The Truth--

[VideoJinx]

So, finally after searching for so long.. I believe I've found the truth.

Ive danced around it, on it, to it, and away from it. Yet, today I believe the truth has made itself profoundly clear to me.

And yes, as usuall this is a video, but I wouldn't be so quick to mock or scrap anything in the video. Its something I wanted to share with you.


The truth to me, is God, and the information in the Bible, which I realize that I've neglected to completely read and draw my own conclusion.

I prey to you all in love, and I'm glad to know that from today on I have more then enough will and inspiration to change for the better.

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-ps Please notice the words under my signature.

 

[Spunky]

For **** sake, video thread.

 

[Kaination]

Video thread.

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Okay, well, I think personally whatever you believe in is your business. Personally, I don't believe in a Heaven or Hell. What I do believe in is when you die, it's exactly the same as before you were born.

Just nothing.

That's my counter arguement. If I go to hell, well, I screwed up my life didn't I?

Personally, I like to live my life with human morals, not because some huge being in the sky told me to.

This forum actually helped me influence my opinion a lot more to where I can stand my ground in an arguement.

As for the old guy. Well, there's nothing much. It could be he saw it in a dream. He could be telling the truth. He could be lying for attention, only he knows.

Personally I think he was just dreaming and had a good dream which turned into a nightmare.

 

[VideoJinx]

Video thread.

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Okay, well, I think personally whatever you believe in is your business. Personally, I don't believe in a Heaven or Hell. What I do believe in is when you die, it's exactly the same as before you were born.

Just nothing.

That's my counter arguement. If I go to hell, well, I screwed up my life didn't I?

Personally, I like to live my life with human morals, not because some huge being in the sky told me to.

This forum actually helped me influence my opinion a lot more to where I can stand my ground in an arguement.

As for the old guy. Well, there's nothing much. It could be he saw it in a dream. He could be telling the truth. He could be lying for attention, only he knows.

Personally I think he was just dreaming and had a good dream which turned into a nightmare.

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What do you think about this?

 

[Spunky]

Another video with ratings disabled. That's all I need to know about the guy. He sounds like your typical pseudo-intellectual YouTube moron trying to impress people.

 

[VideoJinx]

Another video with ratings disabled. That's all I need to know about the guy.

That's pretty shallow, maybe try listening to what he has to say then give some feedback.

 

[Spunky]

I edited my post before you posted.

 

[Kaination]

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What do you think about this?

Well, I can't say there was a start of time. There's just theories floating around. Theories about how time and everything was created. One of the theories is the Big Bang theory. Another one is the God theory.

Now, I have a question for you in regards to his logic.

What was there before the time of God? I mean surely there was a time before God, or how was God created? If you say, "God has always been there", then why can't I say the same thing about time and space?

 

[VideoJinx]

Now, I have a question for you in regards to his logic.

What was there before the time of God? I mean surely there was a time before God, or how was God created?

I believe time itself is a creation, there is no "Time of God" because God isn't bound by time. Before the finite creation, "time" there is "infinite" and after the finite creation there is infinite. I think of it sort of like a number line, you can go infinitely up or infinitely down from a finite number.

If you say, "God has always been there", then why can't I say the same thing about time and space?

You can say whatever you'd like about time and space, although everything in the world does seem to have a beginning and an end. A rock forms then fades a way,People are born then they die, etc etc.

And to remind you of his logic which I also agree with, "If i promise to give you a chocolate bar after* an infinite amount of time would I ever give you the chocolate bar?" Meaning, if time has always existed then you wouldn't be doing what your doing now

 

[Damaera]

http://forum.esforces.com/showthread.php?t=59141 - Official Video Thread.

 

[Kaination]

You can say whatever you'd like about time and space, although everything in the world does seem to have a beginning and an end. A rock forms then fades a way,People are born then they die, etc etc.

Then that means God had a beginning, right? But then it brings me back to the question; What was before God?

Therefore, something had to of made God. But then what made that thing that created God?

