Legalization Of Marijuana

Legalization Of Marijuana

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I make medicine for a living? You?

Nice list of things that have little basis in truth. THC does cause fetal deformations . . . a census of child defects in that country where it's legalized proves nothing. I do however have a wife with several costly defects from it . . . care to tell me I'm wrong again.

And any chemical in your brain that gets "supplimented" can cause problems . . . THC is no exception. I look at people who have used it for years and I see very definate losses in both coordination, and memory. It is not a temporary thing.

Next time, write a paper that doesn't use Cheech and Chong as a source :rolleyes:
 
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I've never tried any of these drugs mentioned, and don't plan to, so I don't want to say much about something I've never experienced directly.

If you're going to do drugs, go ahead. You can have all the side effects, keep them away from me.
I'm for the legalization of marijuana, but not because I would like to try it.
I personally have a relative who suffers from Glaucoma, and the legalization of Marijuana could help him with this disease.

It's true that a drug is a drug, and no matter what, anything you put in your body can or could alter the way it works, I don't want to start anything there, but when used as medicines, is that not a good thing?

And Marijuana is a gateway drug, so if we legalize this, would America have to legalize more powerful and dangerous drugs when no one regards Marijuana as "bad" anymore?

I just think America should legalize it. It would get our country more money, and would save many people who obtain it laced with other chemicals and drugs.
 

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It doesnt matter, people still do it.. Its just that itll get eisier for them to do it.

Everything is legal where I live

/walks out

/bang!

/walks in

see?
 
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Im sorry about your wife, i dont mean to offend anyone, i just wanna shed some light on the subject.

If marijuana is abused, it may hurt the health of both mother and child. Delta-9-THC does cross the placenta and enter the fetus. Oddly, though, the marijuana metabolite, 11-nor-9-carboxy-delta-9-THC does not, and the fetus does not break delta-9-THC down into 11-nor like the mother's body does, so unborn children are not exposed to 11-nor. These are the different chemicals that are in different strains of marijuana

I know people that have used it for years and i dont see ne problem with them, like i say it depends on the person, if you think you are mentally stable then sure, go ahead and try it, there is no way it can damage your brain so badly, you loose more braincells while playing ESF than you do smoking a joint, its science, most recent medical test show no sign of brain damage, the equiptment used to carry out this reasearch can show how your brain cells change as you learn.

Unfortunately cannabis does have a immunosuppressive effect, so you imune system does not work as well as it should, this is only in the liver but it goes away with the high. Smoking it is even worse because it leaves cannabis metabolites on the lungs, which make the immune system less effective in the lungs for weeks. Of course the lungs problem would be stopped if the cannabis is digested instead.

A very good friend of mine, who smokes an exsessive amount of dope, (at 1 point 1/2 an ounce of dope in 1 night once a week) and has done for the past 5 years last year took his AS/A levels and got an A* in math, and 2 A's and 1 B, sorry but it seems like it aint as bad as people make out. The truth is, no study has ever demonstrated cellular damage, stupidity, mental impairment, or insanity brought on specifically by marijuana use -- even heavy marijuana use. This is not to say that it cannot be abused, however.

I got an A for my essay on this, I know what I'm talking about from life experience as well, ive stopped for my exams, i did 5 weeks ago, I dont consider having a joint a bad thing, its something to enjoy and scocialise with your mates with, as long as you know your limits and be careful.

sorry for sounding critical, but what does making medicine got to do with knowing about cannabis scince it is illegal, in what way would you be taught about it? if you were could you tell me what you were told?

btw, ive never watched cheech and chong lol...
 
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And Marijuana is a gateway drug, so if we legalize this, would America have to legalize more powerful and dangerous drugs when no one regards Marijuana as "bad" anymore?
you wrote this while i was typing, sorry, but people who try marijuana these days have been constantly told that it is a bad drug and is classed with heroin and crack, then when they try it, and they find out the truth, they think, "they told us a bunch o lies about cannabis, i bet they're lying about crack too" and hence they try it. Nobody can say that things like crack and heroin are should be legal, because they have cause many deaths and made people more violent, etc.....
 
