Do you belive in aliens?

[Robby]

I don't know of any stars older than the universe... that's because I'm a god damn simp.

Might want to check out some sites by searching:

www.google.com

 

[Zeonix]

There are no existing stars older than our universe.

 

[Rayna]

There are no existing stars older than our universe.

That would be asuming our universe is the only one to exist. Which dosent have to be true.

 

[Zeonix]

I actually meant to type "There are no existing stars in our universe that are older than our universe". I figured someone would bring up alternate universes.

 

[Future_SSJGohan]

If the big bang made this whole universe then who made the big bang? ........ Umm I don’t believe in aliens because I am Christian and it states that God created us [humans] and has made this earth for a specific reason.... it is called a privileged planet for a reason you know...... while the others such as the 8 closest to us are not privileged ..... They are either too far away from the sun or are too close to the sun for living things to exist.... but we, earth are in a perfect position… not too close, not too far. The earth contains the elements needed for life [Oxygen, Nitrogen,etc], and on top of that, WE can live on it........ Not to mention that this earth holds perfect gravity for us so we don’t fly off into space and eventually die….. Our gravity is perfect….. This can’t just be a big coincidence that the earth was lucky planet to get all this.......there must be some crafty work behind this, and that’s a fact.

 

[Zeonix]

Right...Mars was pretty much like Earth before things went downhill. I suppose it was smited for being similar to the Earth. There are also 10 planets in our solar system now. Yet another planet has been found in the Kuiper Belt and it's larger than Pluto. To believe we are the only sentient beings in the universe and the universe was basically built for us is obnoxious and highly egotistical. Of course, thats just my opinion.

 

[real goku]

there is life like microorgansims and stuff.. everybody knows that.
but i don't belive in aliens on earth who are seen by crazy people who drank too much...

the earth is a complex planet.. a lot of coincidences happend for letting the earth become how it is (climate, air and stuff) which enable life for us humans..

i think if there is another planet in the universe with similar qualilties like on earth, there is extraterrestrial life. But there has to happen a lot of coincidences to this planet which is not so realistic.
but we don't know many planets, so it really could be possible that there is a second earth. and if scientist find this second earth one day, i will start believing in aliens in human form...
but i don't think they would act like aliens in movies and i don't think they would visit us, not even in thousand years, cause the distance would be too far. even for superaliens with fantastic technologies.
and if they could and wouldn't be peaceful, i don't think they wouldn't attack us or something, cause earth is such a wastefull planet, so i really don't think they woul dbe interested in earth at all and the only reason why they could be interested, are the sources, but they are not the biggest, too.

so don't be afraid of aliens!! :laff:

 

[Fire Phoenix]

According to astronomers the big bang theory is still taking effect. If we look into space one way, the further we look the younger everything is. Vice Versa when we look the other way. Everything is older. But then again, we won't ever know how we got here, we can only accept it. The big bang theory isn't how we got here, it's the only rational thing we can think of. "oh a whichyamacallit the size of a soccer ball exploded in 1 1zillionth of a second causing planets and nebulas and life YEY!" okay... then where did that come from?

So many questions

Of course there is life on other planets. If we are here, then there are other planets with life as well. Hell there might be other planets with humans, dogs, cats, etc. Then there might be some with dinosaurs. Then there might be some with little little green bodies a huge head with huge black eyes.

 

[Rayna]

Not to mention that this earth holds perfect gravity for us so we don’t fly off into space and eventually die….. Our gravity is perfect…..

"fly off to space and eventually die"? Without gravity you would never have been sitting there typing that in the first place. "We" would not exist/have existed at all, simple as that.

If there really are extraterrestrial creatures flying around in machines (or living, elsewhere, which actually makes more sense) wouldnt that kick the "we, the ones and only unique humans" theory in the face real good once and for all. At the risk of being wrong, since I have yet to come across one, I'm pretty sure they're existance is a fact.

 

[Zeonix]

FYI real goku: We can safely stand on any terrestrial planet without fear of floating away. There is no perfect gravity. We're accustomed to Earth's gravity, so its good for us. If we were to go to Mars or back to the Moon, We would still be able to walk around. However, if a person were to live on Mars for a few years and come back to Earth, that person would feel extremely uncomfortable as our gravity is greater than Mars's gravity. So basically, it has more to do with our ability to adapt that your God giving the Earth "perfect gravity".

