Goku W.I.P

[vox]

And its posts like yours which are the reasons why I dont awnser your crits. Your acting like a complete ass, and its not even nessessary. You have turned one conversation upside down to think you are some kind of god of DBZ or something of the such. I have nothing agenst you or Arucard, but I am only going to follow the majority of the people, and the majority thinks this model is complete, so I am going to release it as requested. Sorry, but if you feel there are a number of flaws, I'll check into it for v1.2.

you insult the sideview of ned's model when you haven't even seen it
don't tell me that doesn't make you an ass

i'll also mention that the majority of the people, are either not artists, or are just kissing your ass(not to mention you're a girl.. don't tell me a girl doesn't get special treatment on the internet) if you want an example of how the "majority" means nothing, look at threads with some of the crappiest models ever and you'll see atleast 3 people saying "omg that's the best model ever" some people have just never seen anything good

i dunno who said the nose is done, but that still definately needs tweaking.. no skin can salvage that

"I respect her because she is not an ass like EVERY other modeler I know. "
you must not know any decent modelers then, usually it's the bad ones who are asses because they never listen to crit

thanks

 

[Mr.Gimp]

vox it is one thing when the model truly sucks, but you are talking to someone who has year's experience at this. I give constructive crit's when it is nescessary, she followed my reference now I find the model to look perfect. Everyone is entitled to there own opinions so sew me for having mine.

 

[Jenny_Kitty]

don't tell me that doesn't make you an ass

Accually, its just you.

 

[vox]

Accually, its just you.

can you provide why it's "just me"
you're the one who flames a model you've never seen before, Ass

 

[Tech Nique]

as close to gokus hair as you can get?
your model has a ton of flaws, and you don't seem to be listening to crit
i can understand why you love posting models here though, look at all those people kissing your ass

btw, wtf goku are you talking about?
ned NEVER posted a side view of his goku, so i dunno what the hell YOURE smoking

i love how you always use the excuse that you used X amount of references so there can't be anything wrong though

no offense ofcourse, i've tried critting your model, but you just seem to be posting it to get praise

btw2 thankyou arucard for proving not EVERYONE here is blind

again, i mean no disrespect, but when you say **** like "unless you make it like NeD's where it looks like him in the front view, but bad in the side view, then I could do that easily" when you haven't even seen his model from the side view is a joke
actually no, thats not a joke, the head of your goku is a joke..
seriously, ned is on a whole nother level from you, not to mention he can actually listen to crit

instead of actualy whinning fool, make some cyits , since your mentioned this, now she might take some crits,but hey this is her first model hmm since to yrs, oh and Vox Jenny has a more brain then you, you didnt crit at all just then just whine, bring the crits again bring them and she might actualy consider them, she dont like to be flamed so dont flame, respect man. oh and vox your the ASS

 

[vox]

i DID make crits(other forum, moron ), but she ignored them and whined how her model is perfect because a bunch of newbies like you said so

you're saying she has more brains than me?
like i said, your opinion isn't credible when you don't even have what you're talking about
or do you want me to post all the convos on aim you've had with people?

"and Vox Jenny has a more brain then you"
and vox... jenny has a more brain then you..
don't even get involved in this, you're obviously not prepared to argue about who's smarter than who

 

[Jenny_Kitty]

Well at least me and Element are SMART enough to know that continueing this needless amount of flaming will end up getting this topic locked which would be really stupid considering we didnt do much to create it.

Now end the flame and lets continue where we left off...

 

[NeD]

Wait wait, let me get this straight....

We're *******s because YOU made an insulting remark about one of my models without having seen it that way...

Yes that's very funny...

To be honest I think you are an arrogant, stuck up *****, and i haven't even met you ONCE. How dare you talk trash about anyone else's work without any provocation. Had i said something nasty about your Goku? No, but believe me i could have.

If i had said something your reply might be understandable, but as it is you come off like an idiot.

Even I don't believe my models are perfect, so i don't think you have any right to act the way you do.

You know If i had posted some of my work here, I would probably blow your goku out of the water, but i'll save you the embarrasment.

BTW Mr.Gimp this is not meant as an insult to you, but her modelling is not inidicative of a person who has done this for years, they're messy, have bad construction and obviously no eye for observation.