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cheech and chong ****ing rule, But they could never write something that makes nearly as much sense as that does, lol.

BTW, I said no to a joint today and had to watch my friend smoke it just to prove to myself that I am nowhere near addicted and never wiill be.

P.S. I would write more but my friends got the munchies and we need to goto the shop lol.
 
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lol u guys r really helping me out with my paper. also I have said no to drugs a bunch of times and I don't know if I have ever stated it but even though I don't do drugs I still want Marijuana legalized.
 
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I think this topic is going to drop down now lol, It had its time. lol
 
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First I want to say I'm sorry for being rude, there's no real excuse, so all I have is an apology.

Lets start with this:

sorry for sounding critical, but what does making medicine got to do with knowing about cannabis scince it is illegal, in what way would you be taught about it? if you were could you tell me what you were told?
I worked for Aventis Pharma for a few years, and though I'm out of the medical feild now, I did learn quite a bit about how the body deals with toxins and foriegn particles. This is the difference between you and I. I speak from my own research, with only basic information that is already determined to be factual. Since most of the cannabis debate is that, a debate, I do not use it for anything more than a point of reference.

Addiction its simply false, there is no chemical in cannabis that can get you addicted to, however people with an obsessive personality can become psycolgically addicted to it, and this has been proven many times by different health organisations around the world.
Guess what? A psycological addiction is still and addiction, and there is nothing proven about the prerequisite state of mind . . , therefore, anyone is open to Psych addiction.

About second hand smoke,
Yeah, I never heard of clam baking, never seen contact high, and know nothing of shotgunning. It happens, data or test is flawed. Real world tests prove otherwise.

the chemical in tobbaco that is supposed to be the cause of cancer(it is still unclear what it is) is NOT pressant in cannabis
Actually, the irritation of the lungs might be it as well, in which case pot can also cause cancer . . . my wife has severe asthma as well as a malformed lung from it . . . so much for better lung treatments, eh? Once again, real world data is better than a pot-head in a labcoat screwing with mice.

fetus development, now, if you look at statistics of countries where cannabis is legal, 80% of born bables are born healthier than babies in countries where cannabis is illegal.[/qoute]

I don't need to point out the fact that ice cream sales increase when serial killers emerge . . . usless relational statistics that are not possible to collect correctly can't support this one. Sorry.

As for leading to harder drugs it is more or less even,
Ah yeah, see the chemical vs psycological dependancy section again. This makes it worse, because the abuser is looking for the high, not the THC.

there is no way it can damage your brain so badly, you loose more braincells while playing ESF than you do smoking a joint,
Neither you, nor I, have enough medical data at hand to prove this . . . I assume you are using anothers lab work to support your claim. Let me be absolutely clear on this, the only medical data you can trust is that which you have collected and tested yourself. Most labrotories determine the outcome first, then collect data to support their claim, and throw out that which doesn't fit the model. Both sides do this, so no one can claim, with 100% certainty, that they understand how THC (and the rest of cannabis) affects the body.

THC is a sythesized natural chemical that already exsists in your brain, any damage to the brain is caused by carbon monoxide, and thats only if you smoke it, . . . THC is a chemical which will emphasise any existing mental problems it CANNOT cause them. The memory loss is only when under the influence, because the chemicals that cause this problem get converted into cannaboids which are then stored into the bodies fat cells, which cannot in anyway influence you.
It is a naturally occuring chemical which exsists in SMALL amounts in your brain. Besides the obvious effects during your "high", you are also wearing down receptors for that chemical in your brain, just like diabetics get when the Insulin receptors are worn in the body. You cannot increase chemical amounts in the brain and not damage it. Your logic is flawed. In addition, your body recognizes an excess as a bad thing, and sets the liver to cleaning it . . . this causes the liver to ignore other things it should be proccessing, like bad cholesterol . . . and other lethal toxins.

