Lesbian Koalas are Here and Queer. Get used to it.

[Devion]

I mainly agree with Mog. Simply because I came to the conclusion b4 i read this article...

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet5.html

(there are clickies at the bottom for more answers)

Made some valid points and confirmed my own questions. Im not closed minded at all, I mainly go with my gut feeling. So if there is hard hard evidence that I as a person have NO control over MY LIFE...then I might as well end it. I do NOT like the idea that I can't make my own choices on who I want to be with or what I wish to do with my life. That's like saying destiny rules all and there's nothing you can do about it! A mythical force out there has already set your path blah blah blah.

Look I know there's a difference between a murderer and a homosexual but there was a MUCH bigger picture to what Mog was saying than you guys realize...Try and look at the bigger picture rather than focus on a piece.

I still agree with Mog in that if being homosexual was already implied in your genes, then being addicted to drugs, porn, food, and any other behavior we have now has already been set. Funny part is, I chose NOT to be ***. Yes, there was a point in my life where I actually thought about my sexuality and I chose to be hetero. Not because the idea of being *** sickens me now, but boobies are much more fun and hawt! :laff: Just ****ing look at us. There is a MALE and a FEMALE FOR A REASON! Not for just some variety because that's basically what Im getting here unless im WAAY off base...

And think about this question. What about child molesters? They believe in having sex with lil boys is "natural" because they are in "love"... There's an ACUTAL organization out there trying to make it LEGAL! (South Park made an episode of this) Born with it or just got ****ed up at a young age?

FYI, I have nothing against *** people, never have and never will. It's just a behavior I disagree with.

On Topic: I see this nothing more than a behavior. Scientists didn't say this is how the females koalas are and forever gonna be, they just observed in this setting, they chose to be with a female. This is more of a WIP so everything we're saying is only speculation therefore cannot be interpreted as these creatures are born homosexual.

And why the hell do you think you are attracted to boobies? *Input logic*

There is only one reason why there are men and women. The men have XY chromosomes and female XX chromosomes.

 

[Zeonix]

Speaking from a purely procreational standpoint, men and women are made for each other. That much is true. However, a lot of you are completely forgetting about the emotional aspects of choosing a partner. Homosexuals, like heterosexuals, are looking for that special someone. It just so happens that that special someone is of the same gender. Who knows men better than men? The same goes for women. To say that genetics are the only thing that determines one's sexuality is an understatement, because it just isn't the case. However, people do have a certain predisposition to a certain sexuality. Sometimes all it takes is a single event to initiate that "transformation".

Now, I'm not crazy about the lightsaber action, but as long as no one is getting hurt, I don't care. Koala and koala action is as natural as can be. If animals can be homosexual and it isn't "wrong" for them to be so, then why should it be wrong for humans who, lest we forget, are animals as well?

Child molestation isn't natural by any means. To compare that to homosexuality is just stupid.

 

[NeLo9]

You're right, child molestations isn't natural by what we call the "norm" (debatable). What you and society thinks is wrong isn't wrong to them much as to homosexuality. They believe in a relationship between a man and a boy. Im not defending the act, im just challenging you.

Yes we are what we have classified ourselves to be animals, but what seperates us between them is our rationality to think. We decide based on our own rational thought process of what is to be accepted. Animals dont. Simple as that. I don't think we should have an "excuse" as of well animals do it so we are allowed. VURY lame. Animals also eat their young, so can I eat my own children if i decide I didn't want it or decided I had too many? Just stuff to think about. As I said I do not have a problem with and homosexuality at all, I'm just challenging you.

 

[Smith]

You're right, child molestations isn't natural by what we call the "norm" (debatable). What you and society thinks is wrong isn't wrong to them much as to homosexuality. They believe in a relationship between a man and a boy. Im not defending the act, im just challenging you.

Yes we are what we have classified ourselves to be animals, but what seperates us between them is our rationality to think. We decide based on our own rational thought process of what is to be accepted. Animals dont. Simple as that. I don't think we should have an "excuse" as of well animals do it so we are allowed. VURY lame. Animals also eat their young, so can I eat my own children if i decide I didn't want it or decided I had too many? Just stuff to think about. As I said I do not have a problem with and homosexuality at all, I'm just challenging you.

So would you rather have all homosexuals just have sex with the opposite gender because they can choose to? From what I understand, that'd be like telling you have sex with another man (or woman, if you're a woman). Does that sound appealing to you? Didn't think so. That's how they feel.

Child molestation isn't natural by any means. It isn't wrong by the "norm", it's wrong because it's just wrong. It's an adult having sex with a preadolescent child, a sexually immature child. You have no merit to compare homosexuality between two consenting adults to an adult forcing a child to have sex.

