Descending Animation

[VuLLs]

piccolo, buu, krillian, frieza, cell do not need descending animations as once they ascend they never descend.

only saiyans descend and when the do it blinks out and goes bleep sound. its just like goten and trunks fusion when it runs out it goes bleep and they go back to normal. remember when they fought buu. as realistic as it gets here in the gaming world and storyline.

cell dies never descended to normal cell he is still perfect in the underworld. same with king cold, frieza, and metal cooler. and krillian losing his hair? does not make sense lol.

piccolo fused with 2 nameks. he cannot descend and lose them. one is apart of him and the other is some dude he tried to save on namek. he should not be able to descend in my opinion.

we dont need descending animations

 

[Fire Phoenix]

piccolo, buu, krillian, frieza, cell do not need descending animations as once they ascend they never descend.

only saiyans descend and when the do it blinks out and goes bleep sound. its just like goten and trunks fusion when it runs out it goes bleep and they go back to normal. remember when they fought buu. as realistic as it gets here in the gaming world and storyline.

cell dies never descended to normal cell he is still perfect in the underworld. same with king cold, frieza, and metal cooler. and krillian losing his hair? does not make sense lol.

piccolo fused with 2 nameks. he cannot descend and lose them. one is apart of him and the other is some dude he tried to save on namek. he should not be able to descend in my opinion.

we dont need descending animations

no offense you need to check your sources better x.x frieza and piccolo do decend..also piccolo fused with nail and kami... and frieza can decend cuz those are just his forms. he said "rarely" did anyone see his forms. that means he can trans or detrans on will, just because he didnt in the show doesnt mean he can't decend. same with piccolo

ontopic: i wouldn't mind it... bit if im in a heated battle im not worried if an animation worked or not. or if something "looks" cool. usually people decend for well number of reasons. just cuz they can trans or have transed doesnt mean they will or stay transed

 

[DaRkOwNs]

no for one piccolo cannot descend after he absorbs another namekian at least in the show im not sure what theyre doing here but its not like he can spit the other guys out he can only decend from his powered up state

id like to see this but to alter the models would take up pointless ammounts of time and were already on edge for it to come out

 

[VuLLs]

ya piccolo cannot descend a fused namekian, buu could descend into good buu but i doubt that since he doesnt in the movie... good buu to weak. cell could descend by spitting up the androids but doesnt when he is in the underworld they draw him in perfect form, talking to the other guys that goku killed.

i never heard frieza say he could descend he just said he has other forms his body can mutate into to make him stronger, thus in time he could have infinite forms. aka cooler his brother had more forms then frieza because he lived longer, and king cold his dad was a little bit different in form as well.

krillian losing his hair when he descends also does not fit the game or storyline or make any sense in the facts of life... he gets hair from baldness then goes bald again?... not truely capable but what ever its a cartoon.

i know why they put descending on some characters and not on others... the ones with descending ability are so they can summon dragon in normal form and get more strength. when u ascend your power is times by 1.5 or 2 depending on your character thus making u stronger.

the guys that cannot descend like buu and cell are more powerful so they did not allow them to have that feature of gaining more strength when summon dragon. this only works on ktn_arena... or so.

 

[Ravendust]

Cell couldn't decend by spitting up the other androids, he was punched in the stomach and he vomitted 18 out, when he was killed the z fighters wished back everyone who he had killed so that ressurected 17 too.

The reason he was perfect in the afterlife was because after turning into a bomb and blowing himself up he regnerated/rebuilt himself as Super Perfect Cell, which was even more powerful than Perfect Cell and didn't require 18 to be inside of him.

As for the whole Frieza thing, Vegeta tells Krillin that he stays in his most basic form to conserve energy, however once he is killed he doesn't need to conserve energy because forms are much easier to control in the otherworld (Goku says this when going SSJ3 on the lookout later on in the Buu Saga) and because he realised theres much more powerful people than him in his Final Form. Coola discovered the new form after Frieza and King Cold had died. King Cold stayed in the second changeling form (Frieza's current trans in ESF, getting bigger and growing horns) because he was a commanding figure and needed stature, I assume he could reach all the same forms as Frieza.

Anyway I thought maybe for SSJ3 Goku's descending animation just have the hair retract (by having the models hairs bone length shrink) then fade out, keeping it nice and simple.

 

[Rocky]

Actually for Goku's descension i think it should have him falling on his knees trying to catch his breath because of the enormous strain ssj3 has on the body, and whilst on his knees his hair will slowly retract like in Ravendust's description

 

[Cap J]

First off, android 17 was not ressurected by the dragon balls (the dragon says he can't be brought back).

Second off, Piccolo could split as that was how him and Kami became seperate to begin with.

Anyway, I like the idea of a decend animation but it could be hard to get just the right amount of time for one to last.

 

[Rocky]

Android 17 was brought back by the dragonballs the dragon was only unable to turn the androids into human form. So they instead wished the androids bombs to be removed.
You're right about Piccolo though, his descension could have him going on his knees shaking and the other form splits and slowly disappears.

