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[hleV]

So you post that when you fail.

 

[Damaera]

I actually post that when I don't acknowledge your posts and laugh when you go against your own beliefs and opinions just to try and start shit with me.

 

[Grega]

No one mentioned blocking Steam ID. And 1.3 is already available.

The Open Beta is not 1.3 though. It is a beta bug test build OF 1.3

Such confusions is why we decided to rename it to "Final"

But in the end labeling it as 1.3 is still correct in a way. You could also call it ESF 1.0 (without the beta as the last "1.0" was named "Beta 1.0")

 

[hleV]

So when I, back in the day, told that Final WAS 1.3 and Dam said it wasn't, you said I was wrong (yes, I'm pretty sure you were involved, Grega), by telling that you named "1.3 Open Beta" a "1.3" to avoid confussion.
Now when I, basing on what you said before, say that Final is not 1.3 but 1.3 Open Beta is, and Dam says the opposite, I'm wrong again.

Go to hell, Grega.

 

[Grega]

Yea we named it something else to avoid confusion. ESF 1.3 is a finished stable release. The Open Beta isnt that. What the Open Beta is, is a test build OF 1.3. Thats where the confusion part comes in. And thats why we call it ESF:Final now

 

[hleV]

Yea we named it something else to avoid confusion. ESF 1.3 is a finished stable release. The Open Beta isnt that. What the Open Beta is, is a test build OF 1.3. Thats where the confusion part comes in. And thats why we call it ESF:Final now

How does this excuse your bullshit?

 

[Kreptyne]

Need moar years. I actually enjoy others' impatience.

^ This

 

[Ryokeen]

Ok just to say something..what is harder to accomplish ? Waiting for 7 or more years...or actually developing a game for 7 or more years ? I mean sry but...you just have to wait, nothing wich cost you time or anything at all, while the Team has to spend their free time developing this game, doing research and whatnot

 

[Grega]

How does this excuse your bullshit?

What do you mean?

I said "in a way" Meaning its technically wrong, but that doesnt make the Open Beta become 1.3.

By numbers the correct one is ESF v1.0 By the name. The correct one is ESF:Final

 

[Flink_Power]

Ok just to say something..what is harder to accomplish ? Waiting for 7 or more years...or actually developing a game for 7 or more years ? I mean sry but...you just have to wait, nothing wich cost you time or anything at all, while the Team has to spend their free time developing this game, doing research and whatnot

Of course but i think team like working on ESF . Otherwise they will not doing it .

 

[hleV]

What do you mean?

First you say that ESF: Final is not ESF 1.3, but that ESF 1.3 Open Beta is ESF 1.3 to avoid confussion.
Now you say that ESF 1.3 Open Beta is not ESF 1.3, but that ESF: Final is ESF 1.3. "In a way".

You're contradicting yourself and making me look wrong when I'm not.

 

[Grega]

First you say that ESF: Final is not ESF 1.3, but that ESF 1.3 Open Beta is ESF 1.3 to avoid confussion.
Now you say that ESF 1.3 Open Beta is not ESF 1.3, but that ESF: Final is ESF 1.3. "In a way".

You're contradicting yourself and making me look wrong when I'm not.

The Open Beta is not 1.3 Hence the Open Beta. The Final is the finished product.

Is it really that confusing to grasp that. The Open Beta is not 1.3 it is a part of 1.3

We call it Final. Version number is 1.0 (non beta). The reason why i said back then not to call it 1.3 is because people were saying the Open Beta is 1.3 which is the reason why we went with the name change.

But back then the Open Beta was still getting released, hence why it needed to be separated more clearly. Not that it helped much. But with no more Open Betas being released we dont need such strict separations.

Also as far as i can remember i never said the Open Beta is 1.3, i said you can consider it 1.3 because we changed the name for the Final. Does that make it 1.3 not really. Its still just an Open Beta of the version 1.3, that got updated to 1.0 and is being called Final.

 

[hleV]

The Open Beta is not 1.3 Hence the Open Beta. The Final is the finished product.

Yes.

Is it really that confusing to grasp that.

What does that have to do with anything? I wasn't disagreeing with you or anything, I said that you're contradicting yourself.

The Open Beta is not 1.3 it is a part of 1.3

Yes. That's what I said like a few years ago. But then you came and told that "we now officially call 1.3 Open Beta '1.3' to avoid confussion" or something like that.

I really don't need history lessons about why was it named that and that, I'm just saying that you agreed with Damaera about ESF: Final NOT being ESF 1.3 back then and now you're "in a way" agreeing with Damaera that ESF: Final IS ESF 1.3.

 

[Grega]

Well as far as the devs go we simply call it the Final or the Inteam. No version numbers or anything.

As far as release numbers go it could be called beta 1.3 or version 1.0

If that makes any sense.

 

[hleV]

Again, how does this excuse your bullshit? Or are you still not getting my point despite my several attempts to explain it to you?

This is kind of a useless debate but I'll go till the end.

 

[Grega]

Again, how does this excuse your bullshit? Or are you still not getting my point despite my several attempts to explain it to you?

This is kind of a useless debate but I'll go till the end.

But back then the Open Beta was still getting released, hence why it needed to be separated more clearly. Not that it helped much. But with no more Open Betas being released we dont need such strict separations.

A stricter separation due to the Open Betas still being released at the time to avoid confusion.

 

[hleV]

**** it, here's the story to make things clear:

A few years ago:

• 
  I and Damaera were arguing whether ESF 1.3 is ESF 1.3 Open Beta or ESF: Final.
• I was telling him that ESF 1.3 was not released yet and that ESF 1.3 Open Beta was just a beta of ESF 1.3.
• Damaera was telling that ESF 1.3 is already released, having in mind ESF 1.3 Open Beta.
• You went on and said that the team decided to treat ESF 1.3 as ESF 1.3 Open Beta to avoid confussion.

Now:

• Damaera talks about ESF 1.3 as if it's the version that has yet to be released, aka ESF: Final. Apparently he doesn't think of it as a mistake since he confirmed that he really meant to say ESF 1.3 and not ESF: Final (since apparently according to him it's the same thing).
• I, remembering how you told that "ESF 1.3 = ESF 1.3 Open Beta" when it comes to naming scheme, went on and disagreed with Damaera.
• You now contradict yourself by agreeing that "in a way" ESF: Final can be called ESF 1.3. I wouldn't have a problem with that since you specified "in a way", but if you weren't disagreeing with me and thus agreeing with Damaera, then what was the point of you quoting my "1.3 is already available" and replying "The Open Beta is not 1.3 though. It is a beta bug test build OF 1.3" as if you were disagreeing?

 

[Damaera]

I think it's safe to say that hleV's jimmies are rustled.

 

[Baaja]

Damaera is laughing his ass off the more you are trying to explain yourself hlev, and you are taking it out on Grega. But I feel you man, I've read the thread! Grega, stop explaining things!

 

[hleV]

Damaera is laughing his ass off the more you are trying to explain yourself hlev, and you are taking it out on Grega. But I feel you man, I've read the thread! Grega, stop explaining things!

It has nothing to do with Dam, so I don't see why would he be laughing (though I don't see why would he be doing many things xD), I was arguing with Grega since years ago he said that OB = 1.3 and now he says otherwise. In any case we switched to PMs.