 

[Mog]

Hmm, so this thread is still going... even after I purposely ignored for a few days...

@Devion
1- Hard to ignore, because things were stated as proven facts, even though they were not, and no-one else said anything about it.
That means people either didn't mind, or didn't know and were therefore going to be mislead.
2- Nope. Read your own post again, you were saying some conservative countries still debate the existence of the *** gene?
Then you implied that everywhere else believes it to be a proven fact that it exists.
3- ...
4- OK, spent several hours on google, trying to read up on both sides. I'm now more certain that it doesn't exist in the way many people say it does.
5- OK. I take most of that one back, it was badly worded.

http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet5.html

(there are clickies at the bottom for more answers)

Good link, that explains quite a lot... and your post was helpful too.

Ok, I found quite a few lesbian sites (here's a good example) that had articles saying the reason many lesbians were attracted to women was only because they felt they could talk easier to and be more open with other women then with men (duh!).
They said men were harder to open up to and didn't seem to listen, and it just felt more comfortable talking with other women.
Some said they didn't like sex, and preffered things like cuddling, so for them it seemed better to be lesbian in a relationship with no sex.

I know that's not every lesbian, but there were quite a few stories like that.

What I don't understand about homos is this:

If two men get on well together, care a lot about eachother, enjoy eachothers company, always have fun together.
They may even feel that the other man is good looking, well built, and has good dress sense.
But why do they need to have sex, marry eachother, etc... being good friends is exactly the same, just you didn't get curious(or drunk) and decide to get in bed with your friend.
You can be a straight guy and think another guy looks and dresses well... that doesn't mean you are ***!?

You hear about some homosexuals marrying because they love eachother, but say they don't have sexual relations, they just like being together, and enjoy the *** community...

I think most of being homosexual is down to things like that, then getting used to it.
And not really experiencing a hetero- relationship where you can get married, and have a normal family with your own kids, etc...

I take back the questions relating paedosexual relations... I didn't mean child molestering at all.
What I really meant was to say was ephebosexual relations, but the term paedofilia is commonly used for any age below adult.
Ephebosexuals are adults that are only sexually attracted to adolescents apparently, and the age of consent is as lower than 12yrs is some countries...

I just feel the traditional family is the more stable, and works better.
Homosexual relationships should not really be encouraged, in the same way that smoking shouldn't be encouraged. (is that a bad analogy again?)

Oh well, I've said more than enough... :smile:

 

[Smith]

What I don't understand about homos is this:

If two men get on well together, care a lot about eachother, enjoy eachothers company, always have fun together.
They may even feel that the other man is good looking, well built, and has good dress sense.

But why do they need to have sex, marry eachother, etc... being good friends is exactly the same, just you didn't get curious(or drunk) and decide to get in bed with your friend.
You can be a straight guy and think another guy looks and dresses well... that doesn't mean you are ***!?

Because they are homo (SAME) sexual (SEXUAL). They are attracted sexually to the same sex, just as you're attracted sexually to the opposite sex. They can still have non-sexual relations with the same gender, but when it comes to sex, what they want is the man-man or woman-woman, if they're male or female respectively. Every *** or lesbian I've asked says it's not a choice, it just happens, just like you don't have a choice in deciding whether you find boobs attractive, they just are.

 

[Optimus Prime]

You know that funny-pants-dance that happens when you look at a gorgeous woman? Homosexual men don't get that from women, they get it from other men. That is what makes them homosexuals.

Do you think you could wake up tomorrow, and get turned on by guys? I bet you're shaking your head in disgust at the thought.

Now tell me homosexuality is a choice.

 

[Zeonix]

What's horrible is some homosexual people try to live their entire lives as heterosexuals because they're so afraid of being persecuted or at the very least shunned by their family and everyone around them. I can't imagine trying to be *** just because everyone else is. The way I feel about lightsaber action is the way they feel about hetero intercourse.

 

[NeLo9]

You know that funny-pants-dance that happens when you look at a gorgeous woman? Homosexual men don't get that from women, they get it from other men. That is what makes them homosexuals.

Do you think you could wake up tomorrow, and get turned on by guys? I bet you're shaking your head in disgust at the thought.

Now tell me homosexuality is a choice.

* 82% of those currently lesbian and 66% of those currently *** said that they had been in love with someone of the opposite sex;
* 88% of lesbians and 73% of ***s had been sexually aroused by someone of the opposite sex;
* 67% of lesbians and 54% of ***s reported current sexual attraction to the opposite sex;
* 85% of lesbians and 54% of ***s, as adults, had sexual relations with someone of the opposite sex;
* 32% of ***s and 47% of lesbians had been heterosexually married; and
* 17% of ***s, 3% of heterosexual men, 10% of lesbians and 1% of heterosexual women reported sex with animals.

