older, they won't ask if you are old enough, heck, I was 14 and I bought a game for 18 years and older, some FPS shooter, and the guy who sold the games didn't mind.

Perhaps that its more strict in the USA, still I don't see the big deal here anyways, I know that if people can't buy a game, for whatever reasons, they still will get the game, by lending it from a friend who is older and has it, you name it...


btw, Who wants to play sims 2 anyways? o_o, ESF is much more fun!

 

[SupaFighta]

I play The Sims 2...

Actually there are countries which are much stricter than the USA. Unfortunately if they make every game (exaggeration) AO then there is a slim chance that you will find those games on store shelves. I know there are tons of AO games out there, just that in all my years of playing games; I have never seen them on store shelves.

The stores I go to here in the US do not care either even though they are being more pressured this time around.

Also, Jack Thompson is trying to change the ESRB rating system completely so you never know; he might up the age for buying mature games. Like what they did with the legal drinking age in the US; first it was 16, then it was 18, now it is 21.

 

[Adaptus]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry about this.

Attacking The Sims 2?

What's next, attack sports because they teach kids to run fast, you know, just like criminals do after they commit a crime?

Ridiculous.

 

[SupaFighta]

If anyone remembers NBA Balla's... They attacked that game because you could buy friends which most of them were girls.

Edit
I am trying to look up a list of games Jack Thompson has gone after. The Grand Theft Auto series was his biggest target for a long time. I have no idea why he would attack The Sims 2.

 

[sub]

Probably because the Sims 2 was one of the biggest sellers of last year.

 

[-JLN-]

I have no idea why he would attack The Sims 2.

I think it can be summed up in one phrase;
"Give em an inch and they'll take a mile"

 

[DaRkOwNs]

that once sentance just proved your wrong.

also, i think a lot of people are confusing intelligence with world experiance. how many of you so called "intelligent teens" can claim to have as much experiance in life as your parents? at the end of the day, they ARE just trying to protect you.

and as i said, for the most part your just whining because your not old enough to buy a game. deal with it.

opti, your right i didnt read the artical. i was just responding to what ive read here.

i dont see how hes wrong in this sense, sure i know people whos parents shouldnt be even related to them theyre so smart, they have him beat in experience only which happens alot. but that is a waste of intelligence; not having enough experience to apply it to

 

[Kaination]

kids these days are too violent and bad mouthed for their own good. its about time someone decided to shape them up.

Quoted for the truth.

In 8th grade (last year) some punk ass first grader was starting a fight with me, cussing at me and what not. So I tell my friend to hold my backpack, and I was telling my friend (loud enough so the little kid can hear), "Dude, I'm going to stab this mother ****er with a knife."

Sure enough, the kid started backing away, and I think that taught him something.

Anyways, more on topic: Yeah, banning the Sims is one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. I can understand GTA San Andreas, because of Hookers, and all that ****. But FFS, The Sims?! Some people are just beyond stupid.

 

[SaiyanPrideXIX]

I tried to buy San Andreas today. It is gone, everywhere (I live in Boston). I found a used copy--the last--at my local EB. But before this, I went to 12 stores in four nearby towns and cities and no place had it anymore...not even game exclusive stores. I'm outraged.

More to the point: Axman, I think you misunderstand Mr. Thompson's motivations. It is really simple--there is a fat paycheck in it for him if he manages to prove the ESRB too biased to be in charge of the ratings; because then the fed law pigs make a new federally regulated system and then get to control the previously unregulated game industry. Everyone of the law pigs are happy; no more 'evil' games come out...the 'evil' developers go out of business...and the federal government gets to lay crazy fines and laws down and get a slice of the third most profitable consumer market on the planet. it is an attempt at monopolizing control of the cash cow, nothing more.

Games with guns have existed for 20 god damn years. Dungeons and Dragons for longer. No one in England shot up their school...no one in Canada laid pipe bombs in their cafeteria...so what's different?

We live in a ****ed up country. Axman, correct me if I'm wrong, but judging from your accent you live in England somewhere--doesn't that sort of imply (not meaning to sound rude) that you really aren't getting why we 18+ americans are not happy about this?

You are neglecting the facts here, Gir. This Thompson prick is making obviously false allegations toward the game developers, saying that they intentionally have 'hidden' these pornographic things in there.

He says right in the article, "anyone can download a simple file and remove the blurs, revealing [detailed genitalia description here]." He doesn't even know what a god damn MOD is...nevermind the fact that it is not the designers' responsibility. He alleges that EA intentionally 'hid' nudity so their game would get a lower rating, with the intent to literally entertain pedophiles as part of their eventual goal. He alleged that GTA: SA also 'hid' their sex scene from the ESRB.

It's ****ing ridiculous. I'm sure the **** is looking on google for "world of warcraft+nude code" right now.

Either way there is no way this is right. Taking the games off the shelves is ridiculous. The only way kids get these games in the first place is because they piss and whine and their idiot douchebag mothers buy whatever the brat shoves at her in order to shut him up and save herself embarassment and/or a beating from an annoyed husband.

THE RESPONSIBILITY IS ON THE PARENTS. They need to ****ing pay attention to what they're buying, end of story. Do movie companies have their movie not shown in theaters because there's a blurred sex scene that might be uncensored on the director's cut? No. You know why? Because it's YOUR OWN FAULT YOUR BRAT KID SAW IT, SINCE YOU WOULD'VE HAD TO TAKE HIM TO SEE IT/BUY THE DVD.

