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Frieza: I have various ideas for Frieza. Here goes.

Fingerlaser suggestion: To give primary some use, make it so it cuts current opponents health in half. Ie, if they're at 100, it gets cut to 50. If 50, gets cut to 25. 25 gets cut to 13 (rounded up). If 160, gets cut to 80, and so on.

Fingerlaser alernative: Make secondary a beam attack with the capabilities of power struggling. As with an explosion radius of, and as fast as Burning Attack, with charge time and strength of Galick Gun. Turning ability of kienzan ( :scared: ). I find this is a better alternative. It would remove the spammability of today. It would also be a good idea to make this primary, and move current primary attack to secondary attack. Speed is arguable. I'd just like to see Frieza with a beam attack other than the generic ki attack.

Flaming Headbutt (new attack): Similar to melee, except you don't have to target, and it must be charged. Key: Assigned to number 7. Sprite: Frieza engulfed in white, with some red trim around it, flying from one side to the other. What happens: Frieza-player presses and holds primary attack. Charge bar comes up as Frieza hunches over, brings feet up, and clenches fist (thus, even when standing, Frieza lifts slightly off the ground). Once it's gotten enough power, a white aura with some red around it (hence, the sprite), which is just barely large enough for Frieza to fit in, and as the attack slowly reaches maximum power, the aura increases in size. When the player releases primary attack, Frieza flies through the air with a little more speed than the basic swoop. When hit, the opponent glows with fire, and when he hits the ground he takes the damage of a generic beam.

http://www.angelfire.com/empire2/sinkaro/new.html There is a page which has some pictures showing a demonstration that somewhat depicts what I'm talking about (be patient, they're bitmaps).

I don't like the idea of "telekenisis." While I find it would be interesting that you're making him use some of the more under-handed techniques, I just don't see it being a very good idea. I also would like to suggest making Frieza's transformation permanent.

Vegeta:

Renzoku Kikou Ha: Ok, I can understand a nerfing of Vegeta due to the power of FF and BBA... But YEESH!!! I thought you'd be adding RKH for the purposes of being unique. Now frankly a lot (and I mean a LOT) of people hate you for the pain of it all.

Suggestion: Don't reduce Vegeta's speed, and give it the charge time of the generic beam. I mean, RKH WAS generic, afterall...

Final Flash: Make explosion radius smaller.

Big Bang Attack: Make explosion radius bigger... For it's name-sake!!!

PS: I'd appreciate it if only the ESF team and beta testers commented.
 
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Posting this in a public forum leaves it open for open discussion.

I think that your flaming head butt should be the replacement of Frieza's melee.

FF, and BBA are fine, if they made FF smaller and BBA bigger, they would be the same size. What would be the point of two equally powered attacks where one is controllable and one isnt. To make it fair they should switch the size of the explosions.

Vegeta's 6 "Renzoku Kikou Ha" does suck, you get more with a normal KI blast right click! They should increase the number of blasts and make it instant, but weaken every blast a lot, and make the drain of energy high. Basically faster weaker version, but no charge.

And again, I do not care if you only wanted the team to reply.
 

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aye, as do i.. its a good idea...

one i wonder why it wasnt in it in the first place?...
 
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i dont like the second finger laser attack of frieza but i love that flaming attack(and btw he should have both that flaming attack and melee)
 
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The flaming headbutt would be a pretty cool idea, especially since they are revamping melee so the insta smashes of today will be mostly gone. If the headbutt prduced an insta smash that would make it unique to the rest of the melee system. The fingerlaser suggestions are a BAD idea though. Anything that cuts health in half like that, instant and unblockable is cheap, plain and simple. Fingerlasers now are not cheap, because althought they do damage, they are very easy to avoid, but the first one almost always hits, because you are not expecting it.

Vegeta's renzoku definiely needs tweaking. I think you should have to charge it, which would determine the rate of fire of the ki blasts, but when you fire it should keep going until you manually stop or run out of ki. It would fit Vegeta's own freak out style much better, plus his go for broke attitude. pee dubya enn

BTW FF and BBA are pretty much balanced. FF is controllable and powerful, but easy to spot, slow moving, and leaves Vegeta vulnerable for a long period of time. BBA is fast charging, pretty strong and hard to spot, but not as powerful as FF and not controllable. If I want to take out one or two guys I use BBA. If I want to nuke the map, FF it is, but I make sure I get somewhere safe.

I guess in layman's terms, FF is good at all the things BBA isn't, and BBA is good at all the things FF isn't.
 
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i dont think vegeta needs anymore attacks he has enought as it is,but the headbutt idea for frieza sounds pretty good
 

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