hmm

[evilpenquin]

http://www.elchulo.net/files/pentagon.swf

 

[Dask]

Text went a little fast, I missed a few things, but from what I can tell half of it was bs and the other half was interesting.

 

[Synth]

It is a debate worthy point... since the manuever required seems impossible for such a large plane. I mean it hit the side dead even with the ground. A smaller/commercial plane would seem more realistic.

Who knows... our country has been paranoid ever since though.

 

[Sonic the Vampire]

Sounds good. Somebody made a similar flash a very long time ago but it didn't have as much detail in it. It's hard to tell how much of it is coincidental or BS, but it's hard to tell how much of what the government tells us is either. Does it matter if it was a plane or a missle? Regardless of what it was, it's been over for nearly three years, and is no longer relevant; however, it does surprise me that they never released any of those videos, even up to now, or at least allowed someone from national news to view the videos or whatever, assuming they didn't.

 

[SuperDragonFist]

thats actually kinda weird why would they wanna cover up a plane (or missile) crash

 

[DiebytheSword]

I think the paranoia machine is more dangerous than the mind control machine . . . but that's just my opinion.

 

[owa]

There is a pretty long video on this whole thing. 9/11 in plane sight or something like that. I haven't seen it, is by far to large, and the only way to get it is off the net.

Anyways, one thing I always found is how come all we see is a gas station survileance camera video of the plane crashing, when we should have loads of video. This is one of the most survelieanced buildings in the world, yet we get nothing clear?

 

[Evil_Trunks]

It's always so hard to tell between what is real and what is lies people are feeding us as truth. Both people on the Internet and the Government. The only real truth is first hand experience. What I see with my own eyes.

So in cases such as 9/11, I don't think we'll ever know what really happened or why it seemed like so much information was withheld.

But it was an interesting flash none-the-less.

 

[Fire Phoenix]

Hmm. I don't really know what to think... But It can't be a missile. If it were. it would rip through the first building then explode... but this is my question tho it doesnt relate to the pentagon..

if the air planes hit the top of the twin towers... how did the twin towers collapse?

 

[WeaponOfChoice]

There was a long documentary about how the supports had been weakened at the bottom and the impact just shook it so it colapsed.

Oh and one thing, why would someone want to blow up their own building where they get most of their information from?

 

[Zeonix]

@ Fire: There are a few types of missles. Some missles explode on contact, while there are others that can "rip" right through several layers of concrete before exploding. The latter type of missle usually has a timer on it (how many seconds until it explodes).

The collapsing question is easy. The planes hit the top of building, charges went off at the base and/or center, and the building fell down. By charges i mean bombs place. Thats what many Firemen and Police Officers told me the day it happened. I was cutting that day and found myself 1 or 2 city blocks away when it happened.

I doubt the firemen and police officers were all conspiracy theorists (especially b4 there was a conspiracy), so ill take their word about the charges.

Main Theory (skipping all the details): 1) 9/11 2) Patriotism 3) Anger and Hatred 4) Attack the wrong country 5) Current War in Iraq.

Obviously theres a hell of a lot more going on than 2 terrorists somehow managing to steal gigantic airplanes and going off the aircraft's current path without anyone noticing. Normally, these planes would have been shot down or "escorted" by military aircraft. It seems as though everyone was asleep that day.

Edit: I just read the post before mine. Why would someone blow up their own building? Ever heard of the Reichstag? Read about it.

 

[DragonDude]

if the air planes hit the top of the twin towers... how did the twin towers collapse?

Because commercial airliners struck them at top speed?
Skyscrapers aren't like Jenga, they're not going to keep standing because you only take some off the top.

Meh... conspiracies...

 

[Zeonix]

Unless you've seen the towers up close or at least have some knowledge of skyscrapers, you wouldnt understand. If you hit the top, the base is fine so the rest of the building will stand. If you hit the center or at least a few floors beneath the center, then the rest will probably topple over.

 

[Big Kyle]

I have always knew or thought it was a missle, because I also never saw anything from a aircraft. This is the USA freedom but also alot of propaganda, for all we know they knew about 9/11 and used it to fire a missle into the pentagon, or USA itself crashed into the World Trade center just to goto war. Its all propaganda and this world is full of it.