All this aside Gir, you fail to see the point--the man is trying to BAN The frigging Sims, possibly one of the only harmless games in the last ten years, because he claims they INTENTIONALLY BUILT IT WITH THIS 'HIDDEN FEATURE' SPECIFICALLY TO ENTERTAIN PEDOPHILES. Come on man...anyone can see that for the ridiculousness that it truly is! He even said that the Sims is "more graphic then Grand Theft Auto by far." It's ri-god-damn-diculous!

The guy is a complete ******* watchdogging for Lieberman's ****ing people, that's all. He is on the lookout to find whatever bull**** he can, and use it to pull the damn wool over White Middle Class American Parent's eyes. They are ignorant and will buy whatever he says, and once he's got them on his side, it's all leverage.

After all...I've been playing video games all day every day for most of my life, since 1989. You think my mother could name one game I played...? She doesn't even know what a Playstation 2 looks like. Most american parents are clueless--that's why they have spoiled little whiny ****head kids who should be deemed KOS by Congress. But they turn on their ****ing TV, and there's a guy in a suit with an official looking title under his name on the ****ing news, and he says "The Sims 2 was built to entertain pedophiles!" and they eat it up like that fat disgusting media hogs they are.

It's federal manipulation at its finest. They struck us with the GTA thing and now the ****er smells blood, he's in a frenzy. If Thompson can prove the ESRB--a game industry-appointed ratings committee--incompetent or horrifically biased...then they get to seize it. THAT is his goal...not 'protecting' us.

Protect me from a video game. ****ing A. Don't you live near London, somewhere, Axman? You'd think someone who's subway just exploded would see this game scenario for the unnecessary crock of american lamery that it is. Protect us from the big bad video games...they make us crazy in the head!

I wonder what video game those guys who blew up that subway learned how to make bombs from?

Like I said in the GTA thread...Thompson is going to just jump from target to target now. This ****ing clown doesn't know **** from diamonds when it comes to games. Also, many of the people in this thread make a good point when saying that, when it comes to video games, they are vastly more experienced. I mean, Gir, you are talking about parental 'age' and 'experience' but the fact is most parents have never even looked at the screen while their kids are playing a damn game. If you're talking about 'life experience' that's fine...btu the world changes, and let me just tell you, speaking as an adult...neither of my parents could stay afloat in today's teenager's world, if they only applied what they learned in the seventies to nowadays.

I still believe firmly and truly that this responsibility should fall on the parents, and only the parents. We watch movies with rape, drugs, murder, horrific amounts of violence, etc...nobody forces them to not put their movie off the shelves because Charlize Theron takes a 3 minute shower in the last hour.

I've said it a million damn times: when I was a kid I watched Optimus Prime and his giant ****ing black rifle of death lay out decepticon after decepticon; I watched GI Joe lighting up battlefield after battlefield; I watched Liono carve some mutant ass with the Sword of Omen. Did I think all those things were cool? Hell yeah I did. But I don't want to go out and do them to people. I even re-enacted it all with my friends--but I was a damn kid, and never once did the thought cross my mind to go get a real gun and start shooting trucks and cars, or to go hammer on things with a sword.

My point of view is simple: your kid hands you a game and you look on that back and you see a car full of black dudes shooting missile launchers at police, you ought to have a damn clue not to let them have it.

I agree that modern kids and teens are total asshats, and that most of them deserve a long overdue beating or two to put them back in the spot on the food chain where they are in reality as opposed to in their egotistical little halfway developed minds. But video games statistically do not breed killers, rapists, or psychopaths; on the contrary, people who play video games have been statistically proven to be more productive in clerical office environment type workplaces, and are statistically speaking 'sharper' then the average tool in a shed; able to react much more quickly to orders or requests, and able to handle multitudes of tasks effectively, when compared with those who have not ever played video games. We are also not fat lazy layabouts like most people care; something like 80% of all gamers are reported to have multiple extensive hobbies (bands, after school programs, creative interest stuff, computer knowledge, etc).

Seriously. Look it up and don't listen to people like Thompson. You'll be surprised and fascinated by the conflicting results when compared with political statistics on the stuff versus university stuff.

What's he protecting us from, exactly? Productivity? Fun? Intellectual stimulation? Oh right, a black guy shooting police on a TV screen that could turn us all into mass murderers. I mean, come on man.

Either way. Nobody who was alive before Nintendo happened has any clue what this thing we all share a love for is really all about. I wish they'd all just stay out of it. But they aren't. We need to make our voices heard, somehow. We need to lobby and let people know what WE, the gamers, think. No politician is going to stand up for us, no politician is going to stand up and say "I play games and love every minute of it, it's great entertainment." We have to do it ourselves.

Seriously. We need a voice, before we get castrated without even making a protest....

 

[Optimus Prime]

Pride, from what I've read/come to understand, SA has been pulled off of all retail shelves, while R* removes the 'Hot Coffee' code and redistributes the game.

But as for his claims about 'The Sims', I really hope this goes to court. My reason being, so that the judge can laugh at him, and throw his case in the garbage where it belongs.

 

[SA_Gohan]

But as for his claims about 'The Sims', I really hope this goes to court. My reason being, so that the judge can laugh at him, and throw his case in the garbage where it belongs.

No matter how well Maxis could defend themselves I can't help thinking that all Thompson has to do is point to the blatant nudity and implied sex, tame as they are, to jump up the Sims' rating ><;