* Overall, 7.8% of women and 12% of men claimed to have been homosexually aroused at some point in their life. Yet 59% of the once homosexually aroused women and 51% of the once homosexually aroused men were currently heterosexual;
* 5.1% of the women and 9.4% of the men admitted to at least one homosexual partner. Of these, only 58% of the women and 61% of the men were currently ***;
* 4.1% of women and 5.8% of men reported that they had, at least once, been "in homosexual love." Yet only 66% of those who had fallen in love with a member of the same sex were currently ***; and
* almost a third of those who admitted to homosexual relations in adulthood were now heterosexual.

The more you know..

Btw Aggie, yes I agree with you on a lot of things you have said. It is terrible that people who wish to live a life that's rejected by society but guess what? It the exact same in the *** community. There is a % of *** people who WISH to be straight but Afraid that turning would then in turn be prosecuted or shunned by the very community that supported and protected them.

Lastly, Smith I don't know where you got that understanding but that was far from what I was getting at. The question was, is being *** a genetic thing. My answer was no and my reasoning was as such to back such an answer based on science and experience. Im not saying that every homosexual should have sex with the opposite sex. I never in my statement said that. As for the child molestation, I feel like there's an echo here. People who were brought up that way USE this excuse to do such acts that is UNACCEPTABLE in society and, i believe, is wrong in every way. But guess what? That's not how they "feel". They use the exact same excuse *** people do. They are just Sexually Attracted to Little Boys and they were born that way...

I think I've said enough...If you don't see it, then you don't see it and I leave it at "agree to disagree".

 

[Skiwan]

Nobody knows for sure if its nature or nurture, fact is though, most homosexuals are that way because that's what they're most comfortable with, and not only that, but physically, it is something out of their control.

Statistics are bull****, they can be easily engineered. After all, 75% statistics are bull****.

For animals I have no idea either, maybe its something to do with hormones/pheromones/other stuff, but it happens, there's no denying it. Nature? maybe, maybe its just a learned response. There's no point disputing which way, there are cases of each, both with equal relevancy.

 

[NeLo9]

ok ok ok lol 1 final question and then I'm done. What about transexuals?! YOu know, males with female parts. Im not talking full gender change, Im talking boobs with a penis? Does THAT make you ***? Cuz there are a LOT of heteros/homos who have sex with transies. (made that word up lol)

Btw David, yes statistics can be altered and yes they can be full of **** BUT statistics usually means they take a large portion of a certain type and base it on that group alone. It just shows that there are people out there who are *** BUT still find the opposite sex sexually attractive,etc. etc..

 

[Optimus Prime]

The Family Research Institute (FRI) is an American non-profit organization based in Colorado Springs, Colorado which states that it has "...one overriding mission: to generate empirical research on issues that threaten the traditional family, particularly homosexuality, AIDS, sexual social policy, and drug abuse." [1] FRI is part of a movement of small, often faith-based organizations (sometimes called the Christian Right) which seek to influence the political debate in the United States. They seek "...to restore a world where marriage is upheld and honored, where children are nurtured and protected, and where homosexuality is not taught and accepted, but instead is discouraged and rejected at every level."

WOW! Agenda driven research, draws conclusions that supports its agenda! HOW UNPRECEDENTED~

Nelo9, find me a non-biased study, and I might give it a second sober thought.

 

[Skiwan]

"Tell me about the lady boys"

A person does not reach a decision based on logical thought processes, it's about how they feel within themselves, if that's what feels right for them, and they really want to be that way, then that's what they'll be.

 

[frsrblch]

^ LMAO

The more you know..

Btw Aggie, yes I agree with you on a lot of things you have said. It is terrible that people who wish to live a life that's rejected by society but guess what? It the exact same in the *** community. There is a % of *** people who WISH to be straight but Afraid that turning would then in turn be prosecuted or shunned by the very community that supported and protected them.

I like how you have a study from 1983. Back when America was even more homophobic than it is now, how many *** people do you think are going to tell anyone doing any study that they are ***?

And people being afraid of persecution by the *** community? You're aware that the *** community is about as accepting as communities come - that's why *** people are part of them in the first place - and they'd probably be the last people to throw anyone out. So far, all you've shown is the existence of bisexuals, which brings me to another point. Where do you draw the line between straight, bisexual, and homosexual? There is no line in the sand, so to speak. If you're only a little attracted to guys, but still prefer women, are you bisexual? If you have forced yourself into living as a straight man, but are still attracted to other men, are you still ***? Maybe if you weren't so fixed up on arbitrary labels, you wouldn't have such a problem with it. (and by "you", I mean people who think homosexuality is wrong, I realize you're just arguing a point.)