 

[Tassadar]

@ Fire: There are a few types of missles. Some missles explode on contact, while there are others that can "rip" right through several layers of concrete before exploding. The latter type of missle usually has a timer on it (how many seconds until it explodes).

The collapsing question is easy. The planes hit the top of building, charges went off at the base and/or center, and the building fell down. By charges i mean bombs place. Thats what many Firemen and Police Officers told me the day it happened. I was cutting that day and found myself 1 or 2 city blocks away when it happened.

I doubt the firemen and police officers were all conspiracy theorists (especially b4 there was a conspiracy), so ill take their word about the charges.

Main Theory (skipping all the details): 1) 9/11 2) Patriotism 3) Anger and Hatred 4) Attack the wrong country 5) Current War in Iraq.

Obviously theres a hell of a lot more going on than 2 terrorists somehow managing to steal gigantic airplanes and going off the aircraft's current path without anyone noticing. Normally, these planes would have been shot down or "escorted" by military aircraft. It seems as though everyone was asleep that day.

Edit: I just read the post before mine. Why would someone blow up their own building? Ever heard of the Reichstag? Read about it.

Bull.
Many of the people that worked on the building have said that they were surprised they stayed up as long as they did. The heat where the planes crashed into the towers scorched to over 800 degrees celcius. This is enough to melt metal. One floor fell, and a domino effect ensued, it's not a hard concept to grasp. Because of how long the towers held together, thousands more lives were saved.

But the towers' ultimate collapse was inevitable, as the steel cores inside them reached temperatures of 800C - raising questions as to why hundreds of rescue workers were sent into the doomed buildings to their deaths.

These people rushed into the building knowing that they might not come out alive.

As for the Pentagon, it doesn't seem to be on many people's worry list, if there was really that much evidence, something would have come up by now. When the subject is widely watched, it's very hard to keep back evidence. That was seen in the Pentagon Papers incident during Vietnam and the Watergate scandal in which Richard Nixon was impeached.
About the fighter jets that should have been escorting the planes. The FBI, CIA, and airline agencies and air monitoring stations in the country before 9/11 did not share information with eachother. I've watched specials on this, fighter jets WERE set into air, but they were launched too far from New York, the planes already took a huge turn to head towards New York City, and it was unknown what their destination was.

 

[Big Kyle]

As for the Pentagon, it doesn't seem to be on many people's worry list, if there was really that much evidence, something would have come up by now. When the subject is widely watched, it's very hard to keep back evidence. That was seen in the Pentagon Papers incident during Vietnam and the Watergate scandal in which Richard Nixon was impeached.

You would be very suprised on what USA keeps secret from the people.

 

[Tassadar]

You would be very suprised on what USA keeps secret from the people.

I'm sure they keep a lot from us. But when you have something so publicized as 9/11, it would be impossible to keep back all the evidence that it could be a 'missile'.
Like I said, people paid attention to Vietnam, that's why the Pentagon Papers were found, papers that contradicted the reasons for going into Vietnam given by the administration at that time. And Watergate, where Nixon hired men to steal strategic election documents from the Democrats, it was shortly after the DMC. The government was not able to keep back the two reporters that exposed watergate.

 

[Smith|]

You would be very suprised on what USA keeps secret from the people.

Look what happens when they don't. Now imagine what would happen if they did :/.

 

[Tassadar]

I have always knew or thought it was a missle, because I also never saw anything from a aircraft. This is the USA freedom but also alot of propaganda, for all we know they knew about 9/11 and used it to fire a missle into the pentagon, or USA itself crashed into the World Trade center just to goto war. Its all propaganda and this world is full of it.

So your saying the United States made up Osama bin Laden, al Quaeda, and all the terrorists that blow themselves up for a religion they know nothing about? We've seen, since 9/11, that people hate us because of who we are.
To think that the government made up 9/11 is proposterous. No country in the world made this claim, because almost all countries wanted to help the U.S. in the war on terror after 9/11. People finally found that terrorism is a global problem, not just a middle-eastern problem. Confirmed even more by the train bombings in Madrid, Spain.

 

[Sonic the Vampire]

I'm sure they keep a lot from us. But when you have something so publicized as 9/11, it would be impossible to keep back all the evidence that it could be a 'missile'.

The trade towers were publicized. The pentagone was an afterthought. It would appear is as much or more evidence that it was a small craft or a missle of some kind than that it was a 747.