MMA Fighter No Match for Boxer?

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CAMP VERDE, Ariz. -- Tommy "the Duke" Morrison says an MMA fighter is no match for a trained boxer.

And he plans prove it Saturday night in a cage outside a casino in northern Arizona.

Morrison, the former world heavyweight champion who tested positive for HIV 11 years ago, will make his mixed-martial arts debut in an unsanctioned bout at Cliff Castle Casino against John Stover, a 325-pounder who outweighs Morrison by more than 100 pounds.

"I'm just going to walk out and hit him on the chin," Morrison said at a news conference Thursday night. "I'm concerned about killing someone. I'm not kidding.

"We're trained to hit a moving target. These guys run in with their chin hanging out."

The brash-talking Morrison remains a boxer at heart, and he hopes for another shot at the heavyweight title. But for now -- and for an undisclosed sum -- he's venturing into the wild world of MMA.

Morrison, who said he weighs about 213 pounds, said he has done little MMA training, although he expressed concern about wearing four-ounce fingerless gloves.

"I'm a little nervous about that -- not for myself but for the other guy," Morrison said. "To me, it just seems like someone signing up for assassination class. He must be out of his mind."

Stover did not attend the news conference, and there were questions about whether he would show up for the fight, which will be held about 90 miles north of Phoenix.

"I'm sure he's on his way," promoter Peter McKinn said. "If it was me, I wouldn't be on my way."

Morrison's MMA venture is the latest chapter in the colorful life of the man who beat George Foreman, stopped Razor Ruddock and fought Lennox Lewis. Morrison seemed on his way to a big-money showdown with then-champion Mike Tyson when he tested positive for HIV before a 1996 tuneup bout in Las Vegas.

The 38-year-old Morrison has been attempting a comeback after an 11-year retirement following the discovery that he was HIV positive. Morrison claims he has taken several HIV tests during his comeback bid and all have been negative.

"They've been telling me I've been dying for 11 years," said Morrison, who became emotional as he discussed the subject.

McKinn said Morrison would not have to take a blood test for the MMA fight. The bout is being held on the Yavapai-Apache Nation, outside's the state boxing commission's jurisdiction.

The fight is not part of Morrison's three-year contract with Top Rank. McKinn said he was trying to arrange a Top Rank-sponsored boxing match for Morrison at Cliff Castle June 29.

"I'm a boxer," Morrison said.

Morrison returned to the boxing ring earlier this year in West Virginia, knocking out John Castle in the second round.

MMA legend Dan "the Beast" Severn (81-15-7) will fight Victor Vincelette (2-2) in the main event Saturday night. Severn, who turns 50 next year, wrestled at Arizona State from 1976-80 and served as a coach there until 1986.
Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2897117&campaign=rss&source=BOXINGHeadlines

For those who don't know who Tommy Morrison is, he's the guy that Rocky Balboa trains and fights in Rocky V.
 
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If boxing is the only thing he's gonna bring to the table in a MMA match, he's done. MMA Fighter will most likely be the winner.

Im interested in seeing this one.
 
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Look up this John Stover guy on Sherdog Fight Finder and you'll see he has no pro fights. So a guy with no official pro MMA fights is fighting a boxer who fought guys like George Foreman, nice. This fight proves nothing. A top level MMAist would beat a top level boxer 98% of the time. Fact.
 

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Look up this John Stover guy on Sherdog Fight Finder and you'll see he has no pro fights. So a guy with no official pro MMA fights is fighting a boxer who fought guys like George Foreman, nice. This fight proves nothing. A top level MMAist would beat a top level boxer 98% of the time. Fact.
That's not a fact. Anything can happen in a match, regardless of both fighter's background and/or fighting style.

I've been waiting a while for a match between a well-known boxer and MMA fighter, though usually the MMA fighter isn't really a big name in the sport. Mike Tyson was supposed to fight someone from the K-1 territory but he was arrested before that was set into motion. Then before the Mayweather-De La Hoya match, Dana White made a bet with Mayweather Jr. that if he won, he would set up a match with Sean Sherk, but I haven't heard anything further than that.
 
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Tyson was supposed to fight 400 pound Bob Sapp in a kickboxing bout in K-1, Bob Sapp really has no skill besides being big. Sapp did have two wins over Ernesto Hoost but Hoost fought him like a retard. You're right anything can happen, but once it hit the ground the boxer would be lost. Floyd would never step in with Sherk and I personally hate Sherk so I'm not just being some fanboy, but Floyd would lose and it would be quick.
 
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gonna give this one to morrison.

and, i think in most MMA situations, a boxer would win too. sure the other guy might get a few lucky kicks in... but to what, a body which has been trained and refined to deal with hits to the body? yeah right. the boxer will walk all over them every time.
 
