Trans-killing

[jp]

I still let them transform, there is alway a way to kill them.
Besides, i do not mind losing, its about the fun.
And eventualy they get to confident, and then they make mistakes.
Mistakes, that will be their end. :devgrin:

 

[Rayna]

When I'm owning someone in every way I let him/her transform kuz I'll keep owning this person in the same way but gaining more pl.
If I consider a person a threat for me I'll be in this person's way much more often and I won't let him regain ki, charge attacks or transform, I give this person war.
If I consider a challenge that a person transforms then I will hesitate, but a person like that usually has the skill to outrun me and surprise me once he has transformed already. But for those who stop rigth in front of meh nose to transform just dosen't make a challenge for me at all and I have a lotta fun kickin them around.

Someone mentioned that in the show they don't interrupt a transformation, well that's usually because they are affraid and can't do **** (like when frieza transforms) or they are being foolish (like when vegeta lets cell absorb a18). ESF is a game and a very free one, this means that you can do things however you would do them if you were really there and you don't have to follow any rules based on how the characters act in the show, this is because we have a personality *Beware* -this last mentioned word may sound strange to weak individuals causing secondary effects as a minor headache-
Also someone said something I liked "Transforming is a privilege and not a right".
Now I'm not justifying beam whores who gain pl by transkilling and spirit bomb or SBC spamming, these are noobs.

 

[MysticUub]

the way i see it if u are in the middle of a fight then u deserve to be transkilled....but really...think about it...how many maps other than tom and battle arena have places for u to be able to trans?...none that i can think of...and the only reason y tom has a good place is because of the leaves in the trees...so saying "errr...hide to trans" isnt exactly a valid arguement when on 90% of the maps there ARENT places to hide..

if u dont like transing...dont do it...if u dont like fighting transed ppl when u arent..dont do it...its not right for ppl to be able to take a part of the game away just cause they cant handle it...after someone spawns they should be able to trans without being interrupted...i do agree however that if they are dumb enuff to use it to block or to trans in the middle of a fight they deserve to be blasted...thats just stupid on their part...what pisses me off is the ppl that like to hunt down ppl at their spawns and try to kill them while transing...its a pussy tactic that they use because they cant stand to lose...

 

[Final Vegeta]

I'm amazed people keep saying "I let them transform for the challenge." If he is anywhere near your skill and he is transformed while you are not, there is no challenge, you'll simply lose, really badly, over and over, especially if he uses beams. Transforming means more speed, more power, and more hit points, besides new attacks for some characters. If the person you are up against is so crappy that you can consistently beat them while they're transformed and you aren't then I guess that makes sense, but otherwise, killing someone who is about to transform and whoop you 50 times just makes more sense.

And im amazed more and more people dont consider this a game anymore but a winning streak.

 

[Rayna]

...what pisses me off is the ppl that like to hunt down ppl at their spawns and try to kill them while transing...its a pussy tactic that they use because they cant stand to lose...

Yeah man, peeps that do this do suck. I don't expressely kill ppl transforming, but if I pass by one in the middle of it I don't stop and stare ^^ Sometimes I just keep on with meh buisness though.

I also have to say this. Ya have to be very stupid to begin transforming if you spawn near me and even more stupid if you see meh charging a galit gun and you don't do something about it (like press x rofl and teleport), I say this to people that like admireing how their characters go "iaaa, iaaa aaaaaaa *yellow-ligths* iaaaa!!!" instead of paying attention to what's going on around them

 

[Phatslugga]

the way i see it if u are in the middle of a fight then u deserve to be transkilled....but really...think about it...how many maps other than tom and battle arena have places for u to be able to trans?...none that i can think of...and the only reason y tom has a good place is because of the leaves in the trees...so saying "errr...hide to trans" isnt exactly a valid arguement when on 90% of the maps there ARENT places to hide..

if u dont like transing...dont do it...if u dont like fighting transed ppl when u arent..dont do it...its not right for ppl to be able to take a part of the game away just cause they cant handle it...after someone spawns they should be able to trans without being interrupted...i do agree however that if they are dumb enuff to use it to block or to trans in the middle of a fight they deserve to be blasted...thats just stupid on their part...what pisses me off is the ppl that like to hunt down ppl at their spawns and try to kill them while transing...its a pussy tactic that they use because they cant stand to lose...

No, no one should be able to trans without being interupted. I know you worked hard for it (unless you're gohan or trunks), you want to see the awesome FX, and you want it to be all dramatic like the show but it's not going to happen. People.. when you transform you become stronger, why would anyone let you? In UT, do you LET people get the double damage, or the keg o health? No. Do you let them hop into that giant ass vehicle that kicks all ass that I don't know the name of? No.

I never understood why transkilling was so frowned upon, it just doesn't make sense to me. It should be treated like everything else that gives you an advantage, but for some reason it isn't. The only thing I can come up with is that some people want ESF to be dramatic like the show... well it's not, it's a fast paced game that doesn't have time for your drama... so save the drama for yo mama.

 

[Sonic the Vampire]

And im amazed more and more people dont consider this a game anymore but a winning streak.

I'm not sure what you're saying here, are you for or against? Killing someone while they are transforming is a part of the game, right? So is transforming and killing people, right? So either you're transforming to have an easier time of winning, or you're killing someone who is transforming to keep them from having it, and either way it's about winning. I mean, if you want to play role-play you can create a server for it but most people play to do the only thing you're really capable of in ESF which is killing other players.