I know *** people. University has shown me just how many people actually are homosexual. Seriously, I could name five off the top of my head. They're all great guys, just they're not turned on by women. I don't understand what is so hard to accept about it.

There is one thing I won't argue with. It is a choice. You can choose to accept who you are, or you can choose to live in a glass prison of your own making.

 

[NeLo9]

^ LMAO


I like how you have a study from 1983. Back when America was even more homophobic than it is now, how many *** people do you think are going to tell anyone doing any study that they are ***?

And people being afraid of persecution by the *** community? You're aware that the *** community is about as accepting as communities come - that's why *** people are part of them in the first place - and they'd probably be the last people to throw anyone out. So far, all you've shown is the existence of bisexuals, which brings me to another point. Where do you draw the line between straight, bisexual, and homosexual? There is no line in the sand, so to speak. If you're only a little attracted to guys, but still prefer women, are you bisexual? If you have forced yourself into living as a straight man, but are still attracted to other men, are you still ***? Maybe if you weren't so fixed up on arbitrary labels, you wouldn't have such a problem with it. (and by "you", I mean people who think homosexuality is wrong, I realize you're just arguing a point.)

I know *** people. University has shown me just how many people actually are homosexual. Seriously, I could name five off the top of my head. They're all great guys, just they're not turned on by women. I don't understand what is so hard to accept about it.

There is one thing I won't argue with. It is a choice. You can choose to accept who you are, or you can choose to live in a glass prison of your own making.

Ok just wanted to make clear and put an end to my statements. I repeat, I believe there is Nothing Wrong With Being ***. I work with 3 *** people and I talk to them like I talk to anybody else. I just don't see how it is Genetic. There hasn't been any proof of it from what I've seen/read. Oh and just becuz an article is at such an age doesn't mean that there aren't people still like that today...and I'm spent..

 

[Optimus Prime]

Ok just wanted to make clear and put an end to my statements. I repeat, I believe there is Nothing Wrong With Being ***. I work with 3 *** people and I talk to them like I talk to anybody else. I just don't see how it is Genetic. There hasn't been any proof of it from what I've seen/read. Oh and just becuz an article is at such an age doesn't mean that there aren't people still like that today...and I'm spent..

It's rather ironic that you've based the majority of your arguments in this thread, on a case-study done by a group that is openly bigoted towards homo-sexuals.

 

[frsrblch]

Ok just wanted to make clear and put an end to my statements. I repeat, I believe there is Nothing Wrong With Being ***. I work with 3 *** people and I talk to them like I talk to anybody else. I just don't see how it is Genetic. There hasn't been any proof of it from what I've seen/read. Oh and just becuz an article is at such an age doesn't mean that there aren't people still like that today...and I'm spent..

No, I wasn't referring to you personally, or at all really, just people who think that homosexuality is wrong.

 

[Hitokiri]

This is a little tiring.

I'll just try and spell this part out. Child molestation is an act with a perpetrator and a victim.

Homosexual relations between consenting adults is not only victimless, but completely harmless to all individuals involved. I say that just in case you want to draw an analogy to, say, a consensual act of cannibalism (it's happened.) The two things are incomparable. If you can't figure that out...

 

[Andy011]

I just feel the traditional family is the more stable, and works better.

Well OF COURSE the traditional family is more stable and works better, because they're not the ones getting bombed by tomatoes through a damn gauntlet.

Homosexual couples (KEYWORD COUPLES) are couples because they have chosen so to begin with. Now, if they perform sex or not, is still not to be compared to raping methods such as paedophilia.

THAT is inmoral, because the victim, as previously mentioned, is not capable of accepting that morally... he/she is the victim of something that he/she doesn't even know about for crying out loud! Not to mention the fact that the organic system isn't capable of accepting or doing anything with... well... the semen.

In other words, the victim isn't psychologically nor physically aware of the pleasure that might be felt in such a harsh interaction.

Grown up couples, on the other hand, ARE physically and psychologically capable of accepting that, if they happen to have sex.

Now, this is just my oppinion, I could be wrong, but I think that homosexuality occurs between two people mainly because of the instincts. That's why we say we're animals as well, because we have instincts. And if it's our animal side that might lead us to such a relationship, then it IS natural, for we are animals as well.

Another reason is that maybe the person got fed up with the opposite sex (women are too complicated, men are pigs, blah blah blah...) so they decide to "explore".

I don't think I can go deeper into the subject, unless I find something I happen to disagree with (completely or partially), but homosexual affairs (NOT RAPING CASES) are there because the two people decided it'd be the best for them, like it, whatever. Isn't it natural to follow our emotions, AS LONG AS THE OTHER PERSON INVOLVED HAS NO OBJECTIONS TO IT? IMO, indeed it is.

 

[solidus]

...i just wanted to hear about the koalas...







what?