If you want me to tear you're goku apart with crits limb from limb Jenny Kitty I will. Please, please just give me a signal, so i can shove your goku up your ****y behind. Hiding behind a "this is for ESF" motto is RUBBISH. You should be ready to listen to any crits from any site, it's not like zeq or sos are any less dbz, or looking at an entirely different anime than esf. You're just acting like some kind of immature pussy.

Oh and as far as a side view of my Goku, this is for you:

http://www.ned-art.com/side_goku.jpg

Now if you want to crit that fine, but don't throw insults when you don't know what you're talking about

 

[vox]

Well at least me and Element are SMART enough to know that continueing this needless amount of flaming will end up getting this topic locked which would be really stupid considering we didnt do much to create it.

Now end the flame and lets continue where we left off...

"actually it's just you"
that's needless flaming, also very stupid because you won't even admit you were wrong for critting a model you've never even seen

he's also whining to crit your model, which i did on another forum, so he should just shut the hell up and not involve himself--i can't believe he's already unbanned from here

having seen ned's new reply, there is nothing more that can be said
so long as i'm not provoked, i will end this arguing and will apologize for coming off so rude, but that doesn't make it right for what you did
this reminds me of when you flamed turk and called his models crap when you were judging his skill purely on his FIRST couple models, and not his recent work.. you just seem to have a big mouth--ALL BECAUSE HE GAVE YOU CRIT and not even in a rude way

yeah, she's really "not an ass"

 

[Tech Nique]

*** you Vox, and i aint no n00b, your the n00bie, abd when i talk to her she never says its perfect, and oh you talking about ur pathetic ghey buds kai0punk and Frankysomething, hmm they threatend me, i threatend back, so you can **** of or get back ontopic . and why would you bring the convo things about your best boifriends, get a life nerd
ontopic: anyways kitty i like the model maybe a few improvements could do, wait i dont have any crits yet, maybe other people will but the model is very great

 

[vox]

*** you Vox, and i aint no n00b, your the n00bie, abd when i talk to her she never says its perfect, and oh you talking about ur pathetic ghey buds kai0punk and Frankysomething, hmm they threatend me, i threatend back, so you can **** of or get back ontopic . and why would you bring the convo things about your best boifriends, get a life nerd
ontopic: anyways kitty i like the model maybe a few improvements could do, wait i dont have any crits yet, maybe other people will but the model is very great

... i can't understand half the crap you just said
and yes, you're a newbie, i wish you were still banned
you begged ned to skin a model you got off esf forums, why, so you could leak it?
****ing leaker newbie, you lie about having permission to steal models from a mod, and now you lie about not being a newbie great work ****

why don't you stop getting involved in this, i already said i'd stop


"233083955: yea can i have the old trunks, since its not for no mods anymore,
Ned: i just explained that i can't give you that because it was a model i made for DBQ. But when atari shut down DBQ they took all the work we made, and told us we weren't allowed to give to anyone
Ned: so no, you can't have it because of that
233083955: o i see
Ned: sorry
233083955: its allright but i didnt understand
233083955:
Ned: no worries
233083955: so if atari didnt say not to give it to anyone, would you have gave it?
Ned: ? i haven't given it to anyone because atari told me not to
233083955: yeah ino
233083955: any other models that atari told ya not to?
Ned: just the work for DBQ
Ned: which was a DBZ mod
233083955: can i see all the work you made for DBQ
Ned: i don't have most of it anymore
Ned: all that DBQ work is about 2 years old now
233083955: u made a brolly 2 rig

083955: simpile for you
233083955: all thos dbz models for dbq
233083955: ?
Ned: on my site, other than vegetto, yes
233083955: does your current spidermans, have a hole skeleton + anims?
Ned: well the one on my webpage is also 2 years old, but yes
233083955: are they also for a mod?
Ned: yes
233083955: ok
233083955: how long does it take you to make a model
Ned: not long
233083955: more then an day
233083955: ?

ed: i donated it, without joining the team
233083955: k
233083955: umm could you skin turks trunks or some other current models maybe?
Ned: i probably won't have time, why?
233083955: coz ive been searching for some current models, i found some good ones but wernt skin
Ned: even if i did skin one of turk's models i wouldn't give out the skin to the public
233083955: y
Ned: just a personal policy
233083955: ohh
233083955: if i give you another model thats been released
233083955: for esf"

yeah.. you're not a newbie...