 

[niobe]

i'm a noob in esf and even i know that killing while transforming cant even be possible, never saw a z fighter or other fighter being killd while transforming

 

[Kurachi]

i'm n00b too .. and i say the same : i think you're very good when you destroy your enemy when he's finished transforming IF they do it or else.... JUST DESTROY THEM

 

[MysticUub]

i see what u guys are sayin about not wanting to let them trans...but think about it...how many times is a trans killer gonna get in their face to do it?...they arent...they will do it from behind or across the map where the person transing cant even see it comming...so its like a free kill because u have no defense (other than melee immunity..which makes no sense if u can just be killed by a beam)...i mean for gods sake...even if they are paying attention and hear it comming...its not like it used to be where we could turn transing off and get away from the blast...u just cant do that with the way the game is now..and ppl know that...so they trans kill because they can..u should be able to trans 1 time every death without dieing...if u use up your ki and untrans its your fault and u should have to hide to trans again..

 

[DragonDude]

People.. when you transform you become stronger, why would anyone let you? In UT, do you LET people get the double damage, or the keg o health? No. Do you let them hop into that giant ass vehicle that kicks all ass that I don't know the name of? No.

Exactly.

People get all pissed off because they want it to be like DBZ where they power up, and everyone stands around and yells "Oh my God! His power level is eleventy-billion! We can't beat that!@#!%$*one!!1"
Well, this isn't like DBZ, and people don't want to sit around and gawk at you while you transform.
The number of people I've seen transform right in the middle of the map, or right in the middle of a fight is just ridiculous.
I play the game for my entertainment, not for yours.

 

[Final Vegeta]

I'm not sure what you're saying here, are you for or against? Killing someone while they are transforming is a part of the game, right? So is transforming and killing people, right? So either you're transforming to have an easier time of winning, or you're killing someone who is transforming to keep them from having it, and either way it's about winning. I mean, if you want to play role-play you can create a server for it but most people play to do the only thing you're really capable of in ESF which is killing other players.

Do you play with friends and lame them to hell with beam spamming, trans killing etc?

Hell no i dont becuase i want to have fun, i dont give a **** (respectfully) about winning, if i loose meh i lost, if i win meh i won, if i have fun now thats something id like to have.

And i find it hard to beleave that someone is having fun over being the biggest ***** around on a server (which you will become eventually if you play to win), if you do have fun on this however , get yourself checked.

And thats actually the only reason i still play this game, becuase there are still people around that would not trans kill, transblock, beam spam, melee whored all the time.

And with THAT kind of people i can have fun, and have a good game. Winning or Loosing has nothing to do with it.

 

[Sonic the Vampire]

You're reading too far into it. You seem to think that people who transkill also beam spam and only pick on weaker players, making them total bastards. That's not the case at all. People don't transkill because they're mean, they do it because the game allows it and it makes sense. If being unable to transform out in the open is prevening you from having fun on servers we can't help you because someone is probably going to find it a good idea to kill you.

Playing with friends is irrelevant because friends rarely use every aspect of the games to get an edge on you. Public servers are far more common than private servers and because of this they have to appeal to situations where you don't know everyone you're fighting.

And besides, just because I transkill once in a while doesn't mean I'm playing to win. Sometimes it means I don't want that person attacking me with way more speed and power than I have because I don't find that to be fun.

 

[[RaideN]]

I trans kill all the time, especially to idiots who trans mid fight because they don't want to lose, or to block my hits. Even if I see some random kid transforming, ill blob him. Whom ever said its not a right, it's a privilage is right. Ill kill who ever I see on my screen

 

[Kurachi]

hmm yeah.. sonic boyster is right... if you fight bots they won't let you transform so... just kill everybody :] ... i don't play esf online much because i like it to test my maps on LAN so i can search for bugs or other things... but i think you should kill your enemies without mercy

 

[imported_XXX]

When someone is fighting me and transformes in the middle of a fight then ill blast them to tiny bits....otherwise...no

 

[Hash]

If you're in a war, and you come face to face with the enemy, and he is out of ammo are you going to sit there and let them reload their gun because 'It's the honourable thing to do?' I doubt it. The same applies here, why let him take the upper edge? The key to this game is to attack when they're vulnerable or not paying attention.

Same opinion here.

 

[Phatslugga]

i see what u guys are sayin about not wanting to let them trans...but think about it...how many times is a trans killer gonna get in their face to do it?...they arent...they will do it from behind or across the map where the person transing cant even see it comming...so its like a free kill because u have no defense (other than melee immunity..which makes no sense if u can just be killed by a beam)...i mean for gods sake...even if they are paying attention and hear it comming...its not like it used to be where we could turn transing off and get away from the blast...u just cant do that with the way the game is now..and ppl know that...so they trans kill because they can..u should be able to trans 1 time every death without dieing...if u use up your ki and untrans its your fault and u should have to hide to trans again..

In my opinion.. it's kind fo hard to miss a beam.. but in some cases you're right. There have been times where I hid behind a mountain and transformed assuming I was safe then BAM, I'm dead, but there's nothing wrong with that. It just means you need to be a bit more perceptive. It sucks I know, but part of playing ESF is to be alert at all times. Same deal when I'm trying to fight someone 1v1, I still make sure to keep an eye on the beamspammer that's watching us like a vulture. You know once you get out of adv.melee he's going to let that beam rip, so I always try to make sure I have enough Ki for 1-2 teleports so i can avoid the beam. Yes, it almost always works and it's possible to avoid those beams unless your opponent is 4 times stronger than you, the beam explosion envelops the entire map, and makes baby jesus cry.

 

[SSJ Shin Carl]

If they took out beam detonations then we really wouldn't have to worry about beamspam. We would have to be worried about dodging the beam.

 

[Sonic the Vampire]

And if they took out detonations no one would use beams again unless they felt like getting hurt. Detonations stay in until wave damage comes into play, if it ever does.