Evolution

[Zeonix]

I'm pretty far from being an atheist, but this is what I lean towards when I decide to stay away from more esoteric theories. I'm not sold on any one idea, so I prefer to think about it using all of the information available to me and form my own ideas and theories. Better that than take the easy route and say Jake the Snake Roberts and Mr. Puggles made it, anyway:

This video is interesting, but it's not proof. And it's not entirely accurate. Empirical observation shows that yes, the universe was at one point in time, a singularity. However, nothing says that that singularity was always a singularity; it's also possible the universe goes through repeated stages of big bangs, crunches, and so forth. We simply don't know yet.

 

[SailorAlea]

I dunno, helps me

You think it helps you--but it actually keeps you ignorant, just like the people in Africa right now hysterically thinking that "sorcerers are stealing their penises" think that helps them.

(http://uk.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUKL2290323220080422)

Superstition based on ignorance of reality--whether it be cultural, religious, what have you. Blind faith is synonomous with ignorance.

 

[sub]

At the risk of acting like Jinx, I present to you a video

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMVN1EWxfAU"]YouTube - Darwins Comet Orchid[/ame]

It's an example of micro evolution, but its evolution nonetheless.

 

[VideoJinx]

"But Darwin predicted, that somewhere in madigascar there must be a gigantic moth with a tongue, 12 inches long."

Yup thats an example/proof of evolution:S

 

[Zeonix]

He made a prediction using his observations and knowledge of science, and that prediction was proven to be true. So:

Evolution: 1
Creationism: 0

And that's just this one case.

 

[VideoJinx]

He made a prediction using his observations and knowledge of science, and that prediction was proven to be true. So:

yea but you missed the point o_o

 

[Zeonix]

Enlighten me. What is your point?

 

[VideoJinx]

The vid don't show micro evolution or evolution...

 

[Zeonix]

Do you know what microevolution is?

 

[VideoJinx]

Do you o_o

 

[Spunky]

Nice response Jinx. Way to help your case.

 

[VideoJinx]

Spunky.. care to show how the vid demonstrates micro evolution?

 

[MC]

The orchid in the video was an example of micro evolution.

Edit

Err... The moth was, not the orchid.

 

[Zeonix]

First, find out what microevolution is. Then watch the video. If you still don't understand, and I feel you made the attempt, I'll explain it to you. You didn't do me any favors when I asked for accurate information and credible sources, so I'm not doing any for you.

Search for yourself.

 

[VideoJinx]

I know what micro evo is..

The vid doesn't represent that


how do you think it does ? Oh.... i get it... You basicly just stepped in dog poo and dont want to let anyone know =O mmk bai...

 

[MC]

I know what micro evo is..

The vid doesn't represent that


how do you think it does ?

In order for the moth to have extracted the nectar from the orchid, it needed a tongue that was long enough to reach the bottom of the nectar stem.

Scientists were looking for this particular moth, Xanthopan morganii, even before they were sure of its existence. The 19th-century naturalist Charles Darwin, studying an orchid whose nectar-producing organs lay 30 cm (12 in) inside the flower structure, hypothesized that there must be a moth with a tongue long enough to pollinate it. He proved to be correct: This Madagascan species, with the long front wings and thick body characteristic of other hawk moths, has a proboscis that measures between 30 and 35 cm (12 and 14 in) in length.

Source: http://encarta.msn.com/media_461530192_761578331_-1_1/Darwin's_Hawk_Moth.html

 

[VideoJinx]

MC... what you just posted was the equivalent of this example.


Hrmm that kid's hand smells like an orange, I predict that he eats oranges..

then one day some one spots him eating an orange... SUCCESS~~~ is that micro evolution?

 

[Zeonix]

Judging by your post, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, Jinx. How you can compare an animal evolving to cope with its surrounding environment to orange-smelling hands and think you've made sense, I don't know.

 

[VideoJinx]

an animal evolving to cope with its surrounding environment

Where in the vid does it show/talk about that ? Are you assuming its evolution?

 

[Zeonix]

You caught me, Jinx. I made it all up.