 

[bile]

I dont really see the big deal ... We are on a rock swinging around a ball of gas, in the middle of an endless ocean of rocks swinging around other balls of gas, and some flinging around randomly..

Tbh .. Its if there are no other forms of life out there ... then what a waste of space.

Statistically ... Being that the Universe never ends ... there is a 100% chance of there being another planet exactly the right distance from the right sun, to support life

the odds of us finding running into another intelligent life form is slim to none, by the time we are capable of Traveling the amount of distance it would require to find another suitable planet for life, we will all be dead. and it wont matter


And tbh If i was an alien ... and I saw this planet .. id be like ... woah man **** that. Cause those crazy humans are all about probing dead aliens, and bad stuff.


Finding micro-organisms to me is not suprising at all... In order have an atmosphere you pretty much need microscopic organisms... and even then ... possibilities of space are completly endless, and you could litterally hurt your brain trying to think of them all. id say to not really worry about it. Its just a cool idea,

We will be loooong since dead by the time the human race is even remotly capable of interacting with anything out of our own solar system.


As for the god stuff .. meh .. ill take spontaneous generation of atmos over an invisible man in the sky.

questions like who came first the chicken or the egg... what was the first mollecule .. blah blah .. nobody knows, nobody ever will...

Truth is everything comes from something else, so what started it all? god? if there is a god, where did it come from? spontaneous generation? meh whatever boats your float.

All the same in the end, we're just a bunch of specs, on a rock, which inturn is also a spec, rotating around a star, which is a spec, ect ect ect.

We can guess and guess and guess and it wont make any difference.

In my personal opinion there are far less holes in theories from science, then there are in a bible.

Nothing wrong with religion or science. its all about what gets you through your day.

 

[Zeonix]

The Universe does end. The fact that it is expanding confirms this. What lies beyond the universe will be forever unknown.

If I were an alien, I'd land my ass down here as fast as I could. I mean, a planet whos surface is 70% water? Thats just friggin amazing.

Microscopic organisms aren't needed to form an atmosphere.

It may happen sooner than you think. Unless we're as advanced as it gets, theres no reason for anyone not to contact us. THe nearest star is only 34 lightyears away. Surely SOMEONE must have found the means to travel faster than the speed of light considering light isn't the fastest anything in the universe. Hell, thought is faster than light. We're bound to meet someone--publicly or not.

 

[Killface]

The problem isn't exactly having a large enough ship, or enough fuel, but the incredible distances. (I don't mean to pick on you Walmart, but I wanted to clear this idea up, as I've heard it before. =P) The only time a significant amount of fuel is required is when the ship fights against a planet's atmosphere on launch (and possibly a good amount on landing, depending on the method of landing). Navigation through space itself takes very little fuel, only to rotate the ship to follow the flight path; an object moving on a straight course in space, baring any gravitational interaction, will continue to do so indefinately, in theory. Actually, a few of our early probes (Voyager, Pioneer) are coming upon their exit of our solar system. Voyager 1, launched in 1977, is the most distant human-made object in the Universe, at 8.7 billion miles from the Sun.

Getting back on track, that leads to the real problem. Distance and time. The size of the Universe is seemingly infathomable. It's so large, we don't even know if it's infinate or not. (I personally don't believe it is, but if it isn't, is it a sphere? Does it "wrap around" itself like a good ol' 2D sidescroller? I couldn't give a good answer.) Voyager 1 was launched 28 years ago, and is just now leaving our solar system. Your lifespan would expire millions of times over on a trip to a neighboring galaxy. There's a large variety of solutions to that problem, such as cryogenic freezing, biodome-type ships able to sustain entire communities for an indefinate period of time, instantaeous teleportation (wormholes, etc), and many others.

So, therein lies the problem. Thinking mathematically, there almost have to be other intelligent civilizations out there. The problem is, given our lifetimes and methods of travel and communication, will we ever meet them?

See, i was trying to say that If we wanted to get to another galaxy that is 2.7 Trillion miles away from earth(lets just say) in... lets say 10 years, then there isnt enough fuel to accelerate a space ship to a fast enough speed to get us to that galaxy that is 2.7 Trillion miles away, thats what I meant.

 

[Fire Phoenix]

I dont really see the big deal ... We are on a rock swinging around a ball of gas, in the middle of an endless ocean of rocks swinging around other balls of gas, and some flinging around randomly..

Tbh .. Its if there are no other forms of life out there ... then what a waste of space.

Statistically ... Being that the Universe never ends ... there is a 100% chance of there being another planet exactly the right distance from the right sun, to support life

the odds of us finding running into another intelligent life form is slim to none, by the time we are capable of Traveling the amount of distance it would require to find another suitable planet for life, we will all be dead. and it wont matter


And tbh If i was an alien ... and I saw this planet .. id be like ... woah man **** that. Cause those crazy humans are all about probing dead aliens, and bad stuff.


Finding micro-organisms to me is not suprising at all... In order have an atmosphere you pretty much need microscopic organisms... and even then ... possibilities of space are completly endless, and you could litterally hurt your brain trying to think of them all. id say to not really worry about it. Its just a cool idea,

We will be loooong since dead by the time the human race is even remotly capable of interacting with anything out of our own solar system.

1. As Zeo already stated: Yes the Universe does end. Try to keep up with astronomy -.- We know this because like I said earlier the big bang theory is still taking effect. Now if that's true, then the outter most part of the universe (the oldest part) is expanding making room for the new part. That means it has to end. Again as Zeo stated.

As for us not having the technology to travel such distances.... wrong again. We have the technology. We have batteries that can run for 10 years or more with out dying out. We have solar powered equipment. We have a fuel source so great that a pound of plutonium is equal to that of 1 million pounds of coal. And it lasts for 20 or so years.

Don't tell me we can't travel the speed of light or faster, or don't have the technology. What we don't have is fuel. Our rockets use Hydrogen. And finding raw hydrogen is hard to find. Sure we can take water, or soap or anything that has a **** load of hydrogens and split the molecule to get the raw element, but the energy required to that is incredibly hard to do, expensive, and requires more energy than it's worth. With enough fuel, we can easily reach and go beyond the speed of light. It's the acceleration that's hard to do. It's the same as turning an F-18 at a 45º angle going 100 mph. The jet can handle it, the human body can't the blood would rush out of your head and you'd pass out. We can reach the speed of light, but we can't go from 0 to 3 x 10^8 m/s in 3 seconds. It has to be gradual.

But the problem with all this is leaving our atmosphere. In order to leave our atmosphere you need enough fuel. But then you need a bigger body to hold the fuel. Well that bigger body makes it weigh more, so you add more fuel, increasing the size. Etc etc. So we can only hold so much. We can easily leave our solar system. We saw a satelite do it in 70 or so years. We can easliy do it in 1 or 2 years if we had the fuel to do it. And of course there is the money issue.

With space having no friction what so ever, the law (i forgot the name of it) an object in motion will stay in motion unless another force is acted upon. Well if you can stay clear of planets, or stars, or anything else with a gravitational pull, and keep your rockets fired, you'll go faster and faster and faster and you won't stop going faster until you turn the boosters off. Reaching 30,000,000,000 m/s wouldn't be so hard if we had the fuel.

If we encountered an actual alien... we wouldn't kill it and experiment it. We'd try to interact with it. If we found it dead... yes we would perform and autopsy. Don't jump to conclusions based on watching the movie Independance Day.

Btw: the nearest star (revolving around ever star are planets= a solar system) is Alpha Centuri (unless they found a closer one) which I believe is 4.3 light years away. Considering how far other solar systems and galaxies are, that's INCREDIBLY close.

::EDIT::
My bad. The closest star is Proxima Centuri which is 4.2 light years away. If we can travel the speed of light, we can go to another solar system in 4 years.

 

[Zeonix]

Wow, my bad. Alpha Centauri is 4.3 light years away. Ok, so that just helps us then. Alien bastages are THAT much closer to us now considering I was WAAAAYYYY off. See? Even dieties make mistakes sometimes. The reason why I didn't mention Proxima Centauri is that most people don't think it could help produce life. Alpha Centauri on the other hand is believed to be able to support life (cause its a main sequence star and is very similar to our own sun).