 

[Tech Nique]

eh wtf now, saying i would leak models and asking ned to skin them,what ever fool what ever, **** your just ghey and dont no ****, your a newbie and are teh liar your very bs fool now get back ontoppic. i wish you were band to

 

[vox]

eh wtf now, saying i would leak models and asking ned to skin them,what ever fool what ever, **** your just ghey and dont no ****, your a newbie and are teh liar your very bs fool now get back ontoppic. i wish you were band to

... what the hell, are you 11 years old?
why were you banned then, eh? oh thats right, for leaking zeq2s models..
you begged ned to waste his time skinning stuff just to entertain you, newbie


i'm gonna correct every typo you just said
Eh, WTF now, saying I would leak models and asking Ned to skin them, whatever fool, whatever, **** you're just *** and don't know ****, you're a newbie and are the liar you're very bs(?) fool now get back ontopic. I wish you were banned too.

 

[Jenny_Kitty]

"...unless you make it like NeD's where it looks like him in the front view, but bad in the side view, then I could do that easily..."

Im sorry, for insulting "a tad".

And thank you for showing the sideview, finally. Now I can accually CRIT like vox and you would have wanted. The two upper front spikes look out of proportion, very unlike goku and you can get a better ref right here:

http://www.dbgtn.com/images/cels/goku/goku252.jpg

I didn't even look at the side view of your goku's hair and I still knew it was off. Im not a complete idiot, but I can tell the difference to a fairly accurate goku to a fairly unaccurate. Its a great skin an all, but you might want to fix the "Flaws" in your goku's hair before critting about mine. And if you feel you can blow me out of the water, then I dont care. I only came back to DBZ modeling because of the inspiration from some who had gone through alot more **** then most people, so its that bit of inspiration which keeps me from continueing this flame. It ends here mainly because we are going in the wrong direction, and mainly because this forum doesnt need another flamed topic flying around. You can accept mine and Element's apologies if you feel its fair, if not then thats fine too, but we wont be continuing this meaningless fight of foul words and bad names.

 

[Tech Nique]

omfg Vox you dont ****n no shiat dude, i got banned becoz i flamed somone, i got a third warning you ****n idiot, see it comes to the time you an actual n00b and you dont no everything fool, so dont assume what you realy dont no

 

[MajinZGohan]

Quite EVERYONE!!! Let's stop this alright. I'm sure we all know the model's not perfect, and some critz aren't getting through, and that she insulted Ned's goku(btw wow, I've finally met Ned, *me bounce off ceiling*, pleased to meet you Ned), but that's no reason to start a flame war. I think we all outta be ashamded of ourselves, now let's get back on topic, and try to help this model out a bit, and please don't tell me she'd probably just ignore it, because it's not really necesary( doh! forgot how to spell this word)

 

[NeD]

Yes i would have to agree the front hairs could be thicker, but it was the trade-off i had to pay, because from every other view if the hair had been any bigger it would have broken the silouhette of goku.

That said the overall impression is alot closer than your is.

First of all limit the amount of refs you use from the anime. The artist changes every 3 eps. Stick to the manga because even though it varies, it's still the same artist.

The ref you gave already points out sevral erros to your model, which you must have observed. Like the hieght and width of your goku's shoulders, as well as his overall body size. He's much fuller generally than your goku. Also the nose is obviously shown to need fixing.

If you'd like i could make you an accurate drawover.

 

[grOOvy]

Vox
Jenny_Kitty
ElementOne

All three of you receive a :warning: warning :warning: each for flaming and trying to act all big. Thanks for ruining this thread, which is now closed.

@Jenny: If you want to create another thread to continue talking about the original topic, with zero flames and zero off-topic content - feel free to do so. If you so much as even try to indirectly flame or act like a mod, the back door will shown elegantly. You were doing very well in the thread, before the havoc started.

@Element: You have already been banned in the past for flaming, and you are at it again now. How about you stop before you get permanently IP banned from these forums? Sounds good? I hope so, for your sake. We do not tolerate flaming on these forums, in any section, in any form.

@Mr.Gimp: Thank you for bringing this thread to my attention, informing a member of the forum staff instead of posting publicly is indeed the right way to go. :yes: