ill keep it short and sweet.. how bout being able to go USSJ before SSJ2? it could easily be translated into other forms for other non-saiyan chars, but neways.. since this is strictly a DBZ mod, no SSJ4-5/Golden Oozaru and all that, i think that USSJ should be a part of transformations because in the DBZ world, SSJ2 is really powerful, and it would be more realistic to have USSJ before the almighty SSJ2. what u all think?
Maybe make USSJ just a power up for SSJ form? I mean first you must perfect SSJ, and then USSJ would be something like chargable Turbo, it would change model to USSJ and the more you charge the slower, but more powerful you are!
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Or make a two way of evolution after SSJ you choose to change to USSJ or to SSJ2
while SSJ2 would be little faster speed multiplier 1.2x and little stronger PL multiplier 1.5x
then USSJ would be speed multiplier 0.6 but PL multiplier 3x
It would gave two choices pure power by the cost of speed or speed and power
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And in the series USSJ was used only by: Vegeta, Trunks and Goku
While SSJ2 by Gohan, Goku, and Vegeta(?? I'm not sure Vegeta, he was only SSJ but strenghtened up by Majin)
But better just gave two ways of evolution to all saiyans!! That way you could have two ending evolutions to choose SLOW+POWER, or speed+power
EDIT:
Or make a two way of evolution after SSJ you choose to change to USSJ or to SSJ2
while SSJ2 would be little faster speed multiplier 1.2x and little stronger PL multiplier 1.5x
then USSJ would be speed multiplier 0.6 but PL multiplier 3x
It would gave two choices pure power by the cost of speed or speed and power
EDIT2:
And in the series USSJ was used only by: Vegeta, Trunks and Goku
While SSJ2 by Gohan, Goku, and Vegeta(?? I'm not sure Vegeta, he was only SSJ but strenghtened up by Majin)
But better just gave two ways of evolution to all saiyans!! That way you could have two ending evolutions to choose SLOW+POWER, or speed+power
yea that'd be awesome... but it shouldnt drain ki, it should just make u slower and slower the more u powered up.. cuz if it DOES drain ki, theres no point cuz u cant do a whole lot of fighting be4 u have to power up again >_>.. either that or just, a new model for USSJ and a slower/more powerful character, and if u didnt like it u could just revert, and wait till u have enough for SSJ2
edit: it wouldnt be restricted to the saiyans, it could be implemented in different ways for other characters... like frieza could get his after his final form... like when he gets to 100% final form and gets all bulky and crap... same with cell final form.. and if i do recall correctly, piccolo did some attack where he got all big and strong n stuff.. and krillen could have his "hidden powers".. ofcourse the reprecussions to these forms would be reduced speed but dam, id do it.
edit: it wouldnt be restricted to the saiyans, it could be implemented in different ways for other characters... like frieza could get his after his final form... like when he gets to 100% final form and gets all bulky and crap... same with cell final form.. and if i do recall correctly, piccolo did some attack where he got all big and strong n stuff.. and krillen could have his "hidden powers".. ofcourse the reprecussions to these forms would be reduced speed but dam, id do it.
Hehe I edited my post in the time you added yours
but yeah make it without loosing KI it should be more alike that:
for example on Goku you have perfect SSJ already at 5.000.000 soo maybe USSJ should be used few millions later about 8.000.000 then you can Ascend to USSJ by pressing TURBO+ASCEND and you get(SSJ-2x+USSJ3x=6x) 48.000.000PL but very slow!! When you get to 10.000.000PL then you can ascend to SSJ2 and get(SSJ-2x+SSJ1.5x=3x) 30.000.000PL but be even faster! but if you liked more USSJ you can return to SSJ and still press Turbo+Ascend to change into USSJ! Soo in the game playing as a Saiyan you could easily choose if you want to be fast or powerful!
EDIT: Yeah to other characters could be alike, Frieza 100% is good, but his transformations are pernament, soo should it just be at his last trans? Picollo transformed himself to giant in DB after swallowing Kami, but maybe not make him a giant, just gave him something different! Maybe his clothes, yeah make him slower but gave him more deffence for every attacks!
lol EDIT2:
maybe 3xPL wouldn't be soo good for USSJ because SSJ(2x)+SSJ2(1.5x)=3xPL and SSJ(2x)+USSJ(3x)=6x twice more... well maybe USSJ should just gave 2xPL soo then SSJ(2x)+USSJ(2x)=4xPL it would still be stronger than SSJ2, but it would work out better(of course if USSJ would make speed half of original because if speed wouldn't dramatically get down people would just use more PL option for sure)!
but yeah make it without loosing KI it should be more alike that:for example on Goku you have perfect SSJ already at 5.000.000 soo maybe USSJ should be used few millions later about 8.000.000 then you can Ascend to USSJ by pressing TURBO+ASCEND and you get(SSJ-2x+USSJ3x=6x) 48.000.000PL but very slow!! When you get to 10.000.000PL then you can ascend to SSJ2 and get(SSJ-2x+SSJ1.5x=3x) 30.000.000PL but be even faster! but if you liked more USSJ you can return to SSJ and still press Turbo+Ascend to change into USSJ! Soo in the game playing as a Saiyan you could easily choose if you want to be fast or powerful!
EDIT: Yeah to other characters could be alike, Frieza 100% is good, but his transformations are pernament, soo should it just be at his last trans? Picollo transformed himself to giant in DB after swallowing Kami, but maybe not make him a giant, just gave him something different! Maybe his clothes, yeah make him slower but gave him more deffence for every attacks!
lol EDIT2:
maybe 3xPL wouldn't be soo good for USSJ because SSJ(2x)+SSJ2(1.5x)=3xPL and SSJ(2x)+USSJ(3x)=6x twice more... well maybe USSJ should just gave 2xPL soo then SSJ(2x)+USSJ(2x)=4xPL it would still be stronger than SSJ2, but it would work out better(of course if USSJ would make speed half of original because if speed wouldn't dramatically get down people would just use more PL option for sure)!
yea frieza would stay in the form before his "strong/slow" form, so u could still choose.. and i like your ideas but your numbers are too high lol.. gotta keep it in a reasonable range so its balanced, for the people just joining who have 800k PL... and USSJ i think should be at like 6 mil in SSJ form... and it would increase power by 2.5 IMO, making your PL 15mil, which is alot.. and transformation to SSJ2 should be like 20mil as USSJ form, and if u are training in norm form, that wont take very long to aquire due to the power multipliers.
edit: yea (USSJ = Speed x 0.5) i think its a great idea
edit: yea (USSJ = Speed x 0.5) i think its a great idea
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About the speed thing you guy's are probably right.. But USSJ is definetly not stronger than a ssj2. A SSJ2 is much much faster and alot stronger.
As for Frieza...those fans and, i guess even a saiyan fan like me would run to Frieza...
Frieza would have 3 transformations...Then he is perfect...
but he still will be able to increase strenght form 1%, 50% or 100%...
and if i am correct Frieza absolutly didnt got slower or weaker.
Het gained a whole lot stronger and faster. If i am correct he killed Goku.
But Goku return as the wished that everybody was revived who Frieza killed.
Anyway... I think the esf modeler would have alot of work. Cuz SSJ2, SSJ3 is coming...but USSJ would be part of some models, perhaps 2 or 3 models.
As for Frieza...those fans and, i guess even a saiyan fan like me would run to Frieza...
Frieza would have 3 transformations...Then he is perfect...
but he still will be able to increase strenght form 1%, 50% or 100%...
and if i am correct Frieza absolutly didnt got slower or weaker.
Het gained a whole lot stronger and faster. If i am correct he killed Goku.
But Goku return as the wished that everybody was revived who Frieza killed.
Anyway... I think the esf modeler would have alot of work. Cuz SSJ2, SSJ3 is coming...but USSJ would be part of some models, perhaps 2 or 3 models.
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jeah goku died on namek when fighting freeza.
i think ussj isnt a good form, as it will result in massive beamspamming, also beeing slower bugs me, ussj is a totally useless form. they never gained any benefit of gooing ussj. vegeta did power up to ussj, but never fought in it.
you can see him getting bigger and bigger, but then he slimmed down again.
i think ussj isnt a good form, as it will result in massive beamspamming, also beeing slower bugs me, ussj is a totally useless form. they never gained any benefit of gooing ussj. vegeta did power up to ussj, but never fought in it.
you can see him getting bigger and bigger, but then he slimmed down again.
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yah u r right
at first freeza killed goku by throwing him into the lava the he got revived and got stronger 10x to his sayan geans...the he transformed SSJ
well and the IDA of an USSJ is abit weard well no1 actualy know how wil the tranforming system will work at 1.3 if we will have 2nd transformations
so in fact USSJ is truely stronger then SSJ and slower then SSJ but SSJ2 is stronger and faster then USSJ ANS SSJ so yah it is nececery but it is abit of a troble to add theas mutch transformathins because u have to go up and down with the levels and pressing "Z" for about 3 times to tranfeom SSJ2 and deform for regular is hard work....
as for freeza he can only transform he cant deform so it would be alot easyer to do this with feeza....
at first freeza killed goku by throwing him into the lava the he got revived and got stronger 10x to his sayan geans...the he transformed SSJ
well and the IDA of an USSJ is abit weard well no1 actualy know how wil the tranforming system will work at 1.3 if we will have 2nd transformations
so in fact USSJ is truely stronger then SSJ and slower then SSJ but SSJ2 is stronger and faster then USSJ ANS SSJ so yah it is nececery but it is abit of a troble to add theas mutch transformathins because u have to go up and down with the levels and pressing "Z" for about 3 times to tranfeom SSJ2 and deform for regular is hard work....
as for freeza he can only transform he cant deform so it would be alot easyer to do this with feeza....
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USSJ 1 with vegeta was as Fast as Cell Form 2...
vegeta went USSJ 1 and Trunks USSJ 2...the really heavy form which has a giant KI and a low speed but The USSJ form of vegeta was a Middle Form...i would say a better SSJ
so USJ1 for vegeta would be nice
vegeta went USSJ 1 and Trunks USSJ 2...the really heavy form which has a giant KI and a low speed but The USSJ form of vegeta was a Middle Form...i would say a better SSJ
so USJ1 for vegeta would be nice
Hey it's only me or you guys saying that Goku was killed by Frieza? Well as I watched DBZ few times, he didn't killed him!!!! When Goku was throwed to lava, he used kamehameha to beamjump from there!!!! Goku never died on Namek!!!
And about USSJ even cell in his perfect form sayd to Trunks that he(trunks) is much stronger(even stronger than Perfect Cell) but also a lot slower than before, soo perfect Cell win with USSJ Trunks using speed not his PL!! Gohan was first that transformed SSJ2 but Gohan was much stronger than Trunks!! Also Speed is more important in fight than PL that's everyone think SSJ2 has more PL than USSJ, but as watching DBZ once more you would actually see that USSJ is stronger, but hell lot slower! SSJ2 give speed and power, but USSJ give slowdown but more POWER!!! Speed is a lot more important thing in fights soo SSJ2 is more powerful fighter, but actually USSJ has bigger PL!!
Also I think if it would be possible it would be better to gave two final transformations for saiyans USSJ and SSJ2 then everybody could choose between more POWER in the cost of speed or Speed AND power!!
And about USSJ even cell in his perfect form sayd to Trunks that he(trunks) is much stronger(even stronger than Perfect Cell) but also a lot slower than before, soo perfect Cell win with USSJ Trunks using speed not his PL!! Gohan was first that transformed SSJ2 but Gohan was much stronger than Trunks!! Also Speed is more important in fight than PL that's everyone think SSJ2 has more PL than USSJ, but as watching DBZ once more you would actually see that USSJ is stronger, but hell lot slower! SSJ2 give speed and power, but USSJ give slowdown but more POWER!!! Speed is a lot more important thing in fights soo SSJ2 is more powerful fighter, but actually USSJ has bigger PL!!
Also I think if it would be possible it would be better to gave two final transformations for saiyans USSJ and SSJ2 then everybody could choose between more POWER in the cost of speed or Speed AND power!!
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Humn i i remember correct Ussj is thep owered up version from ssj, so make it something like when your ssj, and you go on abit higher, and when you do your almost perfect trans the time where you need alite powering up, you can just press acedentto go ussj,
maybe make it something like EVM
maybe make it something like EVM
ok, i dont get why u guys are acting as though its written in stone, so if SSJ2 is def stronger than USSJ (what i thought) and USSJ is faster than what i suggested (or slower)then we only need 1 person 2 say it, no need 2 spam the same things.. im merely suggesting the blueprints.. as for the Frieza thing, and for other characters it would be to balance it, so they all have a "ussj form" and so u press Z to transform w/ multiple transes wuts the problem? u ever play EVM or EEA? and remember u could still do ADV melee the same, and if u ignor the USSJ whos charging the Final Flash in the middle of the map thats not his prob