So the only logical solution is that God has always been there.

So now I can easily and just as logically say the Universe has always been there.

 

[sub]

Jinx, a few months ago you proclaimed that you finally discovered the truth, I believe you stated "The bible is straight bs." Now once again you claim that you've found the truth, except this time you've completely reversed your opinions. Don't get me wrong, changing opinion is fine, but if you're going to attempt to convert others, remember that just a few months ago you were on the otherside of the fence claiming without a doubt to know the truth.

The man in the first video offered up nothing to convince me that god exists. The main point of the video was that everything changes but god/religion, and that because of this, religion will be the only source of security. I'm not personally looking for security, I'm looking for knowledge. It's going to take more to convince me to believe in god than someone promising a vague sense of security.

As for him witnessing heaven / hell, from what I can gather, he was dead for a period of time and was revived by the hospital. This would mean that his brain went without oxygen for a bit which is a plausible reason for a hallucination.

As for the second video, it was far more interesting. He managed to put into words one logical reason to be a believer in god. I still remain unconvinced in the belief of a god, however I appreciate the fact that it wasn't him saying the only way I can save my eternal soul is to accept jesus.

Personally, i'm an agnostic. If you asked me if I believed in god, I would tell you no, but I'm open to the possibility. We simply don't know for sure.

 

[L]

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What do you think about this?

"I believe the earth and universe are six thousand years old because the Bible, a written book of man, tells me it's six thousand years old. Now I'll tell you something and deal in absolutes, like the way the Bible was written. I'm telling you what to think and believe because It's how I had read from the source of my beliefs."
Religions are tricky, that's what I think about the video and his subject.

 

[Barney]

I don't know what you're trying to prove Jinx, but why can't you just keep your beliefs to yourself? You know this is going to happen, people on the internet, no offense guys, are probably never going to agree with what you have to say if they have different beliefs. It's useless to do things like this.

Now I do believe in God and am a pretty religious person when it come to Judaism, but I don't post loads of videos about my views. I just enjoy the forums as they were meant to be. Honestly you're just ridiculing yourself with videos of 15 year olds who think they've figured out life. And posting videos about a vision an old man had in death is also ridiculous because what he said is probably not true, and being a Christian himself, or so it seemed, he is completely biased. Stop trying to be a crusader.

 

[DJ-Ready]

We need to have a long talk on msn dude ...

 

[Kama]

I disregard the first video, because the man is dying, his mind could be playing tricks on him. It could have just been a dream like stated before. My aunt died of cancer and she always saw cats around her, which was a side effect of her illness, not because she was seeing the divine.

As far as the second video goes, it's a very intresting point. Taking everything he has an holding it as true, still doesn't prove that anything in the bible it real. All it proves is that something did create us. So I don't get why he seems so confident that the heaven and hell exist now simply because we somehow started.

And even then, the main argument is that we are only human. Maybe time is infinite. Our minds are not capable of grasping the concept of that. We aren't advanced enough to ponder on something such as infinity. Everything we've ever known has a start and an end, we are born and we die. Such is human life. So time could very well be infinite, and we just don't truly understand what infinite means.

 

[vahn9]

that old man i couldn't understand him so i turned it off and the other guy sounds like an ******* jinx no disrespect to you at all or in anyway but i gotta ask this why do you post these kinds of videos lol i didin't see anyone get hit by car or anything in them a way to spice up that first video of the old man dying would be to get him a table dance and the second guy a car should just crash into his house and take him out those would be some classics

but really i just don't like those kinds of videos i find them boring they don't make me think about anything because when anyone ever brings up religion i always noticed that some people will always think your going to hell because you have some other religion they see you as wrong and that there right when in all honest i think no ones right on religion and also usually people who try to convert you are a-holes because they judge right away and say im trying to save you from hell.

when in reality all the religions having to deal with god say only god can judge you so then how can those people tell me im going to tell if there not god thats very confusing also people like to use the bible and interpret it in what they believe it says so if you want to believe something means one thing and it means another. Those people will just argue that since they interpreted something one way there way is right and everyone else is wrong because they seen that special message for them.

whatever this is getting long and i could actually keep going but im not bye

 

[VideoJinx]

Originally Posted by VideoJinx
You can say whatever you'd like about time and space, although everything in the world does seem to have a beginning and an end. A rock forms then fades a way,People are born then they die, etc etc.