 

[DaRkOwNs]

ravendust wrote: The reason he was perfect in the afterlife was because after turning into a bomb and blowing himself up he regnerated/rebuilt himself as Super Perfect Cell, which was even more powerful than Perfect Cell and didn't require 18 to be inside of him.

well i just wanna make this clear that the way cell returned in his super perfect cell form was that when he exploded ONE SINGLE cell remained and it just so happened that it was a cell from the perfect cell body previously so he rebuilt himself off of his perfect cell so NOW HE HAS NO IMPERFECT CELLS that was why he came back so much more powerful he didnt have a trace of the imperfect cells. the imperfect cells had far less energy in them then the perfect ones did

once again just making that clear to everybody

 

[DaRkOwNs]

sorry for making a seperate post but theres a whole buncha crappy spyware on my computer so i cant edit my post or the window crashes but the only reason piccolo could split is because he had an evil side inside him and so he was able to isolate it out he cannot do this anymore since there is no more evil left in him and i dont see why he would want to anyway

 

[Jumin]

hey, what about descending when you run out of ki?? Like you can see them struggling to keep the form, but they end up reverting. i don't know about the other races, but keeping ssj IS difficult, right?

 

[VuLLs]

wow look what i started... lol...

dude... cell, buu, krillian, and piccolo shouldnt be allowed to descend. period.

why? because when you descend and call the dragon for strength... you get more power when u ascend. its multiplyer is 1.5 to 2 depending on your character. buu, and cell are strong enough. and notice they do not descend any ways? (in 1.2.1) once they mutate they dont de-mutate.

but frieza can de-mutate, and krillian... and piccolo can descend... it doesnt make sense... the mod-ers probably think they needed more power from the dragon balls strength wish.

i was only trying to point this out from the gameplay point of view not cartoon movie view, but obviously u all got into a little episode fight about rather or not cell/frieza can puke out andriods and de-mutate. we know they can in the storyline of the movies n crap, but for gameplay reasons the "why this and not that feature" was implied by me because...

why is buu and cell not allowed to descend but frieza and piccolo can? thats all i was trying to get at guys. and then i answered my own question kinda and told u guys. but u didnt read carefully enough. so i wrote this big post and hopefully your little confusion will end.

 

[Rocky]

Well if all the other characters are able to descend and get more power from the dragonballs it is unfair for Cell and Buu to not have this ability. Even if the team decide not to allow Buu/Cell to descend this thread is about an animation to be played when a person descends which by all accounts IS a good idea.

 

[VuLLs]

rocky,

thats because they dont have a power multiplyer. if they get a descend animation then they would... and thus make them stronger and more unfair... thus those certain characters that i've mentioned before shouldnt have descending animations. plus when u descend and ya fight u gain more power faster when u ascend. because its multiplyer is 1.5 to 2.

and for like krillian and piccolo descending... its purpose for gameplay reasons, is unknown, also its purpose for following the movie is also unknown... as in the movie they never descend and lose hair or kami or nail... or demutate. aka cooler, frieza, perfect cell, good piccolo.

and piccolo cannot refuse kami or nail to descend, he would become way weaker and nail would die.

frieza descending for gameplay reasons is to see his "pretty" models i guess... and different attacks i suspose... i guess i can live with frieza descending... but krillian, piccolo, and buu, and cell should not descend.

the saiyans can and i dont care if u guys want ssj3 descending animation where "goku" goes arrg since he is the only ssj3. but your forgetting ssj2... all the saiyans going ssj2 and descending animations would not be nearly as kool as ssj3... so why bother lol.

so now do u understand at what i was getting at?

 

[Rocky]

I thought you muted me but anyway,

I understand what you're getting at but the various animations will be unique for each character, Goku's ssj3 will be awesome but Vegeta going from Majin back to ssj2 or whatever they decide could have Vegeta screaming and trying to chase Babidi out of his mind which could be equally awesome if not moreso than Goku's descension.

 

[VuLLs]

ya for explaination reasons my mute goes off when i clear my cookies. so what ever i saw your message and elaborated a bit... oh well. do u wish to be muted forever? your choice.

and yes i never thought of that ... majin vegeta for evil side only... he would have a M on forehead and the good team's vegeta would not have an M on the forehead.

the Majin Vegeta would have a higher starting ki level. and a higher life boost when he ascends... cool?

 

[Rocky]

Mute me if you want I honestly don't care,
But if real good/evil teams are on then only the Evil Vegeta with the M would be available. I mean that when Vegea descends from Majin level that he tries to rid himself of Babidi's control and you could have a .wav file of him saying "Get out of my head" in some cool Vegeta voice, and maybe have a little Babidi cloud float out of Vegeta and slowly fade symbolising that Babidi no longer has control. Anyway this is just a suggestion it may sound a bit lame alter it if you want.

 

[VuLLs]

heh...

im not talking about losing the M or gaining the M... the evil vegeta will have the M always on forehead and its ki and special abilities. the good vegeta will never have the M or ki level or ki attacks or combos. and ya with real teams on... kinda be cool.

but evil vegeta losing the Majin would make him good vegeta where he kills him self for trunks and saiyan pride in doing so he gets to come back like goku did in the act of doing good.

so i think there should be two diff classes altogether. majin vegeta and regular good vegeta... majin with more ki starting power and more life when ascending, also his ki damage would be some what greater then the good vegetas... but the good vegeta could go ape in form 1... heh i wish.

so wouldnt make sense for evil vegeta to gain majin then lose majin and still be evil...

 

[Rocky]

Oh i see what you mean now...But there is already too many good characters, and in 1.3 I think there's gonna be even more, thats why I think they originally put Vegeta in the evil section. Also isn't Majin going to be one of Vegeta's transformations? If its only for 'evil' Vegeta than what about the good one? they'll need something new for him too

 

[VuLLs]

ya thats why im hoping for ape form... plus they may add nappa and sebi men and we know their adding captain ginyu... so if its gonna be of the frieza and cell saga they might as well add ape form and nappa... plus all the other ginyu guys that fight goku and get the crap beaten out of em. heh also the androids...