And no. We can't travel at the speed of light yet. The best we have are ion engines that haven't been perfected yet (nor are they being officially used yet). Rockets can only go so fast before they reach their maximum velocity. So far, we can probably go like....mach 20 or something. Nowhere near light speed, anyhow.

Rockets can't ever go 30 gazillion miles an hour. Fuel is important, but so is time. Ion engines can keep on going for an extremely long time since they're powered by electricity which is produced by a nuclear power plant. Humans wouldn't be able to make the trip anyhow since we wouldn't be able to store enough food for the next 40, 50, 60, or however many years it takes to keep them alive. Lots of other things that would kill us as well. For now, we need to find a way to travel at the speed of light and after that, how to go super luminal. If we can't do that, we should focus on worm holes and how to produce them and make them end up where we want to go.

 

[Fire Phoenix]

Wow, my bad. Alpha Centauri is 4.3 light years away. Ok, so that just helps us then. Alien bastages are THAT much closer to us now considering I was WAAAAYYYY off. See? Even dieties make mistakes sometimes. The reason why I didn't mention Proxima Centauri is that most people don't think it could help produce life. Alpha Centauri on the other hand is believed to be able to support life (cause its a main sequence star and is very similar to our own sun).

I made the same mistake: I thought Alpha Centuri was over 50,000 light years away.

We are so interested in Alpha Centuri because it is one of the relatively few places in the Milky Way Galaxy that may offer terrestrial life conditions. If humanity looks for intelligent life elsewhere, then Alpha Centauri is an excellent candidate <-- taken from a website.

 

[Zeonix]

I editted my post a bunch of times as I read your post <_<. So far, we haven't found any terrestrial planets. Only gas giants. However:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/ind...e=UPI-1-20051130-21022500-bc-us-exoplanet.xml

Finding terrestrial planets may have become a lot easier. Normally, it's almost impossible to see them because of the Sun. Not only is it extremely bright, but we can only detect the "wobbles" caused by the gas giant's gravitational pull. A terrestrial planet's gravitational pull is nowhere near as strong, so its harder to find.

 

[bile]

if you pump air into a bicycle pump, you have to stop at some point right?

If you pump your bicycle pump when its not attached to anything you can pump forever ...


hence .. the universe is the same way .. It is expanding, however, if the universe infact did end, it would cease to expand.... make sense?

Also ... if the univers does "end" persay ... what is at the end? a giant box going aroun d the whole universe keeping everything inside? nothingness? a giant casing of Tofu?



when the universe stops expanding I will believe that it ends.


till then .. Ill just keep goin with the "Infinate" ideal.

If it just keeps expanding, the size is Infinate.

Its like a function ... y=Xty where y equals the size of the universe, and x = the rate of expansion and t = Time
[i just made this up and its probly horribly wrong, it would actually incure using an infinatly sized array where you get the rate of expansion over time added to the old size of the universe ect ect ...]

While you can look at it like .. well right now .. atthis very second .. the univers is x size your already wrong, because by the time you figured it out, its already larger, because its currently expanding

The size of the universe is infact a function. It goes on forever.

common sense ftw.

 

[Zeonix]

Thats warped logic.

If the universe is expanding, then it must have had a beginning. As the Oracle said, "Everything that has a beginning has an end." Obviously it ends somewhere if it's growing. If it was infinite, it wouldn't grow and it wouldn't shrink. It would simply be. The universe also can't keep expanding forever. Think of a rubber band. Either you will keep stretching it until it breaks or you will let go and it will begin to contract.

Want to know what the end of the universe is? The atom. From the atom, it goes to the second smallest particle, and then it keeps getting larger and larger until we end right back where we started. Happy? The Simpsons win.

Your function only proves my point.

Again: Anything that is infinite has no beginning and has no ending. It doesn't grow, it doesn't shrink. It just is.

Edit: You just changed the formula and now its just bs.

 

[KidMan]

If you think about it, The universe is HUGE so to think that we are the only ones around is pure ignorance. I mean, there HAS to be at least ONE other living thing out there.

EDIT: Also they already know the universe exspanded and contracts. It goes out to its furthest point and then it comes back and crushes everything to a single point then the big bang happens again and the whole processes happens again.