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gonna give this one to morrison.

and, i think in most MMA situations, a boxer would win too. sure the other guy might get a few lucky kicks in... but to what, a body which has been trained and refined to deal with hits to the body? yeah right. the boxer will walk all over them every time.
That would also explain why Ray Mercer, a former boxing champ didn't so so good in his K-1 run which was strictly kickboxing. You have to worry about more than kicks in an MMA match, most successfull MMA guys come from a grappling backrounds like wrestling, judo, or jiu jitsu. They better worry about being put on there back more than kicks, and if they did decide to use kicks they wouldn't be "lucky".

A boxer is trained to take hits and a MMAist isn't? Don't really understand what you're trying to say here, I thought you were trained to defend hits in all combat sports.
 
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boxers are scary, they don't hit as hard as martial artist and they don't kick but their hands are very dangerouse. A good martial arts kick is going to break bones and put someone on their back no matter how tough they are. Plus there are multiple parts on your body that no amount of training can toughen up, like the solar plexus. I've had people go down with hits to the solar plexus so light i didn't even realize the hit had landed. what makes you think martial artist don't train to take hits anyways?

Anyway when it comes down to boxing VS MMA i think its really anyones fight, although in this case the MMA sounds underqualified for the fight.
 
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They don't hit as hard as martial artists? Statistics, please.
 
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i'm not saying boxers don't hit hard, i'm just saying they generally don't train for one super hard punch as martial artist do, boxers throw lots of cominations(which is in my opinion better).

thats just my experience and what my martial arts trainer says(who happens to be a boxing coach also), i train martial arts in a gym with mukltiple boxing coaches also.
 
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Last show I saw on the strengths and weakness of martial artists on the national geographic channel, the boxer easily beat everyone else in the punching strength department.
 
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hmm interesting, i'd be willing to believe that sience all they do is punch, they probably should be pretty good at it :). I don't really watch many matches on TV so all i can go on is personal experience.
 
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chances are the boxer would win on speed of punches combined with strength too.
 
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boxers do hit harder and are probably faster in most cases, but the striking game completely changes when you have to worry about takedowns and kicks. there's many examples of this and ive seen it first hand having trained with many boxers.
 

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i'm not saying boxers don't hit hard, i'm just saying they generally don't train for one super hard punch as martial artist do, boxers throw lots of cominations(which is in my opinion better).

thats just my experience and what my martial arts trainer says(who happens to be a boxing coach also), i train martial arts in a gym with mukltiple boxing coaches also.
Martial Artists don't train for one super hard punch or kick either. Martial Artists focus on a wide range of attacks rather than focusing on one specific attack. This is so they can easily adapt to different situations. Boxers on the other hand are limited to attacking with their hands, thus most if not all strength training is to develop punching power.

Back during the golden age of boxing, a lot of boxers developed their own punches. Floyd Patterson developed the leaping left hook/gazelle punch, Muhammad Ali developed the anchor punch, Kid McCoy developed (supposedly) the corkscrew punch, etcetera.

Besides, we're not talking about the Martial Arts, we're talking about MMA.
 
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boxers do hit harder and are probably faster in most cases, but the striking game completely changes when you have to worry about takedowns and kicks. there's many examples of this and ive seen it first hand having trained with many boxers.

and i know from personal experiance, that trying to get someone into a grapple, while they are trying to punch you in the jaw, isn't exactly a smart thing to do. no matter where you try to grab someone, if they are throwing punches at you, you've just left yourself open for all kinds of pain.
 
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you obviously have to set it up, have you seen a real MMA match? not many world class boxers have stepped into the MMA arena yet, but many worldclass kickboxers have and most of them have had close to no success. people like ramon dekker who people consider one of the greatest of all time lost, semmy schilt who is a 4 time k1 grand prix champion lost to all top level talent, and mirko crocop who many considered the kickboxer with the most success in MMA recently got knocked out by someone who is known for grappling. it's a different game when you dont have to worry about punches only.
 
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jesus ****ing christ drop the martial arts bull****.

i would personally be afraid of his blood getting in my eyes or my mouth and getting aids or something
 
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Isn't boxing technically...A martial art?

And if this guy has HIV and the two start bleeding a bunch in the ring...Ain't that a bit dangerous?
 
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Isn't boxing technically...A martial art?

And if this guy has HIV and the two start bleeding a bunch in the ring...Ain't that a bit dangerous?
they were wrong the first time they gave him the test. a lot of people say hes lying but he really cant be since the athletic commissions have allowed him to fight since that time.
 

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