In addition, the storage of the chemical in fat cells works untill your body enters ketogenesis, at which point they are re released into the blood stream. (Didn't containment fail in Iraq too :p)

Unfortunately cannabis does have a immunosuppressive effect, . . .
A nice and lethal combination when your body can't process bacterial toxins and toxoids, while trying to clean out the THC. Nothing that will kill you now . . . you are young. But when your 50, and combining this with other bad habits, you are making death your freind. Need I point out that no one claims that Alcohol and Tobbacco are "safe".

You don't die quick from them either.

A very good friend of mine, who smokes an exsessive amount of dope,
Those studies are flawed, they do not trend data for more than a year, much less than the decade mine took. I see it's affects in all of the users who have reached their late 20's to early 30's. It becomes rediculous after a score of years of more.

I got an A for my essay on this, I know what I'm talking about from life experience as well, ive stopped for my exams
GJ, however, you are a student, and your freinds are at best a decade younger than mine. I see it's affects trended over many years. You can always tell a stoner apart, and there is a reason. In moderation, pot isn't a death sentance, but you can't say it's harmless . . . that's just nonsence.
 
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DAMN thats a long post =\

I think ill just respond with what you finished up with: Cucumba, nothing is completly absolutly safe it depends on your control and how you use it... I know that I have complete control over how much i smoke and stuff so if it does do any damage to my body/mind (which is smaller then tiny with the amount i smoke) then it will be so tiny its not even noticible...

aren't brain cells developing all the time, much quicker then smoking or drinking can destroy them?
 
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It is probably harmful to a degree, but not at the rate people claim. I must say though that I am unsure of the effects of 10-20 years of smoking it, all a can say is from first hand experience and after smoking it for the past 3 years i am still happy to get stonned when i feel like it. I dont ever feel a need for dope, its just a nice thing to do. Neither do i feel that it effects me in a bad way. I advise anybody who wants to take cannabis to find out about it first, and ask if they really want to do it, and learn about ways to take it more safely, I personally hand bong all the time, so it filters out more of the smoke.

Alchohol you can overdose, and tobacco, Cannabis though you'd have to smoke smoke a hell of a lot of cannabis at once to overdose, and you would certainly passout before you could reach 1/10 of what you need to overdose. I conclude if someone said, you can either smoke 100 blunts, 100 ciggarets, or drink more than 30 shots of whiskey, which would you choose?

If digested cannabis will only produce a imunosupressive effect for liver, and this will only last until the THC is broken down.

I'd like to say that the cannaboids in fat cells arent the same as THC, it is what the body has broken down from THC and it no longer exists so how can it effect you?

anyway, what is your view on the legalization of Marijuana?
 
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Brain cells are bieng developed but, they develop so slow that it takes up to 10 years to make a mature brain cell.
 
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It is probably harmful to a degree,
As I said, not a death sentance, but definately not what I'd call safe. It seems you get stoned in moderation, good for you, keep it that way.

and this will only last until the THC is broken down.
Breakdowns of chemicals in the blood (and body in general) take time, and only certain amount can be processed at one time. Alcohol is far worse here, since you can easily outstrip the body's cleansing mechanisms. I'll agree that THC doesn't last for ever, but the broken down chemical isn't a star for health either. HC stands for Hydro Carbide right? That lowers your PH, creating lactic acid in the bloodstream . . . the same thing that happens during asphyxiation. Again, it's not likely you'll be killing yourself with THC outright, but this is hardly healthy.


Rounding it out, I do think it should be legalized and controlled. People need to be educated, and wide spread FDA testing needs to be done. If it's legal, all these things happen, and the little stoners in labcoats will need to prove results and keep their paperwork. Essentially, there are worse things you can do to yourself, hell, an overdose of vitamins is probably more dangerous. But I can obviously see from earlier tones that none of the pro-legalization people believe it can hurt them.

So I guess you could say I'm pro education, and for that you need legalization.
 
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Also alcohol won't harm you if you use it wisely. I don't mean drinking all the time is good for you but if you just have some wine with a few meals and some casual drinks when you are going out, it does not do any damage unless you have another condition that could be affected by it. Using pot always has a bad effect every time you use it no matter what you do. It messes up your brain and helps give you lung cancer. don't even try to tell me it doesn't do these things because it DOES.
 
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Then maybe you should get some evidence to prove it and stop acting like you know everything without something to support your statement? especialy when this whole forum is full of stuff to prove against it and for it and you just saying... IT DOES BECAUSE I SAY IT DOES (not exactly what you said but basically the same concept)
 

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from what i've read and i've read a lot, the pro side tends to present long detailed well argumented cases while the con side tends to use lots of generalizations. also most ppl need to know that the only reason pot is illegal in the US was because during the depression senetors from the SW thought that since most of the mexican immigrants smoked, by outlawing it they could deport them there fore creating more jobs. now it's just degenerated to a point where the government makes up lies and tells half truths. For those of you that don't smoke, there are A LOT more ppl toking then you think. oh and if you think pot is evil throw away your jazz, rock, hip hop, and most other popular music since pot has played a role and/or influenced heavily in all these. anyhow i'd say go to this page:
http://ska.about.com/cs/ganjacannabis1/
that's a pretty detailed site with lot info on all aspects rangings from use to history, medical facts to cooking recipes (yum garlic bread) anywho ther eis also alot of anti-stuff you can find else where on about.com but don't take my word do your own research
 
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weed...weed..weed... people say that it should be legal because it is grown naturally, not like that smack you see scag heads junking up on behind shops, you feel sorry for those people for a second, but then they chase you.. lol... anyways.. its grown naturally, but is everyone forgetting out pal, mr.mushy?? thats grown naturally as well, but thats REALLY crazy stuff, ive never really had a "proper" trip off it, and then again, i was stupid back then, mushies are nasty, they actually alter your mind, not good for people, cannabis is just the start of the slippery slide, meaning it gives you a choice, it dosnt drag you down, it depends on how willing and hopelessly dependent they are on it, people who hang around with the wrong croud and in the wrong places are screaming hopelessness in there lives, they create a HUGE uproar against cannabis, people think that its cannabis that brings them here, its not, its who there with and the surroundings they are in, if they keep cannabis banned, they should ban dodgy people and rough places, then again, im a huge supporter of cannabis, i got lots of goodys littlered around my house :p

now onto alcohol, probally my favourate subject, but then again, im waisted, 2 partys and a bottle of scotch in front of me. lol, so i wont start that topic :laff: :laff:
 
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If you think about it, Marijuana isn't as bad as Alcohol in many ways.

You can't kill yourself in one night by smoking too much pot...at least I don't think you can...correct me if I'm wrong Cuc but if there is an amount, it is ungodly and rediculous. Anyone ever heard of alcohol poisoning?

Alcoholism is a much worse addiction than any psychological addiction pot has...they say if a recovered alcoholic takes another drink...just one...than they will be hooked again. From personal experience, I have seen friends who were huge smokers at one point, and then quit, smoke for a special occasion, and leave it at that. Period.

While that isn't so much true to topic, it points that alcohol is legal at a certain age, and is quite possibly more dangerous than pot.

To the good things about legalization.

A large boost to the economy. (Billions of dollars go unchecked from marijuana sellings, and it would also create some new jobs...farming etc...)

Regulation so that tainted weed won't get into unknowing bowls and joints.

Better quality.

Stopping those stupid ass anti-pot commercials...they are stupid and quite misleading, parents should teach their kids what to stay away from or use in moderation and responsibility...not my TV

Less crowded jails...always a problem.

Now to the bad things.

Side effects...one joint is something like 5 cigarettes...even if you do smoke pot and not cigarettes (I've only seen a few) you still get harmful chemicals.

Laziness, think of how many people would do nothing but sit on their asses all day and smoke...it could be somewhat detrimental.

These are all things to take into consideration when thinking of this question...I personally say Canada seems to have a good system for it...but hey I don't know that much.

PS /me kicks Forums in the nuts...tis been too long.
 
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BRIM IS BACK!!!!

Yeah your right Brim, you can't "O-D" on marijuana. You can smoke yourself green.
 

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