Then that means God had a beginning, right? But then it brings me back to the question;[/b]

Therefore, something had to of made God. But then what made that thing that created God?

So the only logical solution is that God has always been there.

So now I can easily and just as logically say the Universe has always been there.

My belief:
Time a "limited/finite" creation, hasn't always existed. God isn't limited nor bound by time, which has a start and an ending.

What was before God?

If your in the middle of an infinite swimming pool, will you ever reach 1 side or another? Nope, because its infinite.. it has no edge/boundary nor beginning or end.

 

[The Deco]

OK guys, I can see most of you are atheists so ill speak out loud. For any Christians that read this, a real believing Christians, be open minded! it will help.

Look im not trying to convert your religion, just listen to me.

First Christianity, Islam, all except the east side of the world religions are BASED on the Judaism. Judaism is probably the first of all religions, which some people say co-existed with the east world religions.

Now ill tell you the truth - Christianity and Islam (Especially Christianity) misses a lot of information that the Jews have, mostly because they copied it.

Now theres a high chance that Jesus is a fiction or a deception - why?

Probably because someone want to rule people by controlling their religions OR envy at the Jews that had a religion and they were Pagans before Christianity. Also the Judaism and the east world religions don't force people to convert to their religion - for example: to convert to Judaism you need to study a lot! And prove yourself worthy and serious of your actions. All the crusades and the Jihad's goal were to force people to their religion (Both of this religions bend their own rules to gain materialistic stuff!), to gain power and land - not the ways of the pure honest religion, although they proclaim it was a "must" for some reasons..

Now if I were a Christian I'd probably questioned my religion as well.

I'm actually a Jew and like Christianity we got our religions leaders (Rabbis) that some of them lost their way and some of them are really open minded believing in God.

Now for the popular sentence "I'm following human morals because I want to be a good person, not because I dont want to go to hell"


First - Hell is a temporary place for sin souls by the Judaism, then after some time they go up to heaven after they atonement for their sins.

Second - Judaism got 613 commandment (if im not mistaken) while I think Christianity has 13 or something around that.

Now look - God didn't do the 613 commandment just because he felt like it, they are guides for life for people who don't know what to do/how to be a better person. As well they are all a motivation for being a better person BUT the goal of it is to help people be a better person! Look at the bible or the Tanakh(The original and real version of the bible, Judaism of course) - Its full of fables (I think its the correct word) which some are fictional stories and some are a documentation of real happened events (Note: Some stories are told twice with a different perception) which are as well a guide for life!

Lets see what other topics can I add? Well I can't remember anything but guys - if you have some more topic questions you want to ask me, do it! im really looking for it!

Oh and about god existence, I have no clue - BUT I do know one thing.

In all cases you get a paradox:
- If god isn't real then how did all the materials that formed earth and the universe come from?
- If god is real, how was he created? And if himself was created by material, how did that material was created?

For any help/questions you can reply here, PM me what ever you want!

Oh and yeah, GO BARNEY(the forum member)

 

[Skiwan]

I question my existence therefore I exist. This is the only proof of existence. Everything else in this world could all be part of my imagination, therefore people trying to explain a belief to me always appear flawed, because I'm not letting something that could just be a figment of my imagination govern my way of life or beliefs. I'll develop my own beliefs, and I'll be happy keeping them to myself, because in the end, I'm the only one benefiting from them.

First guy; nothing I hadn't thought about before
2nd guy; his questions were looking towards proving the existence of some greater being. They were not open questions, and he gave us parameters to answer with which he had no right to define.

Don't be so arrogant to tell us you know the "truth". It's really not a great way to get people to listen to you with an open mind.